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Title: Restrictions
Post by: Tanemera on September 07, 2020
Hoping to arrive 28th September and have a couple of questions.

1.  Are the taxis from the airport restricting the number of passengers?  I heard they would only take one.
2.  Are two people from same family allowed to go to the supermarket together?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: angiebabes on September 07, 2020
Taxis take two people. If you share a car with people with whom you donít live you all need to wear a mask.

You are not restricted as to how many of you go to a supermarket but you need a mask. Some supermarkets, like hiperdino, take temperature as you enter, Mercadona have plastic disposable gloves.

Everyone encouraged to distance.

Masks must be worn anywhere outside your home, including entering, leaving or walking round a restaurant. Once seated for eating and drinking you can remove the mask.

All shops require you to keep your mask on

Walking in the street requires a mask.

Smoking banned whilst sitting in a bar and special smoking areas are set up where you need to go to smoke.

All this makes you feel very secure, very aware to distance and respect each other, and generally after a couple of days, you donít even notice what initially can seem like a nuisance.

We came back after seven months out their a fortnight ago and just finishing quarantine , but felt very safe in Tenerife, plenty of places to enjoy eating out, shopping very easy. Certainly the Quieter atmosphere we thoroughly enjoyed, though felt for the businesses desparately trying to keep going. You will enjoy it.

Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: pilgrim on September 07, 2020
We all expected the transport secretary Grant Shapps to remove the Canaries and Balearics from the prohibited fly list, thus creating an air bridge, within Spain.  But a NO SHOW
I am starting to thing "brexit politcs may be paying a part in the governments thinking".
We really want to get out to LG, but with things still in a state of flux, we won't risk it.
Talk of a winter 2nd wave, we could be caught in a Tenerife lockdown!
From what I see, we have the world bank, the EU, NATO, G7,Comonwealth etc..  But countries have not sat down together and discussed a common policy of how to respond/ function with regard to the virus.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on September 07, 2020
Why would the UK create an air bridge to Spain or the Canaries or Tenerife when the numbers are far worse than the UK?
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: pilgrim on September 07, 2020
Unless I am wrong which is highly likely! The Islands of Spain are within "colvid limits" the spike being in the Spanish mainland. You will tell me Nophead that I am wrong, maybe just what I read and hoping!
Am sure you will have more information than I have. We need people like you,cos I'm a happy dreamer!
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on September 08, 2020
The UK threshold for air corridors is 20 / 100,000 per week.

Canaries are about 111, Tenerife about 34 by my calculations.

I could show an alarming graph but people on this forum hate to see them.

Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: janey on September 08, 2020
Taxis take two people. If you share a car with people with whom you donít live you all need to wear a mask.

You are not restricted as to how many of you go to a supermarket but you need a mask. Some supermarkets, like hiperdino, take temperature as you enter, Mercadona have plastic disposable gloves.

Everyone encouraged to distance.

Masks must be worn anywhere outside your home, including entering, leaving or walking round a restaurant. Once seated for eating and drinking you can remove the mask.

All shops require you to keep your mask on

Walking in the street requires a mask.

Smoking banned whilst sitting in a bar and special smoking areas are set up where you need to go to smoke.

All this makes you feel very secure, very aware to distance and respect each other, and generally after a couple of days, you donít even notice what initially can seem like a nuisance.

We came back after seven months out their a fortnight ago and just finishing quarantine , but felt very safe in Tenerife, plenty of places to enjoy eating out, shopping very easy. Certainly the Quieter atmosphere we thoroughly enjoyed, though felt for the businesses desparately trying to keep going. You will enjoy it.
   gosh, this will really encourage people to come over on holiday.  i would suggest slightly extreme.  think walking around outside with a mask on is pointless. inside areas with lots of other people is probably much more sensible. 
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on September 08, 2020
And the UK is now above its own threshold, LOL. If we fly internally we should quarantine or it makes no sense, or perhaps none of this makes sense.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: Tanemera on September 08, 2020
Many thanks, Angiebabes, for your very helpful reply. You have answered all my questions,  :-*plus some I hadn't thought of. Looking forward to the sunshine. Regarding the mask requirements, etc, I am completely in favour and wish  the UK would adopt them instead of all the confusing instructions that are never enforced anyway.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: Fredk on September 09, 2020
Due out on the 22nd Sept, will not be worrying over cases per 100000 in Tenerife as the cases in my area at home in the UK are now at 89 per 100000!
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: pilgrim on September 11, 2020
Government putting Portugal on quarantine list, but not Madera or the Azores. So why don't they do the same for the Canaries?
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on September 11, 2020
Because the cases in the Canaries are way above the 20 / 100,000 per week. They do seem to be past the peak now and on the way down and we are on the way up to meet them.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: Georgie on September 12, 2020
Read today that there is a 92 percent increase in the over 50 group with covid

