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Offline pilgrim

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« Reply #150 on: August 20, 2020 »
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Nophead, please you love LG, and want to winter there! Sounds like you need a break like us!!
Maybe we are all suffering of lockdown fever! forgetting that we are all blessed that when things return at some stage to a new normal! We can get out and enjoy!!
But no one has really been rude on this site and why would they!
It's just a holiday village site for village idiots like me! As unhappy has a few years ago described me!!
But no harm meant!!  Statically speaking, and the graph on the following page....................

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« Reply #151 on: August 21, 2020 »
nophead, so you should be glad of the lockdowns no cars on the road, as we have seen the air pollution did improve.

As for going to Tenerife in the winter which we also do, do you realise it is peak time there which means more cars on the road more pollution.

At first it was great when we got stranded with the Spanish lockdown no cars on the road no people walking around.

You could get a parking space anywhere, but you could not go out driving, you should have stayed you would have loved it, you would have been able to spend more time on your computer.

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« Reply #152 on: August 21, 2020 »
angiebabes...... your response worried me.....

"Ok, message received. Iíve just been researching funeral plans."

dont do that..... you cant have  a funeral anyway as it is covid rules.  or maybe at best a very little one so probably no plan needed.

i think rather than research funeral plans, stop reading the uk papers with their scaremongering.  and yes, loads of asymptomatic people walking around and shock horror at least 4 70 year olds at our golf club who didnt know they were positive......  they all couldnt believe it and they feel just fine.  so, unless you have underlying health issues (not age!)  just get out there and live life whilst you can.   we only have a short time on this earth so dont worry it away.

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« Reply #153 on: August 21, 2020 »
I disagree Pilgrim that nobody has been rude on this site sometimes the comments have been worse than rude.
Nophead has written about his views on the virus and yes sometimes itís been tedious, but the vitriol from at least one member regarding these posts has been very insulting.
To his credit he hasnít replied in the same vein, and Iím not sure I would have ever come on here again if Iíd had that kind of response to my opinion.
If you donít like his posts then scroll past, none of us have the right to judge, people have gone on and on about their own issues on this site before and they know who they are, so I would just say that people in glass houses etc 🙄🙄

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« Reply #154 on: August 21, 2020 »
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As for going to Tenerife in the winter which we also do, do you realise it is peak time there which means more cars on the road more pollution.

Yes but nowhere near the number of cars around LG as there are around Manchester and the close proximity of the sea and the sea breeze seem to keep pollution low, apart from sand.

I wasn't aware of air pollution until last year when I built an air quality monitor which, you guessed it, plots graphs of temperature, pressure, humidity, levels of oxidizing gas, reducing gas and particulate counts on a web page. I published it open source and it got featured in a magazine.

I tested it in my lab upstairs and noticed the oxidising gas peaks whenever we do any gas cooking downstairs in the kitchen at the other side of the house. I researched what oxidising gas is produced burning natural gas because I knew the main combustion products are just CO2 and water. I found it was NO2 and that is also produced by cars burning other hydrocarbons. When I put the sensor outside I noticed the levels of NO2 were even higher.

I found a government website that gave the level of all sorts of pollutants in square km tiles on a map and found where we are is in the top or second to top category for most pollutants. A big shock as we live in a semi rural village but we are only 10 miles from Manchester city centre and the M60, M61 and M62 motorways are only a few miles away in each direction.
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Re: Corvid19 Graph
« Reply #155 on: August 21, 2020 »
I wish I had not said anything, as one person said on here your wife deserves a medal.

Mary I assume you are referring to me, fine if you want to be bored to death carry on reading his posts, I will certainly not anymore.

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« Reply #156 on: August 21, 2020 »
For heavens sake Dolly please curtail this acrimonious topic.
 It is destroying the whole idea of the site.

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« Reply #157 on: August 21, 2020 »
For heavens sake Dolly please curtail this acrimonious topic.
 It is destroying the whole idea of the site.
Well said!

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Re: Corvid19 Graph
« Reply #158 on: August 21, 2020 »
I am always reluctant to delete posts because this is your forum and you are entitled to your say but don't offend others.  If you can't all play nicely in the sand pit I may have to start deleting.

