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State of Alarm
« on: June 11, 2020 »
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From the Canarian Weekly. Canaries President Torres has said all the Canary Islands COULD exit the State Of Alarm on Monday, possibility of an announcement this afternoon. No further details of what this could mean to the tourist industry.

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« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2020 »
Not sure it makes much difference because they have legislated for the new normal when the state of alarm ends that maintains masks and social distancing until either a vaccine or a cure are available.

I think I would rather stay at home or perhaps go to Sweden to escape this madness.

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« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2020 »
Nophead - Today Sweden has over 48,000 reported cases with over 35,000 active cases. A huge spike over last couple of days recorded. But you would rather go there than here, where there are hardly any cases, because you don’t want to social distance or use a mask when necessary????. Your logic escapes me!

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« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2020 »
I know the chance of it killing me, if I was unlucky enough to catch it, is the same chance I will die in a year of something else. Why would I spend a year in hiding?

Why would any government ruin the economy for 99% of people to extend the lives of the 1% old and unfit?

In the Canaries it has killed 161 people out of 2m in 3 months while about 5000 people will have died of something else. Why would they ruin their tourism industry for such a tiny problem?

At home I can't have friends and family in my house but I can have a cleaner or a guy attempting to fix my broadband.

The lock down never had an exit plan and we can see it just continues under a new name. Nothing has changed. In China they had a new case in Beijing after 2 months of none. So it is never going away.

This is the is the logic that escapes me. It is a completely over the top reaction.

What they should have done is just tell the vulnerable to go into hiding and let the rest go about their business. By now the fit population would have achieved herd immunity and the problem would be over without any significant loss to the economy or reduction in freedoms for most of the population. Not my opinion but that of multiple experts in the field. They are the logical people, that seem to be few and far between.

How did we get to be such a risk averse, frightened, unfit population?

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« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2020 »
It could be worse

Were you a member of the scouts when you were young


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« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2020 »
No, briefly went to cubs but gave it up, can't remember why. What has that got to do with the price of fish?

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« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2020 »
Because thugs want to remove Baden Powell tribute statue!

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« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2020 »
Yes but that is another thread, what has it got to do with the state of alarm and the ending of it to be replaced with the new normal that is only 0.5m different?

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« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2020 »
Not moving to new normal yet staying in phase 3

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« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2020 »
Re: Another state of alarm!!!
I don't yet consider my self old, well maybe older now than the average, except when in LG.
But just having a recent birthday while in Lockdown. I googled the average mortality rate for an individual
like my self and...…………………………..
If I live that long I have only...……………………….
1092 Weekends left!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :'(
Put like this    it's not much really - is it!

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« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2020 »
Yes if you only count weekends it is not great, that is why I retired early. The idea was to enjoy life while still fit and healthy. One of the reasons I really resent the lockdown because it looks like this year is a write off.

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« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2020 »
For those that have died it will be a permanent write off, including the brave NHS staff, think yourself bloody lucky & they did not moan about the lockdown.

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« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2020 »
Is it logical to waste a year of everybody's life and ruin the economy for a generation to extend the lives of 1% by an average of 1 year?

How many of the people hiding away simply die of old age having wasted the last year of their life? Far more than actually die of Covid19 because around 1600 die each day in the UK, most of them old or sick.  1% of all people die a year versus 1% of people who catch Covid19.

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« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2020 »
Percentages,Percentages & graphs you should of carried on working you might of been more interesting, not everybody who were unfortunate to catch coronavirus were old & I repeat try telling young people who have lost their lives trying to help others about your percentages & graphs & I would imagine they would tell you to stick them where the sun does not shine.

I imagine you are going to give us some percentages & graphs about black people next ? get a life & turn your computer OFF.

We might then get some posts about Tenerife, you know that holiday place that people visit & love, but be careful OLD people go there as well.

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« Reply #14 on: June 16, 2020 »
Yes maths and logic, that is how I try to make decisions. Not listening to sensationalist figures with no context. No more people have died in the UK health service from Covid than have died in the general population from Covid.

