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« Reply #210 on: May 03, 2020 »
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Great to hear people can finally get home.

How full was the plane, i.e. was it commercially viable?

Which government was messing about changing policy? UK or Spanish?

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« Reply #211 on: May 03, 2020 »
Sounds like my kind of flight. No crowds and some personal space. Glad you are home safe after an eventful stay in LG. Hopefully you will want to return at some point. We are counting down to September and keeping optimistic that flights will go ahead even if there are restrictions in place.

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« Reply #212 on: May 03, 2020 »
The flight was 2 thirds full but had spacing on seats, don't know which Government, but hopefully a precedent now set, and of course JA got all the facts wrong again.

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« Reply #213 on: May 03, 2020 »
Unhappy, well done! bet you can't stop smiling!!!

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« Reply #214 on: May 03, 2020 »
Nice 1 some good news for a chance

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« Reply #215 on: May 04, 2020 »
The flight was 2 thirds full but had spacing on seats, don't know which Government, but hopefully a precedent now set, and of course JA got all the facts wrong again.
Iím delighted to read of your safe arrival back home after such nerve wracking hours this end trying to ascertain whether the flight would actually happen. You must be relieved and delighted to be back in UK as you so wanted to be there.

However, I feel you are so unfair in your comment about Janet Anscombe. Iíve just listened to her podcast where she states that flight was cancelled a total of four times before it actually took off. She, herself was asked by the FCO to post that the flight had been cancelled as per the information the FCO had been given. As of now, no-one knows the reasons why this state of affairs occurred but Janet did everything she could, as always to bring factual information to the internet and it was not her fault that the status of that flight altered so many times in a day.

Personally, I give great value to the information Janet takes such pains to publish, not for her benefit, but for the likes of me and defend her accuracy and diligence.

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« Reply #216 on: May 04, 2020 »
Well said Angiebabes.

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« Reply #217 on: May 04, 2020 »
The more JA posts the more I have grown to dislike her. She relishes the lockdown and telling people what they can't do and stopped people discussing the flights when it was important to a lot of her readers. She told me off for quoting the BBC that WizzAir would be flying to TFS and who was right in the end?

And she posts things like "A new normality will dawn rather than an old one return, perhaps." as if she prefers everything closed.

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« Reply #218 on: May 04, 2020 »
Angiebabes & blarer, its a pity you did not see the email she sent me after I praised Wizz Air for doing what they did, don't forget no other British Airline or Government tried to do this.

Her comments were I should not be praising the Wizz Air because the flight had been cancelled 4 times by the Government but she did not know which one the British or the Spanish.

I thought what she should have been saying is congratulations to Wizz Air for persevering trying to get this flight into Tenerife, and castergating whichever Government was trying to STOP IT.

I sent her an email back with these comments & told her not to bother replying because I would not read it and was removing her site from my computer, the woman thinks to much of herself.

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« Reply #219 on: May 04, 2020 »
The more JA posts the more I have grown to dislike her. She relishes the lockdown and telling people what they can't do and stopped people discussing the flights when it was important to a lot of her readers. She told me off for quoting the BBC that WizzAir would be flying to TFS and who was right in the end?

And she posts things like "A new normality will dawn rather than an old one return, perhaps." as if she prefers everything closed.

Indeed, Janet is absolutely right that there will be a ďnew normĒ at least until there is a foolproof, safe vaccine which she herself has said. This is evident in phase 4 predictions of how our lives will be, Yes, the flight did take off, but if you are criticising someone in a situation that genuinely changed four times during the course of Saturday, I think you are harsh in your judgement and totally unfair. The BBC must have had a crystal ball ! When did they announce it would fly, after the four cancellations and before Janet could comment? Come on, play fair, give the lady a fair trial before you slam her with your negative comments. She is the first to recognise the changing news, but isnít psychic for godís sake!!! Really, you make me very very cross at your totally biased, confident assertions.

And unhappy, Iím disappointed in you as a business entrepreneur. Have you never, ever promised a delivery/treatment/activity that because of forces beyond your control youíve had to amend? I know I have many times in my business life and it is frustrating, embarrassing and annoying but it happens. For heavenís sake give this lady a break. None of us are without faults you know! Back to my wine, whine or however you want to interpret my musings.


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« Reply #220 on: May 04, 2020 »
You see things your way and I'll see them my way.