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« Reply #159 on: August 21, 2020 »
Do you think covid19 is worse than the stomach problems we get there because of the drainage issue

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« Reply #160 on: August 21, 2020 »
I can only presume you are referring to the Nora batty virus, we had it one year, well, 3 days to be exact, i can assure you it was not pleasant, although i cannot compare it to Kungflu, not had that yet!

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« Reply #161 on: August 21, 2020 »
Covid19 symptoms vary from none at all for 75% of people to some that have just a loss of taste and smell or dry cough or a high fever, gut problems, all or all of the above.

Some struggle to breath and need oxygen. A small percentage have an auto immune reaction that starts to destroy their organs. Then they are really in trouble, end up in ICU and then it is only 50/50 or worse.

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« Reply #162 on: August 23, 2020 »
Dolly Driver you have scared everybody away! We should encourage all back to LG!!

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« Reply #163 on: August 23, 2020 »
I see this from the Sun.

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Spain is on the UK quarantine list following a spike in coronavirus cases meaning Britons returning from the country are required to self-isolate for two weeks.

However, Transport Secretary Grant Shapps admitted yesterday that the government was considering scrapping travel warnings to the Spanish islands due to the low-levels of Covid-19 there.

But the latest figures for Tenerife are now worse the the UK when you multiply by 66 for per capita and the Canaries as a whole are even worse, so I don't know what numbers he is looking at.

In Wigan we get out of extra measures on Wednesday but our numbers have stayed about the same at half the UK average, so we should never have been included in the greater Manchester lockdown.  We had to cancel two BBQs for nothing. Weather was nice before we got restrictions and crap now, which seems to be the way with lockdowns.

Chris Whitty says it will last for 9 months, the WHO say 2 years and another expert says it will be with us forever, so no idea when we will get the LG.

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« Reply #164 on: August 24, 2020 »
It gets worse: according JA's podcast today the police have decided you need to wear a mask between sips of beer because otherwise you could make it last while chatting to your friends!


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« Reply #165 on: August 25, 2020 »
what happens in the hotels, can people eat drink and walk around without masks on inside the hotel?  if so, the holiday makers will be quite happy to stay within the hotel bars etc.  i presume the police wont go into a hotel to fine people in the dining rooms?
if so, this is happy days for the hoteliers on the island.  again.

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« Reply #166 on: August 25, 2020 »
According to Spanish regs you are supposed to wear a mask until your food arrives and put it back on when you have eaten it or leave the table. So each drink in bar you would put it on while you ordered the next one. But some police have said it is between sips, crazy. It seems the Spanish police can make up their own interpretation and you can't argue, and as they go into bars I am sure they will go into hotels. Their aim is to stop it spreading between people socialising.

In contrast the UK regs explicitly say you should avoid taking a mask on and off and you explicitly don't need to wear one in hospitality like bars and restaurants at all. If there is a seated eating area in in a larger place like a shop, or perhaps a hotel foyer (not sure), you have to wear it until you are seated but then take it off. Always more reasonable and logical than the Spanish regs.

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Re: Corvid19 Graph
« Reply #167 on: August 25, 2020 »
If this is still the case in December, I shall cancel our el sombrero holiday. What a miserable holiday it would be.

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« Reply #168 on: August 25, 2020 »
Yes it's mad for an island that makes it money from tourism. And it isn't anything to do with stopping the spread. All the cases and deaths are in the Capitals and La Laguna, not the tourist areas in the south. And if you spend time with people you know in a bar what difference does it make if you wear a mask between sips? They can catch it in the gaps in between.

Just back from lunch in a Wetherspoons. Hand sanitiser on the way in. QR code to register your details, an app to order, no masks required and staff didn't have them either, they were all young. Makes sense because, unlike shops, nobody needs to go to a pub, so people can choose to risk it or not. Two meals with drinks for £5, bargain!

From a few weeks ago when the Canaries were saying how their numbers were low because they had a strict lockdown and the government managed it so well the situation has suddenly reversed. Their numbers per capita are much worse than the UK and their second peak so far is about 2.5 times the first one and still on the way up at about 200 cases per day. The hospital numbers are going up rapidly, while ours still going down and much lower per capita.