Are you all sure you wish to travel
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: janey on September 13, 2020
Read today that there is a 92 percent increase in the over 50 group with covid

Are you all sure you wish to travel

quite sure i wish to travel.  dont believe what the papers tell you.  you are just click bait.    and there is a huge decline of people dying of covid.  more people have had it than you know and dont realise including people over 50.  its time the world got back on its feet.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: SandyLea on September 13, 2020
 Well said Janey.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on September 13, 2020
Yep if you stay at home for a year there is about the same chance you will die of something random as if you go out and are actually unlucky enough to catch it.

There is actually no logic to most of the worlds government's responses. Why on earth do they portray it as a great danger when it ranks very low on the scale of things that might kill us? So far during this "pandemic" three people I know have died from cancer but I none of my friends and relatives have even caught covid that they know of.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: Samijoe on September 13, 2020
Sure we want to travel. What else is there to do as we listen to scaremongering and meaningless stats that tell us nothing. Changed our flights from Jet2 and will be in LG next weekend. Will adhere to all the guidance and enjoy the usual bars, restaurants and shops that we normally use. Letís start being rational about the risks we face in trying to get our lives back.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: unhappy on September 13, 2020
So nophead you know more than all the Governments & Scientists in the world who are spending an untold amount money trying to stop this pandemic, and that is the problem with all the money being spent they still can not control this pandemic.

If they don't take this action it would be totally out of control & millions will die, stop comparing it to flu we have a vaccine not perfect but it helps, also I have never heard of someone catching cancer from somebody else.

Get real it is a PANDEMIC, not a flu outbreak.

We all want life back to normal, we are hoping to come over for our 3 months in the winter, but if people do not heed the warnings nobody knows what will happen, only that the death rate will increase
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on September 13, 2020
Millions in the world but since the mortality rate in the UK is now estimated to be only 0.7% and herd immunity needs about 70% of the population to get it absolute worst case would be about 0.49% of the UK population, which is about 330,000 people, only about half the normal number of people that die in a year, so a 50% increase. In practice it would be a lot less if the vulnerable kept out of the way. They are the ones that normal life should stop for, not the majority that are young and healthy.

If only differs from a flu outbreak because it is new and nobody has any immunity and there is no vaccine.  Compared to Spanish flu, that was much worse. For most healthy people it has no symptoms at all and most of the rest have cold like symptoms, nowhere near as bad as flu. A small percentage have a completely over the top immune reaction that can kill them, not the virus itself.

Yes most cancers are not contagious but my point is far more people die of cancer and other things, so how is this such a terrible disease that it needs an over the top response? Cancel kills about 1/3 of the population, this would only kill 0.5%. Traffic pollutions kills more and that is also not contagious but more likely to kill you or I and very hard to avoid.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: pilgrim on September 13, 2020
In May when the lock down started, we felt that it was a huge over reaction, then we were in our fifties.
Since then my wife and I have moved into our 60's. And whether it is psychological or not I do not know,
but we are taking this new spike far more seriously. I imagine that were we moving into our seventies we would be extremely cautious!
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: unhappy on September 13, 2020
You can bandy your figures all day & night, the point is it is still spreading, you go on about herd immunity & its ok its only us old buggers that will die, thanks for that.

And while you are going on about heards many Governments are saying it is the young & their disregard for taking the actions Governments want them to take, to STOP the spread.

Myself & my wife are the vulnerable we are over 70 we take every precaution hopefully to avoid contamination, how are we supposed to keep out of the way, do what you say people should not do, make up your mind, you live in a fantasy land
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on September 13, 2020
It is only a tiny percentage of the old buggers, there are millions of them in the UK. Most will die from cancer, heart disease or dementia. Unless you are in a care home or a hospital it is pretty easy to avoid getting it when you don't need to go out to work. It doesn't require the rest of the world to stop.

My view is the quicker everybody who is going to get it, gets it, the quicker when can get back to normal life.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: Edward Bear on September 13, 2020
Cor Blimey, Georgie's computer must have packed up. He has not been on today.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: Georgie on September 13, 2020
Sorry Edward

All I think I know is that from my perspective and the govt

We have another 18 months of this
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: unhappy on September 13, 2020
So nophead what you are saying is when all the old people die of what ever illness they may suffer from, this Pandemic will cease, but it is not the old people that are spreading it.