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« Reply #221 on: May 04, 2020 »
Everyone has a different option on everything.

All I want is to come back to los gigantes and chill out

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« Reply #222 on: May 04, 2020 »
angiebabes, Oh is that why this woman who welcomed the flight problem on to her site, but when she could not be bothered with how many people were posting, who unlike myself were desperate to get home, myself I was only trying to heed, the British Governments advice to return HOME ASAP. She withdrew the topic.

That sounds like a control freak to me, and she has no right to knock an airline that was trying to help those who wanted to get home. Perhaps she should ask the BBC where to get the same crystal ball from,  instead of rubber necking with people who think they know everything but don't, like herself

As for my business NO I never let a customer down, that is why in 35 years I had some of the same customers from day 1 to 35 years later, my suppliers knew my rules I never let them wait to be paid they never let me down, and I purchased equipment from all over the world.

For my business acumen I once had a change of Personal Banking Manager, I had the usual customary letter introducing himself, saying he would be in touch in the next 2 weeks, when he did not, I rang him introduced myself, he said he did not recognise my Company and would I give him a few moments to do some Investigating which he did & then rang me back, the reason he did not know me was because the bank did not make any money out of my Company, In 35 years I never had a bank overdraft, because my company bank account was never in the red & I never borrowed money off them, I negotiated free banking charges & I sold, rented & repaired Capital Equipment costing 10s of thousands of pounds, That is how to run a company, I can not comment how you ran yours.

blarer, I could not care less what you think, I will draw my own conclusions, having had dealings with her 10 years ago and now, the only person she is interested in is her own self importance.

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« Reply #223 on: May 04, 2020 »
I simply reported that BBC had said in the context of people being stranded that WizzAir were going to restart flights in May. This was several days before, so I was not predicting anything with confidence. Simply relaying what I regard as a reliable source in the hope it would help people trying to find flights back.

Janet didn't like that because I don't think she wants flights from the UK bringing the virus back to Tenerife. I think she wants a new normal with no visitors having a care free holiday on her idyllic police state island.

My view is this world response is total nonsense. The Canaries have had 141 Covid19 deaths out of population of 2 million over about 2 months. In that time about 3000 people would normally die. So is it reasonable that everything should stop and we should have a new norm with no socialising, entertainment or fun?

We are told to grieve for all these people lost to the virus, but what about the other 2859 people who's deaths would cause just as much grieving to the their loved ones? The vast majority of people that die are in their 70's and 80's, where it is normal to have a significant chance of dying.

The Spanish flu killed millions of people around the world but did is stop everything and create a new normality? No because in those days if you didn't go out for work you would die anyway and death was common.

We have lost touch with reality and sense of risk. Even if you catch Covid19 on average the chance of it killing you is about the same as the chance of dying in the next year of something. So if you are 80's quite a high chance. If you are in you 20's very low but still finite as not all 20 year olds see 21.

By telling people to isolate governments have made people scared of something that is not all that dangerous compared to other things in life and they never put it into perspective.



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« Reply #224 on: May 04, 2020 »
Unhappy is you own opinion the right one ? you seem rather full of yourself. and all me me. I don't care that you don't care what I think.


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« Reply #226 on: May 05, 2020 »
Agree with Georgie. In these uncertain times the thought of a few weeks in LG is keeping me sane.

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« Reply #227 on: May 05, 2020 »
blarer, I have never said my opinion is right, but it is my right to have an opinion, It is called " freedom of speech ", the same for you, something JA does not believe in, if she disagrees with you even if you are right or wrong, I call that controlling, not an open forum.

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« Reply #228 on: May 05, 2020 »
Yes, JA seems to relish "the new norm", but the truth is it has all been a massive over reaction, and the REAL VICTIMS are those people who have built business, many over more than one generation, that will never re open! And they will be another unemployed statistic, along with their staff.
I cannot see things returning to pre virus days ever!
And sadly the Canaries will fare very poorly, as people will be choosing a 2 hour flight in isolation over a 4 hour + flight!
We too will not be returning to LG 4 or 5 times a year for 2 or 3 weeks at a time. We will most likely now stay a couple of times for 5 or 6 weeks instead.

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« Reply #229 on: May 05, 2020 »
Yes people who have lost businesses are victims Pilgrim, but in my opinion the real victims are the thousands who have lost loved ones, businesses can be rebuilt, loved ones are gone forever.

