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Offline nophead

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« Reply #60 on: August 14, 2020 »
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Yes but worst case the most unhealthy 1% die a bit early versus the economy stuffed for the other 99% for decades. Long after most of those who die would have died anyway.

There has to be a balance somewhere, would you screw the economy for 1 person dying a bit early or 1 in 1 million, 100000, 10000, 1000?

Would you ban cars because they occasionally kill people and cause air pollution that kills more people than Covid in a year? The governments don't tell people not to go out or wear a gas masks if they do or control air pollution. The world is mad.

The economy is what keeps us all alive, not some abstract thing that is dispensable. If it collapses completely you would need to be a subsistence farmer to survive.  And it is not just the economy. All forms of socialising and fun are banned over something that is far from the most dangerous thing in life.

I would rather take the risk and have some social life than live like this for the rest of my life.

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« Reply #61 on: August 14, 2020 »
Well said nophead.

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« Reply #62 on: August 14, 2020 »
So according to you nophead we should do nothing, just let the virus run its course, just like the leaders in the USA & Brazil have where the spread is out of control.

As for my wife, myself with our friends we are very happy to wear a mask, self distance & have friends around at different times, we do not feel restricted, we are all in what you seem to call the old and about to die brigade, & we have every intention of living & enjoying life for as long as we can.

In life there are many ups & downs at the moment we are on a downer try using one of those 100 masks you purchased, or if not instead of hording them like a lot of things you do, give them to the NHS or your local care home where they will be greatly appreciated.

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« Reply #63 on: August 14, 2020 »
The government should advise the vulnerable people to take precautions because the world is now a little bit more dangerous for them but they should not restrict the young and healthy going about their business. And they should always have to publish numbers is context. Yes 164 people died from covid in the Canaries over about 6 months but how many from the same age groups died from something else over 6 months? It must be something like 10000. So normal old age and health issues are far more dangerous than covid.

I believe they should not be able to create new laws about what I can do inside my own home and garden. I am surprised the civil libertarians are not kicking off as they got upset about id cards. That is nothing compared to these restrictions on liberty.

You are lucky you can have your friends around. I did for a few weeks but now it is banned here. However virtually everybody I know is ignoring it. Having their grandkids round to stay, going to parties outside the zone, etc. An 82 year old friend plays dominoes with three of his friends at a local pub! He thinks it is a total overreaction.

PPE is in plentiful supply. Virtually all the companies I dealt with buying components to make 3D printers now supply it alongside electronic components, office machinery, packaging or plastic sheets. I have no idea why care homes can't buy it other than they use it so fast it would have to cost pennies for them to be able to afford it. Their staff are on minimum wage, so their PPE usage could easily cost more than they do at the price I paid.

The sensible thing for travel would have been tests at the airport before you board but the test cost is comparable to the airfare, so nobody wanted to pay for it. So they just let tourists in. Why would the outcome be any different to February?

As for having to wear masks outside even when you can keep your distance is bonkers. People don't catch it walking past people in the street, they catch it socialising in bars and in their homes and in food processing factories. I think the Spanish government is using it like a punishment to try to get people to behave. Like naughty school kids having to wear a dunces cap. And they even recommend wearing masks in your own home when meeting friends and family. Does anybody do that?
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« Reply #64 on: August 14, 2020 »
So if you disagree with the safety measures of Governments who are trying and slow the spread of the virus
& nobody is actually stopping you going to your property in Tenerife, why are you saying you are not going ?

Sounds a bit like the pot calling the frying pan black.

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« Reply #65 on: August 14, 2020 »
Because I don't want to spend a holiday in a hot country wearing a mask whenever I leave my apartment. I would normally walk along the coast to Alcala and San Juan or up the Camino Royal to Tamaimo or Santiago Del Teidi. That would be horrible in a mask and I would end up with a stupid tan on my face.