And if you think that you are more crazy than those in the lunny bins.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on September 13, 2020
No what I am saying is worst case most people will not die from covid because it only kills 0.7% of the people that catch it. So if everybody got it, which is almost impossible because herd immunity prevents the spread, most people will still die from something else. Compared to most other things that kill us it is hardly significant.

At any age, catching it is no more dangerous than living for a year. We all think we have good chance of living another year but actually about 1% of us will not. Yes it kills more old people but they also are the ones most likely not to last another year.

This is why I don't count it as dangerous. If you think it is dangerous to catch it you must think life is so dangerous or be so unhealthy you will be lucky to last a year.

50% of the people it has killed were in care homes and 50% were disabled. The number of healthy people it has killed is tiny in any age group. The only reason it has killed more old people is because less of them are healthy. People over 100 have survived.

Covid won't stop spreading until more than 70% have immunity, ether by getting it, or being vaccinated, or by hiding themselves away.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: will on September 14, 2020
I wonder if nophead would have the balls to express these opinions face to face in a room full of the grieving relatives of these (old buggers) who have died through no fault of their own.
Many have lost loved ones all over the world, and quite a number in the Canaries.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: unhappy on September 14, 2020
So nophead, in your words "you don't count it as dangerous", so why were you bleating on about not being able to go to your property or it not being worth anything, or you have not been out for months since you returned from Tenerife, why you have nothing to worry about.

You have quoted that anybody has only a 0.7% of catching it and as you are so young unlike us ready to die old buggers it is likely less than that you will catch it, again it sounds like the pot calling the kettle black.

Get off your computer and realise behind your figures these are real people that are dying, not just some statistic.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on September 14, 2020
The chance if catching it is mainly down to what you do unless you need to go to hospital or live in a care home. I don't think it depends on age other than if you are retired it is much easy to avoid it.

I never said there is a 0.7% chance of catching it. What I said is that on average of all the people that do catch it, only 0.7% die, a figure that was recently published on the BBC website. The vast majority have no symptoms at all. Of those that do have symptoms most have mild ones. A few have an overreaction of the body's immune system called a cytokine storm. Then they get very ill and need hospital treatment and a lot of those die. People also die from flu for the same reason.

The reason my apartment is now useless is Los Gigantes is like a ghost town, a lot of businesses are closed permanently and I can't see how the rest will last long with no customers. I saw a video shot on Thursday night and of the few businesses open most had no customers or just one couple. Only Charlie's bistro was busy and apparently they only open a couple of nights. If I go there I have to wear a mask all day.

I never said I hadn't been out for months. I go out walking most days, without a mask. We also ate out to help out six or seven times without wearing a mask in bars and restaurants in August. Have only needed to wear a mask four times so far for shopping.

Yes of course they are real people dying but everybody dies, which means huge numbers die every day. Why is a it great tragedy when a small number in comparison die a bit earlier? Why do people fixate on Covid and ignore all the other things that are far more likely to kill us?  Why does normal life have to stop and all leisure and cultural businesses be ruined? Why are the similar numbers of lives shortened by air pollution ignored?
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: unhappy on September 14, 2020
This bloke ain't for turning, lets hope he does not catch it, because if he does he will bore the Doctors and Nurses to death
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on September 14, 2020
If I do catch, (assuming I haven't already had it in January) I don't think I will be troubling any doctors or nurses because I don't have any preconditions that I know of, so the chances of me being ill are vanishing small.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: will on September 14, 2020
If nophead would like to provide his apartment address in LG Iím sure quite a crowd would turn up for Covid party.Preferably while he is away.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: Georgie on September 14, 2020
I don't like the face masks at all they make you feel hot and breathe less

On the market stall they were visors which I bought one and they are 110 percent better

No sure of the safety though
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on September 14, 2020
Unfortunately visors are not allowed as a substitute for a mask in Tenerife.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: unhappy on September 15, 2020
You 2 take the biscuit one day you might catch this virus and when you are ITU on a ventilator you might think, although that mask was uncomfortable I wished I had warn it.

