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Offline nophead

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« Reply #390 on: December 15, 2020 »
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The report was from Nick Triggle, the best health journalist the BBC has in my opinion. He said they just managed to vaccinate all the over 65s for flu in two months, so three months was not unreasonable for Covid, as it takes two doses.

We do our best to avoid catching it, but unless we stay at home and do nothing there is some risk we will catch it when dining / drinking out. Then there is some risk it will kill us but we know it is less than the risk we will drop dead of something else in the next year, so we don't stay at home, as that would be stupid.

I wouldn't blame anybody else because we manage our own risk in life and don't rely on a nanny state to look after us. The government is not acting in the interests of the healthy majority.

It is out of control worldwide because they only way to control it is for everybody to stay at home until they get vaccinated and then the economy doesn't work.

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« Reply #391 on: December 16, 2020 »
So this Nick Triggle knows upto the last minute how many people are alive in all the age groups, I doubt the Government know those figures.

I guess what you are saying is you are not going to change what you want to do even if because of your mixing you could contract the virus, have no symptoms but pass it on to others, because you could drop dead at any time, "and I was accused of having my glass half empty"

You then go on to say you don't rely on the nanny state to look after you and the Government should only look after the healthy, so they should not waste money on a National Health Service, but invest in Funeral Directors, so they can bury the healthy and make a lot more money, to spend on the healthy of course.

Your words, the virus is out of control worldwide, the main reason is because people will not stay at home, that's why Governments are now enforcing lockdowns.

How do you think the world's economies would look if they did not do this, I think you or myself have no idea the figures they are dealing with and the consequences if they don't act, let alone the terrible death toll.

None of us rely like being told what to do, but for the sake of our family, friends and people we don't know we all have to act more responsibly to stop this virus spreading.

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« Reply #392 on: December 16, 2020 »
If governments did nothing the death toll would be about 1%, which is the same as die every year anyway, and many would have been the same people. The only effect on the economy would have been undertakers would have got a big boost for one year and care homes would have lost a lot of clients. So far it has killed about 0.1% but over the winter it is expected to kill another 0.1%. See https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-kingdom?view=total-deaths&tab=trend.

Nick based his assertion on the fact they have already vaccinated all the over 65s for flu in two months this year. He doesn't need to know how many there are but demographic information is not hard to find. See his article here https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55280701. Click on his name to see all the other reasoned reports about covid.

No we don't stay at home, particularly when encouraged to go out to dine funded by the UK government and encouraged to come to Tenerife by the Canarian government. I would only stay at home if it was illegal to go out or I felt it was unsafe.

There are only 14 active cases in the whole of the Santiago del Teidi region. Very unlikely to meet somebody with it but is certainly possible, just as the volcano might blow. There are probably about the same number of road deaths plus drownings in Tenerife as there are deaths from Covid.

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« Reply #393 on: December 16, 2020 »
Nophead, youíre at it again! This man you quote states over 65ís have all been injected against flu - wrong! In our surgery alone and certainly throughout Dorset, people are still being encouraged to get the flu vaccine because of the low percentage take up so far. You talk as if Tenerife  is as big as UK, but because it is so small in mileage and you can cover north to south in a very short time, loads of people living in Santa Cruz head for the warmer weather in the west and south of the island most weekends, thus bringing the virus with them. Go to Alcala, walk round the back of the huge hotel and count the number of motor homes full of Spanish people, every weekend, and then look where they eat. Try and park in the car park, itís full of motor homes every weekend. They were moved from parking on the Varadero to Alcala Walk when the path was improved some years ago. Ditto El Puertito. If you live in high rise in Santa Cruz then it is most attractive to leave 4pm Friday afternoon and spend the weekend in Santiago and Guia and drive back up late Sunday night. Many people also have holiday flats round our area and commute daily or weekly. So the virus is transmitted far easier than say driving from Glasgow to Cornwall. You

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« Reply #394 on: December 16, 2020 »
Well the vaccine isn't compulsory, so of course they won't get all the over 65s, but it only matters that the ones that want it get it. If the others die that is their problem, not the government's.

Yes of course people from the north travel here, we keep our distance from the natives.