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« Reply #66 on: August 14, 2020 »
" I would end up with a stupid tan on my face ", so it's down to vanity is it ?

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« Reply #67 on: August 14, 2020 »
I am surprised with all your powers of investigation you actually do not know the rules, in the Canaries, they did not go along with the Spanish Government when masks were told to be worn mandatory, they are only advisable there, except for certain places like Supermarkets,

So you could go on your walks in the middle of nowhere, but you could carry one of your masks, just in case you meet somebody, then you would not pass any of your germs on to them.

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« Reply #68 on: August 14, 2020 »
I think you are out of date. They didn't follow Spain immediately but they did yesterday when the new cases hit 100 per day.

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Everyone of and over 6 years of age must wear a mask in all public spaces indoors and out, including the street. Specifically public spaces are defined as open-air or enclosed spaces of public use or where the public has access, regardless of any distancing measures in place or possible.

Masks are required in catering establishments, including bars and cafťs, and may be removed only at the very moment of eating or drinking

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« Reply #69 on: August 14, 2020 »
Yes of yesterday it is law to wear a mask, but & it is a big but, YOU still do not feel it is necessary to wear one, obviously you still do not agree with Governments & WHO who advise doing so.

You & like minded people along with the young seem to think this virus will just disappear, all I can say we are glad you live up north miles from us.

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« Reply #70 on: August 14, 2020 »
Yes it isn't necessary to wear one outside and that is what our government thinks at the moment. I have been walking miles nearly everyday since the lockdown, passing lots of people at a safe distance, and have not caught anything from them.

Have you ever caught a cold or flu walking past people in the street? I last caught one sharing a taxi in Tenerife in January, it was just a sore throat and a persistent dry cough!

I can see the benefit to other people of wearing masks on public transport and in shops, to protect the staff who meet hundreds of people a day. But as I don't need to go shopping or use public transport I won't while I need to wear a mask.

The only places I have been since lockdown are pubs and restaurants as I don't need to wear a mask in those in the UK. The chance of catching something is minute because only about 1 in 2000 people have it here. So I am willing to take the risk because I enjoy eating and drinking out. Some of the staff wear masks and some don't and some wear them over the mouth but not their nose.

I think the virus will just become another cold type thing like other coronaviruses, that does the rounds. Eventually the people that react badly to it will die out, for the rest it is no big deal. We don't all wear masks and social distance because we might catch a cold, and I expect a few of the most sickly do get pushed over the line by a bad cold.

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Offline Georgie

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« Reply #71 on: August 14, 2020 »
Surely you don't have to wear a mask when walking but only going into shops

I can't breathe now after 15 minutes in tesco

Can someone please confirm

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« Reply #72 on: August 14, 2020 »
In the UK, yes that is true, but since yesterday in Tenerife you need to wear one on the street as well.


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« Reply #73 on: August 14, 2020 »
Then that is impossible even though I will have to cancel our holiday

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« Reply #74 on: August 14, 2020 »
You might lose your money if you do that. Better to wait to see if the airline cancels it or things get better and they drop the mask rule.

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« Reply #75 on: August 14, 2020 »
nophead, so in January in a Foreign country you had one of the major symptoms of Coronavirus, as you said a persistent dry cough & you traveled without a mask & returned to the UK.

I am all right jack comes to mind, sod you lot

Again thank god we live nowhere near you. 

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« Reply #76 on: August 14, 2020 »
No there were no official symptoms or advice in the second week of Jan as it wasn't a thing then. I travelled out the Tenerife and caught a cold from an English woman in front of me in a shared taxi on the way to our apartment. I didn't return to the UK until March.

Of course I didn't wear a mask or self isolate because it was only discovered in China about a week before. However it has since transpired it was in Europe before Christmas, so perhaps I had it or perhaps it was just another weird virus. It wasn't a normal cold because I didn't get a runny nose or feel ill.