And nophead don't give me the crap about it does not help those that wear them, the scientific advice is it can help wearing one
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on September 15, 2020
Maybe if you wear it properly but nobody does and no substitute for social distancing. Do you all follow these instructions religiously like your life depends on it?
Not very practical when you have to wear it all day when out and about and keep taking it on and off in bars and restaurants.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: unhappy on September 15, 2020
Common sense, you could use disposable ones or take sanitizer with you, but that would cost a few pennies extra, Oh that was daft of me to suggest that to you.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on September 15, 2020
Personally I find it impossible to stop touching my face as it is an unconscious reflex action. And if you watch people of TV they always touch their mask as it slips down their nose while talking. Most people here wear them round their necks in between shops.

In Spain you have to put it on in a bar when you are not eating or drinking, so between each course and each beer. So each time you would be faffing about with plastic bags and hand sanitiser.  I don't think so, especially after a few beers. On the other hand the WHO say not to take it on and off.

I prefer the UK where I don't need to wear a mask outside or in a bar. Outside is no problem as I keep 2m distance and not had a problem in six months. In a bar I accept the small risk of catching it because the risk is much less than the chance I will be dead in a year's time.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: Georgie on September 15, 2020
Whilst I am no expert in face mask and don't want to contradict staff in chemist and supermarkets near us are wearing the same visor that I bought
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: Georgie on September 15, 2020
Even the chancellor of the exchequer in the mail had the same visor on that I purchased
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on September 15, 2020
In the UK staff in shops, pubs and restaurants can wear whatever they want or no mask at all. I have seen a complete mixture, some wear a mask over their mouth but not their nose. Some wear tiny plastic visors over their nose and mouth, most wear nothing.

In Spain it has to be a proper mask with some filtration properties to a standard, although in practice I have seen the plain cloth designer ones used.

Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: unhappy on September 16, 2020
So OK, you 2 wont wear a mask, we have got that so I am sure the rest of the posters on here along with myself have had enough.

Just one other thing, I don't think we will ever meet, but should we, don't be offended if I tell you to pi55 off
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: blarer on September 16, 2020
is there any point in this web site anymore ? There are at least 2 others that actually have interesting information about what's going on in the area we love to visit.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: pilgrim on September 16, 2020
Rumours of another lockdown here in UK in October if rising Covid trend continues!
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on September 16, 2020
What type of mask you have to wear, when you have to wear it and how effective it might be at protecting you seems totally relevant in a discussion titled "Restrictions" to me.

Yes with schools open it has gone crazy in the UK because with 1 in 1400 of the population having it most schools are more than likely to have cases. Also with everybody isolated for so long they are all getting colds to confuse the issue.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: SandyLea on September 16, 2020
I won't wear a mask, hence I've stopped going into shops and have cancelled my el sombrero holiday for December. I agree with nophead. Masks are useless as 99 per cent of population don't wear them correctly.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: Georgie on September 16, 2020
Sorry unhappy but I will always wear a mask but find them very uncomfortable to wear that is why I am using the visor instead
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: Georgie on September 16, 2020
Blarer

If everything is closed and there are no holidays the only thing we discuss is the recent upgrades to the area and the proposed car park in the pablado marinero area

Please let me know what else is happening

Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: unhappy on September 16, 2020
I was hoping this mask subject would be finished but alas

nophead, you are so clever you don't even realise to wear a mask is to try and safe guard others.

Sandy Lea, I am sure the people in Tenerife are glad of your decision, & what are you going to do if it is made law in the UK or Tenerife

Georgie, why do you want the information, like Sandy Lea you also have cancelled your booking.

My wife & myself, can not wait to have our 3 months in Tenerife if we are allowed

And finally will somebody please close this mask subject
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: SandyLea on September 16, 2020
I'm sure the people of Tenerife do want us. If they don't have us tourists, what do they have - bananas???
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: angiebabes on September 16, 2020
I won't wear a mask, hence I've stopped going into shops and have cancelled my el sombrero holiday for December. I agree with nophead. Masks are useless as 99 per cent of population don't wear them correctly.

If you didnít wear a mask correctly in Tenerife a hefty fine might concentrate your mind.
 I wear a mask, both in Tenerife and Uk because if I have Covid and am asymtomatic or if it is discovered in two or three months time that wearing one limits your chances of catching the virus then I figure I've lost nothing, And in the meantime, I am doing everything I can to ensure I donít infect someone else. Doesnít cause me inconvenience, doesnít bother me to wear a mask even in 40į in Tenerife compared with what damage I may be inflicting on someone else. Iím not a scientist, epidemiologist, virologist or in any way qualified medically so I am ignorant and therefore respect the advice from people more qualified than myself.