We minimise our risk by eating outside or in places that are nearly empty with plenty of ventilation. We shop in SuperDino that has hardly any customers or in Lidl late at night when it is empty.

So we make good use of our freedom while we have it

My point was that even if everybody sticks to the Tenerife rules the numbers will still rise. They are similar to Tier 1 rules in the UK. Numbers still rise in Tier 2 and perhaps fall slowly in Tier 3 but only fall rapidly after a few weeks of lockdown.

How could they possible fall here when we can socialise in groups of four? We only have four friends that have managed to get here but they have around four friends each and so on. So even though we are in a fairly small social bubble it is a lot of people, so if one of us got it they are bound to infect more than one other. So the R value must be above as locals will be much more connected.


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« Reply #395 on: December 17, 2020 »
An update on my message re. PCR tests.  After further Googling I discovered this on the UK Gov site.....

"From 10 December, a TMA (Transcription-Mediated Amplification) swab test or a LAMP (Loop-Mediated Isothermal Amplification) test are also accepted by Spanish authorities, again taken within no more than 72 hours prior to arrival".

That certainly makes things easier because it reduces the wait time 42 hours to 90 minutes.  Just a pity Tenerife has now closed its borders to tourists, hopefully only for two weeks.

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« Reply #396 on: December 17, 2020 »
Yes but Tenerife does not have the power to control its borders, that is for the national government of Spain, as was shown a few days ago when they overruled Tenerife allowing antigen tests for entry, so I have no idea what is going on.

The Canarian government site is self contradictory if Google translate is accurate. https://www3.gobiernodecanarias.org/noticias/el-gobierno-de-canarias-acuerda-limitar-la-entrada-y-salida-de-personas-de-tenerife/

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In the case of national and foreign tourists who plan to come to the island of Tenerife on vacation, they can avail themselves of the exceptionalities contemplated by the current regulations on the right of admission in tourist accommodation establishments, where a negative health test must be presented that accredit being free of coronavirus.

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The entry and exit of people to the island of Tenerife is restricted from midnight on December 18 (Friday) to January 1, 2021 and it is also recommended to avoid mobility between its municipalities. The restriction applied to Tenerife will apply except for those adequately justified trips that occur for any of the following reasons contemplated in article 6 of Royal Decree-Law 926/2020, of October 25, the rule that declares the state of alarm in the country to contain the spread of infections caused by SARS-CoV-2:

Assistance to health centers, services and establishments.
Compliance with labor, professional, business, institutional or legal obligations.
Attendance at university, teaching and educational centers, including nursery schools.
Return to the place of habitual or family residence.
Assistance and care for the elderly, minors, dependents, people with disabilities or especially vulnerable people.
Travel to financial and insurance entities, or to refueling stations in neighboring territories.
Required or urgent actions before public, judicial or notarial bodies.
Renewals of permits and official documentation, as well as other administrative procedures that cannot be postponed.
Taking official exams or tests that cannot be postponed.
Due to force majeure or situation of need.
Any other activity of a similar nature, duly accredited.

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« Reply #397 on: December 17, 2020 »
Speaking to a local, he said the Canarian Government can increase boarder restrictions but not reduce them.

However it appears tourists can still enter with a PCR test but locals are blocked.

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« Reply #398 on: December 22, 2020 »
We will not now be out on the 7th Jan.
I am thinking that this new strain may be a blessing. They say it is not as deadly as previous, but 70% more transmittable. So yes there will be deaths, but if we all or most of the population get it quickly. We should develop this herd immunity they talk about. Should be a lot quicker than waiting for the vaccine !

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« Reply #399 on: December 22, 2020 »

I am thinking that this new strain may be a blessing. They say it is not as deadly as previous, but 70% more transmittable. So yes there will be deaths, but if we all or most of the population get it quickly. We should develop this herd immunity they talk about. Should be a lot quicker than waiting for the vaccine !

That's exactly what I thought especially if its mutated to be less deadly as suggested when it mutates.

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« Reply #400 on: January 26, 2021 »
A sad day today as the UK passes the 100,000 Covid Death count.
I remember Prof Neil Ferguson saying last year at the beginning of the Lock down that Deaths could be as high as 150,000, and he was ridiculed as being an over the top alarmist. Seems he could be right!