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Offline White Rose

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Social distancing
« on: May 18, 2020 »
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Is  the actual distance in social distancing not  the same in Tenerife as in the UK? Every  day I have viewed Eddie and Hollie's videos of what it has been like in lockdown and am most  surprised how closely they  are sitting next to the  Chicken Shack owner. I know  he is a good friend but obviously not the same household. So  that's  why I ask as I understood any businesses that opened  had to limit the number of customers  because  of social distancing  rules.

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Re: Social distancing
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2020 »
I think in Spain you can go to a restaurant in a group of up to 10 friends and sit at the same table. On the other hand if you go for a walk you are restricted to time slots and range. So no not the same as the UK at all.

The restrictions in Spain have always seemed illogical to me and then they criticise the UK, where they make a bit more sense.

Here you can only meet one friend outside at 2 metres, which is mad because you can meet any number of strangers at 2m when walking down the road, shopping in a supermarket or receiving a delivery.
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Offline Georgie

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Re: Social distancing
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2020 »
Any news on how this is achieved on a flight please

Offline White Rose

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Re: Social distancing
« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2020 »
Thanks nophead. I just thought  it very odd that after such a strict lockdown it was not thought  to be a problem  mingling  so closely. 
Hoping against hope uthe  village is fully open for our usual  December  visit.

Offline Georgie

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Re: Social distancing
« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2020 »
Can't wait to return

Have not been in los gigantes for a year after going to the north of the island in march which we did not really like

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Re: Social distancing
« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2020 »
Any news on how this is achieved on a flight please


Offline Georgie

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Re: Social distancing
« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2020 »
Excellent

Offline nophead

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Re: Social distancing
« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2020 »
Unfortunately 2m social distancing on public transport means about 10% occupancy, which is not economically viable.

In the UK the government's solution is for doctors to prescribe we all travel by bike.

In other countries they insist of face masks instead as a placebo but we don't have enough of those in the UK.

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Re: Social distancing
« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2020 »
What’s this nophead, no face masks? Maybe those idiots who hoarded all the toilet rolls have got them all .
What do you think ?

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Re: Social distancing
« Reply #9 on: May 19, 2020 »
I think, I may have said before that the Canaries could suffer as it is a 4 hr flight! A long time to social distance and no drinks or food and ticket system for toilet. I hope not, but I see fear in some people when out now, others of course don't seem to have a clue? guess you will always get those.
A new common sense approach, with sadly 65 year olds maybe being more cautious. But generally people being in charge and responsible for their and their loved ones, and acting as they think best.

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« Reply #10 on: May 20, 2020 »
The problem in the UK is that the NHS and the care homes can't get PPE from the government fast enough, so the government won't recommend the public wearing proper masks although they have started saying cover your face with any old rag if you can't social distance.

However I could buy one hundred triple ply surgical masks from an office supplier that I dealt with when I had my own business. Probably too expensive for the care homes because of the rate they use them as they were about £1 each. Although another supplier has since offered them at half the price. They look the real deal but from China, so who knows.

I don't think they do a lot but other countries use them to make transport seem safe after scaring the sh1t out of their populations to make them social distance. Now they have run out of money and have to get people back to work. So to undo the fear they say use masks when you can't keep 2m apart. Here they just say stay 2m apart even on public transport, which is totally impractical. I expect when they finally sort out getting enough PPE they will suddenly recommend proper masks.

To be 100% safe on a flight you would need to wear a full hasmat suite with its oxygen supply or wait for a vaccine. I will just take my chances if we are allowed in because I don't have any known predisposition to dying from it apart from being male. So catching it about as dangerous as living another year. Problem is the governments banning everything I would do for about a year means this year of life is wasted, so I have to live a year longer. So just as much risk from their policy as catching it.

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« Reply #11 on: May 20, 2020 »
Interesting forum software you have here. It replaces the common term for excrement with "I am an idiot".

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« Reply #12 on: May 20, 2020 »
Council run care homes should be entitled to get PPE from the government, private care homes charge hundreds of pounds a month and should as part of their care package provide their own.
Thousands of people in the uk are being paid to stay at home, yet moan constantly about everything, and it seems that Kevin from Grimsby knows better than anyone what should be done, could have been done and how it’s all been done wrong. 

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« Reply #13 on: May 20, 2020 »
White Rose,
  Seems I got totally the wrong end of the stick about the rules. Although you can socialise in groups of up to 10 you still have to remain 2m apart from those not in your household. So the video you linked seems to be breaking the rules, which is surprising as Hollie and Eddie always seem to support the lockdown and stick to the rules.