Iím over 70, have buried a daughter at 32, have a husband with Alzheimerís and so daily I do everything I can to make life a bit easier. Wearing a mask compared to daily problems is such a minor inconvenience I canít be doing with all this chest thumping about how hard it is to wear a piece of material across your nose and mouth, and yes I do have asthma before anyone else starts. For heavenís sake, how do you think people managed in ww2, or cope now in some of these countries where war ravaged your homes and very existence. What a load of wimps weíve bred, who find wearing a mask so uncomfortable, against their human rights etc.etc. MAN UP, GET A GRIP and stop winging.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: blarer on September 16, 2020
well said Angiebabes.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on September 16, 2020
Yes I know they are mainly to protect others, that is what surgical masks are designed for, but I was replying to:

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And nophead don't give me the crap about it does not help those that wear them, the scientific advice is it can help wearing one

So make up your mind.

They make some sense in places you can't distance and that is where we have to wear them in the UK. Shops and public transport, etc. They don't make sense outside if you can distance.

In bars and restaurants you have to remove them to eat and drink, so not much point in wearing them in the brief periods in between. People don't need to go into bars and restaurants if they want to avoid catching it. Those are the only places I go I consider there is some risk.  People who are vulnerable should avoid them.

angiebabes, sorry to hear about your daughter and husband. Both my parents had dementia and my father had Alzheimerís when he was younger than I am now, when I was in my teens. It's a much bigger problem than Covid and it is far more likely that or cancer will kill us but governments don't put anything like the money or effort into finding cures. I wonder why.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: LucyW on September 16, 2020
Sandy Lea, as a resident of LG for more than 25 years I can assure you that we would love to welcome back the tourists but just not you and Nophead with your negative opinionated attitudes.





Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: Tanemera on September 19, 2020
Having started this topic with a question which was fully answered by AngieBabes, it is sad to see that the thread has deteriorated into a childish slanging match between a few clowns, as has also happened with other threads.  I have a feeling that a lot of regular contributors have already given up on this forum because of these few.  If you guys have nothing helpful to say, please shut up!
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: pilgrim on September 19, 2020
Bring on the clowns    as along as their wearing masks!
Lighten up Lady! This Covid still got a lot of mileage in it - unfortunately, any banta has to be good!!
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: pilgrim on September 19, 2020
Although virus rates are increasing, the deaths are not following, which indicates that the virus which mutates all the time may have mutated to a less series strain. Which perhaps could be considered more Flu like, so to speak. Think we should go for a Sweden type road map! Let it do it's stuff! And if you are of a certain age or have other health issues, please be careful. But I would make wearing a mask compulsery!
I thing the EU have shrinked Boris's balls. Lets hope he gets them back and sacks those over cautious medical advisors who cannot be proved wrong! Unless the 500,000 die!!!! that was with no lockdown!!
Really!!!
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: unhappy on September 19, 2020
Tanemera, you were happy to post when I raised the problem of Travel Insurance, along with others, now because your post was answered by Angibabes you expect nobody else to have any input.

You will see that I did not get involved for 5 days after your initial post, but after suffering the posts of one self opinionated person started about Covid and us buggers are going to die anyway, I felt as being one of those old buggers I had a right of reply.

Some people you agree with some you don't, some posts are informative some are downright stupid but hayho that's life again.

When somebody posts offensive or stupid comments,  I feel I have a right of reply
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on September 20, 2020
I think you have posted the most offensive and stupid comments of anybody.

When I suggested the rules are daft because I can do more now when the local rate is ten times higher here than it was when I couldn't you think that is raving lunacy. Why?

If government rules made sense surely I should be able to do less now rates are 10 times higher but I can now socialise with 5 other people from different households, whereas in the summer I could not socialise outside my household and before that I could only socialise with one other household.  If you think that makes sense and I don't, who is the stupid one?
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: unhappy on September 21, 2020
Your opinion NOT the majorities, most people comply with the Governments ADVICE
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: blarer on September 21, 2020
Nopheads onions are the only ones that matter.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on September 21, 2020
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Nopheads onions are the only ones that matter.

I wouldn't say that. We did have a good crop this year but I used the last one in a curry last night, so will have to buy them from now on.

unhappy, we have always followed the government rules, but we don't know a single other person that has. All our friends, family and neighbours break them. Mainly because they have children and grandchildren, so they mind them, or have celebratory meals for graduations, birthdays, etc.