An yes some young people have died, but in such small numbers it is not even detectable in the total mortality figures of the under 45s. The mast majority of young people died from something else.

The health service stopped treating cancer and other diseases that kill far more people per year, so the knock on effect of that will probably kill more people than Covid. 

They are still publishing daily death figures for Covid in two digits and saying how it is terrible but never mention the other 1600 people that died and what they died of to show some context because then it wouldn't look like a big problem worth stopping normal life for.

It should be a personal decision if you want to live normally, socialise, shake hands with people, go the bars and restaurants. There are plenty of young people willing to take the very slight risk and that would keep places open and keep the economy going.

Those that view the risk as unacceptable should stay at home but they shouldn't be able to force everybody else to do the same.

I would love to be in Tenerife for the winter, have flights booked, but I don't want to wear a mask on the streets or sit 1.5m away from my friends in a bar or restaurant and I worry how many places we like will still be open. And I won't come if I have to spend two weeks each end in quarantine when I can only be there for 90 days. So I hope the world has come to its senses by then but it is not looking likely.

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« Reply #15 on: June 16, 2020 »
Why should those that are willing to take a risk put the lives of those that would have to look after them in danger ? I shouldn't think they would be happy to sign disclaimer to say that they were happy to take the risk they'd be just as happy to forego any treatment should they contact the virus. Would you ?
 

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« Reply #16 on: June 16, 2020 »
Yes I would be happy to do that, with perhaps a small refund from my national insurance contributions.

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« Reply #17 on: June 16, 2020 »
nophead, get your head from up your arse & start living in the REAL world

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« Reply #18 on: June 16, 2020 »
There has been a load of errors here in the UK with regards to the virus approach!
First no reaction, leaving air routes open to China and Italy, don't need masks (this was because we had no PPE here in UK). And then the opposite an over reaction, 9 million furloughed till OCTOBER. Absolutly crazy.
They will in the vast majority have no jobs to return too.
My son and daughter finished their masters in 2008 and 2010, there was no careers available due to the financial crash. It was a very demoralising time for them and their peers. And I fear this time it will be an awful lot worse! Am pleased to say my kids have now established careers, but not in what they studied in,
Law and Town Planning!
I think every body under the age of 40, should not have been furloughed, and let free to continue to work.
Schools should have been kept open, with retired teachers and volunteers standing in for the lazy, lefty teachers.

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« Reply #19 on: June 16, 2020 »
 N0bhead and unhinged , you two are never going to agree on anything really are you ?
  So l have come up with a way for you two , to sort out your differences .
  Instead of boring everyone on this forum with your dark and miserable rhetoric ,
  May I suggest  You meet up early one morning maybe on the beach, or somewhere else nice and quiet!
  and have what grown up men call a straightener, and sort things out amongst yourselves
  This may stop you from behaving like a couple of old women, but alas I think that ship sailed many ,many
  years ago .. 
   Ah well we can but hope,

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« Reply #20 on: June 17, 2020 »
We have found another IDIOT to replace Georgie

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« Reply #21 on: June 17, 2020 »
sangriaman       "and have what grown up men call a straightener, and sort things out amongst yourselves
  This may stop you from behaving like a couple of old women,"

sexist.   as you have noticed women are absent in the main from all this wittering.

we women would have had this whole debacle sorted back in march.  the best world leaders dealing with covid are the women.  the men have faffed.

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« Reply #22 on: June 17, 2020 »
 You make a good point Janey, and I suppose the term ( old women) could be thought of as a compliment for this pair of gas bags . But you must admit that old unhinged and his sparring partner n0bhead do post some 24 carat  Bullcrap. unhinged redefines the word pompous and n0bhead could put a glass eye to sleep with his graphs and statistics,

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« Reply #23 on: June 17, 2020 »
Not sure how anybody could have sorted it March as there were already thousands of people in the UK with it, they just didn't know it. They would have and to close the borders in Jan and tested the entire population.