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« Reply #77 on: August 14, 2020 »
How much more selfish and arrogant can you get Nophead? You wear a mask to protect others from a virus you may be unaware you have as demonstrated by you in January, where in all ignorance you may well have had it. Not in any way concerned about whom you may have infected or caused the line on one of your famous graphs to rise, you now hold forth about how you conduct your life, your friends must be overjoyed you are back in UK. Thank goodness you are no longer here and like Unhappy, Iím relieved I donít live anywhere near you when in UK. Your wife deserves a gold medal.

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« Reply #78 on: August 14, 2020 »
As to you GEORGIE why on earth is wearing a mask so much more challenging for you than the rest of us? Get a grip, get a mask and for heavenís  sake shut up!

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« Reply #79 on: August 14, 2020 »
Georgie you sound like the idiots I see interviewed on the TV who have no idea what is going on in the world let alone in the country they live in.

Don't wear a mask, then some other idiot with the same views could have sneezed around the corner with the virus & you have walked straight into it, shame you could die & then you will never see Tenerife again

I know some people think driving a car, or us old folks are going to die anyway, but I worked for 54 years & I want to enjoy my retirement for as long as it lasts, & if that means listening to people who know better than I do, I will, not some fool that thinks graphs prove everything.

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« Reply #80 on: August 14, 2020 »
Hold on please

Do you have to wear a mask walking


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« Reply #81 on: August 14, 2020 »
Georgie, r u refereeing this spat?

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« Reply #82 on: August 14, 2020 »
Not at all but need to know the actual  facts please


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« Reply #83 on: August 14, 2020 »
Que paso on Facebook update on the regulations applying in Spain, in a way even Georgie should be able to understand.

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« Reply #84 on: August 14, 2020 »
angiebabes,
 How selfish are people like you ruining the social life and life prospects of the younger generation because you are feeling vulnerable to something that is less dangerous than car pollution? Get a grip. All the statistics show it isn't very dangerous compared to life.

Some ONS evidence today the numbers aren't increasing in the the UK at all. They are just going looking for it with targeted testing and picking up all the asymptomatic cases. For example testing whole factories of people because a few cases showed up and finding hundreds of them have it.

And now we stopped counting people who survived covid and then died of something else months afterwards our deaths and lower than Spain's.

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« Reply #85 on: August 14, 2020 »
Nophead, so you're right and everyone else is wrong.

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« Reply #86 on: August 14, 2020 »
To Georgie, it's not worth the effort, & to anybody else who thinks prevention is a waste of time, lets hope you never get infected, you might change your mind then.

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« Reply #87 on: August 14, 2020 »
I feel sorry for Tenerife and most off all LG, where they are suffering due to the latest colvid rules.
And to be fair as we all know, it is in main land Spain Catalonia where it has spiked!
The Brits who have moved over to Tenerife, some now many years ago, thought they were leaving a blighted sinking ship! And said "hey this is much better here". Were right at the time! But have from what I have seen so far, Spain does not have the generosity to the "foreigners" as we have here!
And if we tourists or owners cannot get out, your so effected by the lack of £ to Euros.
I have felt sometimes in the past that we UK visitors were subjects to be despised and robbed from, even laughing behind our backs, as we return back to the UK to work and run our business's.
I have now seen, that some brits are begging for money, or asking for donations! I am happy to donate, as we have enough people already poncing on the welfare state already.
So please respect us visitors, and remember as my old man said "the grass is not always greener"

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« Reply #88 on: August 15, 2020 »
It isn't just Catalonia where it has spiked. In the Canaries it is 144 cases today, which is only three less than the previous peak at the end of March and the 7 day average is actually higher. The graph looks almost identical but it peaked before due to the lockdown introduced a couple of weeks before, so I think this one has not peaked yet.

So what did the lockdown achieve?


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« Reply #89 on: August 15, 2020 »
Sorry you misinterpreted what I was saying

We always wear face mask but going to tenerife in the hot weather and wearing it all day means why book to go away