What I said where the rules are stupid because as our numbers increase they allow more social freedom. Do the majority actually think that makes sense? If so I despair at the lack of logical reasoning.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: Georgie on September 21, 2020
Just in case I am going out tomorrow to buy toilet rolls and tins of soup and tomatoes xx
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: pilgrim on September 22, 2020
Were just booking flights out for next month. But with these new restrictions have decided to leave it again.
Really need to get out to pay some bills and get some sun now that it looks like we are entering the Autumn/winter here. Limbo is a word that comes to mind!
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: Samijoe on September 22, 2020
Jet2 suspended flights again. Not sure if we will book with them for December. Might trust Ryanair again, at least they got us here. A few more younger couples walking around last night and this morning. Hope that people of all ages start to return soon as there might not be many more businesses able to survive.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: Georgie on September 23, 2020
Sorry everyone just found out from my yearly check up that visors are no good but wear a face mask

Back to face masks
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: pilgrim on September 25, 2020
Is the mobile phone/top up shop run by Juan still open in Porto Santiago?
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: angiebabes on September 25, 2020
Yes heís still there and helpful as always
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: pilgrim on September 26, 2020
Masks! I have had trouble shopping with my wife due to wearing a mask! I find them uncomfortable and also the elastic straps around my ears annoying! My wife picked up a couple in Pound Land. Well their great, black very light fabric like tights material and stretchty. No elastic as 2 holes precut in to fabric for your ears.
So light and easy to wear that I am completley okay with wearing a mask now!
It is worth trying a few types to get one that suits you!
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on September 26, 2020
You can wear any face covering in the UK but for Spain it is supposed to be a proper mask that actually filters. No idea how well that is policed.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: pilgrim on September 26, 2020
was going to book for late October, but have read that Easyjet close to collapse, and also worried that could be caught in a new Spanish lockdown, and having to self isolate on return to UK. So many variables!
Think maybe the best to continue to wait and if we go, book the flights the day before! Just fancy a bit of sun and LG!
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: angiebabes on September 26, 2020
You can wear any face covering in the UK but for Spain it is supposed to be a proper mask that actually filters. No idea how well that is policed.

Not in Tenerife it isnít! As long as the mask covers nose and mouth snuggly now problem.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on September 26, 2020
We booked EasyJet flights flights for November in March as a gamble. As we get nearer the uncertainty is going up rather than down. Regulations and case trends change nearly every day.

I got an email from them a few days ago saying our return flight in December was a few hours earlier. Perhaps they consolidated some flights due to lack of passengers.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: linda on October 01, 2020
They have
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Post by: unhappy on October 01, 2020
Received an email today from Tui our holiday due to fly out 20th this month, they say there is no air bridge so they can not guarantee our holiday

What this must also mean that the airlines & tour companies who are offering flights & holidays even now know that they have now way of  knowing if they can fly.
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Post by: nophead on October 01, 2020
Was that also the case when you booked it or did it close after?
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Post by: angiebabes on October 01, 2020
Received an email today from Tui our holiday due to fly out 20th this month, they say there is no air bridge so they can not guarantee our holiday

What this must also mean that the airlines & tour companies who are offering flights & holidays even now know that they have now way of  knowing if they can fly.

Oh no! Iím so sorry to read this unhappy. Iím thinking of delaying until 4/12 to our apartment as we were in Tenerife for 10months earlier but first frost will have me saying we should have gone sooner. I do hope you get fixed up, have you got friends who would rent to you and do your flights separate?
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Post by: unhappy on October 01, 2020
We only booked the holiday on the 24/09/20 a week ago, they must have known then that there was no air bridge

Tui & Ryanair were offering flights & holidays but Jet2 are now only offering anything from mid October, so be aware that without an air bridge they can not fly.

Myself I would call it fraud, they have offered my something they knew they could not supply, but knowing the Travel Industry they will get away with it.
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Post by: nophead on October 01, 2020
Yes it was pretty obvious there wouldn't be one then. The numbers are on the way down mostly but nowhere near the 20 limit and it would also need a government concession to treat Tenerife different from Spain, and even some of the other Canaries.

The best hope seems to be testing at the airport funded by Tenerife, but even then it needs the UK government to accept that and it would be no means certain.
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Post by: pilgrim on October 01, 2020
Things may yet change! I thought I read somewhere today (although I cannot find it now!) that a European country is opening an air bridge to Tenerife.
Anyways!!!! Unhappy I have said before to you? You need to change your call sign - it's bad Karma!
Say - would you open a village bar called C rap times.   Change it Unhappy    Things will improve!!
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Post by: nophead on October 01, 2020
I think Germany has a limit of 50, so they might open one long before the UK does and get all the sunbeds.