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« Reply #14 on: May 20, 2020 »
Sorry but even the scientists don't know what is going on so you can't blame the government

No one knows and it is newspaper driven

Offline White Rose

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« Reply #15 on: May 20, 2020 »
nophead, that is exactly what I meant.  After watching Eddie and Hollie's  Youtube videos and how they  had strictly  adhered to lockdown it really did surprise me how closely  they  were all sat.  If Steve and his other customer mingle so closely then covid could be spread among them. 

I believe there is a new ruling that masks have to be worn all the time outdoors from tomorrow too.


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« Reply #16 on: May 20, 2020 »
Yes they could theoretically catch it from Steve but as everybody has been in lock down for two months and the number of cases in the Santiago Del Teidi region was only around a dozen and new cases in the Canaries only about 6 a day the chances are minute.

Not sure how one can eat chicken and chips or drink in a mask.

Unless people are accepting of risk I don't think we will have any social life or holidays for a couple of years.

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Re: Social distancing
« Reply #17 on: May 22, 2020 »
Yes they could theoretically catch it from Steve but as everybody has been in lock down for two months and the number of cases in the Santiago Del Teidi region was only around a dozen and new cases in the Canaries only about 6 a day the chances are minute.

Not sure how one can eat chicken and chips or drink in a mask.

Unless people are accepting of risk I don't think we will have any social life or holidays for a couple of years.

i agree with nophead. why not swabtest everyone before they board an aircraft? anyone with symptoms not allowed on. no symptoms you can travel.  of course, everyone would have to accept this condition when they book their flights but at least it would let folk travel confidently.  and, very little covid in tenerife so chances of catching it (or spreading it unknowingly) would be at a bare minimum whilst you are in your destination.  its too simple...... maybe i have missed something?

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« Reply #18 on: May 22, 2020 »
Perhaps self isolate for a day or two on arrival and then a second swap test to be absolutely sure because I think you can have just caught it but not be detectable straight away.

It would need the new type of swap test that gives immediate results without lab analysis.

Or just move all the vulnerable people to one of the smaller islands.

Offline Mary

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« Reply #19 on: May 22, 2020 »
Apparently some people have no symptoms themselves, but are carriers so a swab wouldn’t work

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« Reply #20 on: May 22, 2020 »
Not sure that having no symptoms would mean a negative swab test. I think it you have an infection that you can spread to others you would test positive with a swab test. Of course no tests are 100% accurate.

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Re: Social distancing
« Reply #21 on: May 22, 2020 »
So booking speedy boarding is out of the question then xx

Offline Mary

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« Reply #22 on: May 22, 2020 »
I’m not sure either nophead, but I do know they get false positives as well as false negatives, so before they are confident of any preboarding test it would have to be accurate, and as it’s unlikely you will get travel insurance, not sure how many would risk it. Then what would happen if a familty of say six were going and one tested positive, would everybody be refused boarding?

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« Reply #23 on: May 22, 2020 »
I don't think there will ever be a 100% accurate test. There can always be operator error, not sticking it far enough up the nose, etc.

Holidays from the UK to Spain are scuppered by the 14 day quarantine each end. Working people come for two weeks and even retired people like myself can only stay 90 days now. I am not prepared to spend 28 days house arrest for 90 days in my apartment, so it is a total loss now. I have gone from thinking buying it was the best thing we ever did to the opposite in a few months.

There was some hope we could holiday in Greece instead but Priti Patel just dashed that. Basically nobody in the UK can take a holiday this year so the airlines are stuffed.

Unfortunately the whole world is being ruined for 99% of the population to extend the lives of the 1%. I cannot believe nearly all the world's governments think that is the right thing to do. Perhaps Brasil is the only one to get it right. Have one massive peak with up to twice the normal annual death rate and then normality followed by a few years of slightly lower than average death rates and lower social care and pension costs.

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« Reply #24 on: May 23, 2020 »
Well I have had a private conversation with JA (who is getting very shirty) and also a youtube comment conversation with Eddie and they have different interpretations of this sentence.

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maximum 10 at a table, with "distancia de separación de dos metros"

JA thinks it means 10 people around a table spaced 2m apart whereas Eddie and presumably the restaurant think it means 10 people sat normally around a table spaced 2m apart from others.

In JA's interpretation the table would be need to be massive, so I think she is wrong.