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« Reply #230 on: May 05, 2020 »
True but many more people have died of other causes, each with the same effect on loved ones. In fact everybody dies and most are mourned. It is part of life.

A lot of the people that have died from covid19 did not have long to live anyway. I think on average, one year since catching it only as dangerous as living for a year.

The fact that covid19 is in the news makes people fear it but it has only just passed the death rate of a bad winter flu episode and they happen most years with no media coverage and nobody scared to go out. The pubs are normally full at Christmas when it is prevalent. We don't self isolate to protect the old people and the NHS.

And when somebody in their 80's dies of pneumonia in a care home we normally accept that is what happens. We don't consider it a terrible tragedy. And if they have dementia some relatives consider it a blessing.

We are now getting to the point were the damage to economy will cause more death in the long run than the disease. 




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« Reply #231 on: May 05, 2020 »
i agree many have died with the virus, and may not have had long anyway, but lots were young healthy front line care workers who probably had much more to give, and many younger people, who may or may not have died, who knows.

Of corse people are not as scared during a flu epidemic, many have been inoculated But the big difference you are overlooking is that if you get flu you self isolate anyway, believe me you have little choice, and unlike the virus you are unlikely  to be a carrier and not be symptomatic.
This virus is very much an unknown and unlike flu which mutates but still occurs ever year, it appears to  require a lot more medical intervention.
 
Iím sure lots of people think itís not something to be concerned about, but personally as long as my family and friends are still around after all this upheaval then Iíll be very glad, and if staying away from others, taking precautions and not being self absorbed helps me achieve that aim, ill do whatever it takes.



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« Reply #232 on: May 05, 2020 »
Not sure about in Tenerife but in the UK the health service is a massive organisation and it has only killed people in it in the same age profile as it has killed the rest of the population and that is, for a given age, the chance of it killing you is about the same dying of something in the next year.

The government is being disingenuous when they say it kills at all ages to frighten people. Yes it does but only in the same way that normal life does.

People do die at any age and it is shocking for their relatives, and for the population if it is a famous person, but otherwise largely forgotten and not a big problem to society as there is no shortage of people.

There is no sense of perspective to the way governments are acting. If they announced the Covid death figures along with all the other forms of death that day it would not look like a big problem and something to be scared off unless you are so unfit you are likely not to last another year.






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« Reply #233 on: May 05, 2020 »
The bottom line is dont watch the news or read the papers because you never know if it is true or not

One day they say smokers are ok then they are not

Then if you are fat or not

If you are over 70 or not

We just need to ride this out and never see any batman movies

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« Reply #234 on: May 05, 2020 »
Yes is you fat, smoke and are over 70 then time to worry about covid but also lucky to have lasted that long.

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« Reply #235 on: May 05, 2020 »
Blimey, I am getting worried now, I am over 70, I am over weight I blame the wine, I used to smoke 40 years ago, I have high blood pressure, and arthritis not to mention sex 8 times a week ( in my dreams of course )

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« Reply #236 on: May 05, 2020 »
Unhappy, you sound better already, I last month moved into my 7th decade, so am trying to plan for the future old age!
Which reminds me off the old fella who goes to the doctor complaining that his sex life is not what it was!
Doctor asks, when did this happen.
4 times last night and 3 times this morning!

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« Reply #237 on: May 05, 2020 »
Anyways, the only real way that we will be able to measure the deaths due to Colvid 19, Is thru the statistics.
We cannot trust any politician or any Lefty NHS official who have been lying! We know this from family!!
So when the annual death rates come out, we just need to see what this years blip is, so far 30,000 reported to the virus. If the figure is just 5,000 more! maybe we can agree that the lives wrecked and lost was not worth the lockdown. When your 60 plus in a holiday home! what have you got to lose! kids and parents who's education is lost and income everything!
The CURE cannot be worse than the DISEASE!
Come on lets all get a grip!!!

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« Reply #238 on: May 07, 2020 »
Looks like today's WizzAir flight from TFS to LTN is showing as cancelled. I wonder if they have run out of passengers after two flights.

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« Reply #239 on: May 07, 2020 »
Looks like today's WizzAir flight from TFS to LTN is showing as cancelled. I wonder if they have run out of passengers after two flights.

Step away from that wine glass! They fly Tuesdays and Saturdays between Tfs and Luton