The UK limit of 20 doesn't make much sense now the UK is well above that itself.  You should be able to go anywhere that is lower than at home without quarantine.
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Post by: linda on October 02, 2020
Tui are operating from Germany 7 flights a week  to all canaries starting Saturday.Belgium happy to allow flying to Tenerife .UK need to sort themselves out.
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Post by: unhappy on October 02, 2020
It could be Spain that has stopped the air bridge because of the rise of covid in the UK.

We know when we caught the Wizz Air flight in May, the first flight out after we were left stranded, a Government tried to stop the flight 4 times before it landed, but we could not find out which one it was.
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Post by: Samijoe on October 02, 2020
While we were in LG and surrounding area we were pleased to see the level of adherence to wearing masks, hand hygiene etc. Different story in the airport. People of all ages Ďforgettingí to wear mask until staff reminded them, shouting and swearing as they joined check in and queuing for toilets on plane even though regular announcements were made. A few spoil things for the majority of us. Doubt these same people will be bothered about quarantine.
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Post by: cs on October 04, 2020
Flew from East Midlands today, the airport was quiet, there were only about 50 on the flight and everyone was well spaced out. Tenerife airport was quiet too, we breezed through the health check and immigration and our luggage was on the carousel by the time we got there. No queue at car hire and we were driving away less than 30 minutes after we arrived. Really looking forward to spending the few weeks supporting the local restaurants and bars
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Post by: pilgrim on October 04, 2020
Well done, and keep us posted with what is open and how they are getting on in these strange times!
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Post by: Samijoe on October 04, 2020
Wish we were still there. The restaurants,bars and shops all need increased revenue. Bought things we would not usually buy just to give some support to the hard working people trying to make a living. Definitely going back in
December regardless of quarantine restrictions.
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Post by: pilgrim on October 04, 2020
Putting us off coming out is the 14 day quarantine on return. We run a business so may need to attend to something! If it were 7 days I would be happy to come out. Let's say I return from Tenerife, showing no temp. and on day 5 of our return I get a Covid test, 48 hours later (day 7) shows negative! I as a responsible person with my covid negative passport should be able to go out and do my business!
What do you think!   
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Post by: Samijoe on October 05, 2020
Totally agree. The quarantine period is like everything else at the minute , a number pulled out of nowhere. In a few days time I can imagine we will be going stir crazy and desperate to get out and about. Fingers crossed that the 14 day rule is reviewed soon.
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Post by: nophead on October 05, 2020
The issues with testing after 5 days are who is going to pay for it when it costs more than the airfare? And the test is only about 70% accurate for a positive.

Medics need two negative tests a few days apart before they can go back to work. My nephew, who is a doctor, missed being able to visit his father before he died because his second test didn't come back in time while isolating after being exposed to it at work even with the date of exposure being known.
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Post by: angiebabes on October 05, 2020
When is a test not a test?

When itís not accurate.

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Post by: unhappy on October 05, 2020
CS, who did you fly with & was it a holiday booking or just flights. We live by EMA or BHX same distance to both
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Post by: nophead on October 05, 2020
Apparently no medical tests are 100% accurate with a certain percentage of false negatives and positives. Depending on how many tests are done, the prevalence of the disease and the false rate, some can do more harm than good.

For covid the chance of getting a false negative varies according to which day you are on after initial infection. Too early or too late there is not enough virus present. Or the swab might not be inserted far enough, etc.

False positives include cases where people have had it in the recent past but are no longer infectious but dead virus fragments can trigger a positive.

The PCR test works by doing a number of cycles to amplify the virus DNA to a detectable level. The number of cycles sets the sensitivity of the test and is a balance between false negative and false positive. I.e. you think it gives a binary yes or no but that is only after a chosen number of cycles, so it is actually more analogue.
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Post by: Samijoe on October 05, 2020
Unhappy, we had flights only with Ryanair and our flights were about 70% full. They fly from most airports.Arriving home the airport checks are much quicker than usual as so few passengers. As long as the electronic health form is completed correctly even that isnít an issue. Did see a couple of idiots who had not followed the guidance and were then kicking up a fuss. In my opinion flying at the minute is more enjoyable than usual.
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Post by: nophead on October 05, 2020
Are the bars, cafes and shops open in the airport?
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Post by: cs on October 05, 2020
Unhappy - we must be from the same neck of the woods, we flew with Ryanair, flight only, duty free, WH Smith and bars and restaurants were open
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Post by: Samijoe on October 05, 2020
Everything open in Tenerife South, once you get through security. You can pay cash or by card.
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Post by: angiebabes on October 05, 2020
Anyone any knowledge of any inflight crew being struck down with Covid as flying is deemed so risky? When we flew back from Tenerife in August, I spoke to the cabin crew and none of them had been infected, just interested?
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Post by: unhappy on October 05, 2020
Thanks CS, I thought it was with Ryanair as Tui & Jet2 are not flying until later this month.