My personal theory, unsubstantiated for once, is that their young have got fed up and are ignoring the rules but they mix with their extended families and they get ill. Because they locked down completely early on, very few people have had it, so the epidemic is just carrying on from where it left off.

In the UK the young never stuck to the rules, so nothing has changed, which is why we haven't got the same upsurge. Our underlying numbers are flat and the slow increase in figures is due to more targeted testing. And a lot more people have had it here and are immune. Nowhere near enough for herd immunity but perhaps enough among the young who mix. I think that is why it dropped so dramatically in London after the lockdown. Something like 17% of Londoners had had it by then. Only about 2.25% of Canarians have had it until this new upsurge.

I read yesterday that for a healthy adult in their 20's, if they catch it, the chance of dying is only around 1 in 40000, about the same chance they will die from road traffic accident. And Covid isn't even in the top ten causes of death for the population as a whole. Why on earth do we have to change our lives completely?

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« Reply #169 on: August 25, 2020 »
Sandylea totally agree but you have no chance to cancel

I have been trying to cancel with jet2 for August and can't get through or do it online

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« Reply #170 on: August 25, 2020 »
I shall just tell my card issuer not to pay jet2 on the date they try to take the money.

Nophead, Sweden seem to have got it right. Wish the weather were better there as a holiday wouldn't be too restrictive as they don't insist on masks anywhere and had no lockdown!

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« Reply #171 on: August 25, 2020 »
Yes I agree Sweden seems to have had the best approach. At one point people were travelling from the UK lockdown to Sweden to get a haircut and go to a bar.

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« Reply #172 on: August 26, 2020 »
i do agree that spain needs to get a bit of herd immunity.  they are never going to recover economically if they dont get on with their lives, people will not want to wear a mask on holiday constantly especially when they dont have to do it on their own home soil.  i cannot understand why spain are the only country who dont seem to get this.
its scary.

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« Reply #173 on: August 26, 2020 »
Weve booked to go to Wales for two weeks in October as you don't have to wear masks in shops there.  Masks on holiday is a real deal breaker for us.

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« Reply #174 on: August 26, 2020 »
We are almost in September, we were last in LG in January, and late February, luckily flying home just before the Lockdown. From the recent data and information available, we are not going to take a chance and come out till we can be certain, that we will not be quarantined or even possibly in a lockdown. This being the case I can't see ourselves coming out till 2021, or until the current prognosis changes for the better.

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« Reply #175 on: August 26, 2020 »
We have just cancelled October and December

Sorry can't wear a fask mask all week on holiday  xx

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« Reply #176 on: August 26, 2020 »
Think they may be many more potential visitors coming to the same sad difficult decision! Am sorry for the local business and people who have always made our stays most enjoyable! Hope they all keep well, and are there to welcome us all back!!

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« Reply #177 on: August 26, 2020 »
We haven't decided yet because things change so dramatically and so quickly. Who would have guessed a month ago that the Canaries would suddenly go from having an average of two cases per day to 217? That would be the same as 7161 a day in the UK and we never hit 5000 on 7 day averages, although I think our peak was flattened by not having enough testing capacity. Other countries all had a sharp peak but ours was a lot flatter.

We have EasyJet flights booked for November but no idea even if they will fly. The quarantine is not a big problem for us if it is only on the way back as we have plenty of food in stock, so don't need to go out, but would miss the exercise unless the weather is crap.

Had to wear masks yesterday because we had to take the car for an MOT. The garage told us we had only done 1000 miles since the last one! We were in Tenerife from Nov to March and then in lock down and then the ban on visiting other households, so not really used it much at all.

The masks were a pain because my glasses steamed up and my wife's kept slipping up into her eyes. When I got home I watched a WHO video of how to wear a surgical mask and realised we had them on upside down, doh! The top has a metal band in it that you can mold over your nose, I didn't realise they weren't symmetrical.

Don't mind wearing one in a shop to much but in the open air and in pubs and restaurants it is ridiculous. It seems the only places we could not wear one in LG is in our apartment or when we walk up the Camino Royal to Tamaimo and Santiago Del Teide but would have to put it on when we get there. Walking up the steep hills out of LG and up past the Mercadona in 30C would be horrible in a mask.