No country has sorted it and gone back to normal life. It kicked off again in China after 2 months of no cases. And it trickles on in the Canaries at about 2 cases per day, halving about every month with an exponential decay. It could die out entirely if nothing changed for three or four months but you never know unless you test everybody because 70-80% have no symptoms.

The only solution is a vaccine but unfortunately that takes too long to develop and test for the economy to survive, or herd immunity which would have saved the economy and we would be back to normal life. Or test and isolate everybody but no country has the capacity to do that.

But there doesn't seem to be room for rational thought in this forum. Just throwing insults at people instead.

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« Reply #24 on: June 17, 2020 »
But there doesn't seem to be room for rational thought in this forum. Just throwing insults at people instead.

NOPHEAD - you’ve missed the point entirely. There is plenty of room for rational thought, from many members who have given me invaluable advice over some twenty years. What there really isn’t room or patience for is endless carping on about what SHOULD have been done, what COULD have been done, what YOU would have done. Give us a break for heaven’s sake!!

Free speech yes - endless theories that can now never been proved really don’t help any of us. We’ve all coped with the virus as best each of us can, we’ve been very very fortunate to have survived (I’m well aware so many havent) and the powers that be have dealt with it not maliciously, not in ignorance, but without having any experience of this new virus and having to think on their feet whilst trying to save loss of life. I couldn’t have managed it any better, so I’m very very grateful to SPAIN for their handling of it and I wish Boris could have had more time to recover as he looks to me still quite poorly. Remember even heads of state are HUMAN BEINGS.

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« Reply #25 on: June 17, 2020 »
I was replying to Janey's assertion that  "women would have had this whole debacle sorted back in march".

It was already in the UK in January and possibly in December, it was definitely in France then. I may have even had it myself in the second week of Jan in Tenerife. I had a persistent dry cough without the normal runny nose cold symptoms. I think I caught that from a woman sitting in front on me in a shared taxi from TFS. She was coughing and I remember thinking great, I could have sat much further away because it was a mini bus with only four of us in it.

Covid wasn't a thing back then, so I just assumed it was just a random virus because I have never had a cold like that before. Which it could have been, because most people tested are negative and they are mainly tested when they have symptoms.

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« Reply #26 on: June 17, 2020 »
Thank goodness Angie at last some common sense.
This virus has caused untold stress to lots of people on different levels, and the constant carping and backbiting on social media, news programs  and the press has done nothing to help at all, and has been frankly depressing.
With hindsight maybe things could have been done differently, but the situation was completely new and  the government needed advice so they turned quite rightly to the top medical brains in the country. Despite that it now appears that Kevin from Grimsby knew better and is still giving us the benefit of his vast knowledge at every opportunity,
From the beginning the aim was always to try and ensure that our wonderful NHS wasn’t overwhelmed and that was achieved. I personally find it insulting to all the people who have put their own lives at risk To be dismissed as just numbers and figures in a graph, and I can’t help but think that the opinions on here may have been different if their family members had caught it and subsequently passed away.


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« Reply #27 on: June 17, 2020 »
Great post Angie. I'm grateful that I've now found a much better site than this on for following what's going on in Los Gigantes. Same old half dozen or so  posting, it's got s boring. If you want to find out whats's going on in the area this is the last place to look. 

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« Reply #28 on: June 17, 2020 »
Is there a better site and if so can I have the link please

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« Reply #29 on: June 17, 2020 »
Well Ladies, without being patronising, thank you for bringing a sense intelligence to the site.

Unlike certain people who have posted, one a newcomer who has insulted people since he started posting, the other who thinks statistics & graphs prove you a just going to die anyway, it does not matter if you are trying your best in the NHS, a care home or you have lost someone with this terrible virus

All I will say is after spending 4 months in Tenerife due to airlines cancelling our flights & going through the Spanish LOCKDOWN & then returning home to the UK on the 2nd of May & seeing what the British Government called a "lockdown", I feel I have a little more knowledge than the other 2, which was the better option ?, although difficult at the time Spain got it right & the UK got it wrong & we are still getting it wrong.