The crazy thing is to fly with them now to TFS from EMA really good flight times, the price £36.98 return each, madness how can they make that pay.
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Post by: Georgie on October 05, 2020
Should we stay at home and support our own business

Is that why we voted Brexit

Sorry but we must think about this issue
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Post by: unhappy on October 05, 2020
We stay in the UK most of the year supporting businesses & when we fly out on holiday we support taxi's, airports & travel companies.

As for Brexit we think you will find most people who voted to leave were sick & tired of being told what to do by the EU when most of the Countries in the EU did not conform to their own laws but expected the UK too & that is from experience running my own Company with their stupid red tape.
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Post by: pilgrim on October 05, 2020
Trump is going home to the Whitehouse after being hospitalised with Covid. Boris could have died. That was 9/10 months earlier in the year. This tells me that the virus has mutated to a weaker strain, more like an annual flu. I think also that God maybe showing us that Trump is showing us the correct way and we need to follow him and urge any septics (septic tanks - yanks) that they should vote to return him to office.
Live and let live!! Up the revolution!!
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Post by: nophead on October 05, 2020
Not necessarily. Most people that catch it don't die from it, even when old and fat. You have to be unlucky as well.
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Post by: unhappy on October 06, 2020
Perhaps the NHS the doctors & nurses have a better handle on the virus now & some drugs that don't cure the infection but help ease the illness.

As for trump, I thought my wife had the perfect diagnosis, she said he must have the virus he can't smell his bull sh1t anymore.
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Post by: unhappy on October 08, 2020
Looks like our visit to Tenerife this month is off, rang Tui today after the email they sent last week about the air bridge, they can not tell me if it is going or not, although Ryanair are still flying, must be short of a few bob after paying all those customers back that he thought he did not have too.

Jet2 are now not flying until the 1st November, but the way this virus is spreading again across the world it looks like we are going to be back in total lock down again fairly soon.
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Post by: nophead on October 08, 2020
EasyJet are still flying at the moment. According to flightradar the Manchester flight is just about to land at TFS.

I got a second email from them saying our November flight out is later in the day. So our trip is getting slightly shorter at each end, if it flies at all.

In the meantime there is a petition to sign if you want all this nonsense to stop. https://gbdeclaration.org/
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Post by: pilgrim on October 08, 2020
Thanks Nophead! Signed
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Post by: Foxy on October 09, 2020
Couldn't agree more with the Declaration  - also signed
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Post by: janey on October 09, 2020
signed
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Post by: Samijoe on October 09, 2020
Just signed it. So has hubby and 2 friends.
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Post by: Georgie on October 09, 2020
It might get worse

The volcano in Iceland is due to erupt again

Remember 2011 when all flights were grounded
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Post by: unhappy on October 09, 2020
By your term " nonsense ", I expect your advice is capistious to all the medical people that know this virus is uncontrollable and a mass killer, ( Trump is looking for a right or left hand assistant all his are dropping like flies ) I would apply if I was you.

My wife & myself would like to thank you for the possible death sentence by yours & others irresponsible actions.

WE WILL NOT BE SIGNING.

And Georgie you have been so quite we thought you had been looking for your brain, alas NO. 
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Post by: nophead on October 09, 2020
I don't know what "capistious" means but the petition was started by medical and public health scientists and medical practitioners and 5,957 of the former and 12,182 of the latter have signed it.

Yes the virus is uncontrollable, so it is futile to try to control it and massively damaging to health, education and the economy.

It isn't a mass killer because worst case it will kill less than 1% of the population. Most of the other 99% will die from one of the mass killers, which are cancer, heart disease and dementia plus the other far more dangerous things like air pollution.
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Post by: Georgie on October 09, 2020
Unhappy

My brain

You are joking about the serious of this situation

Sorry but strange xx
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Post by: unhappy on October 10, 2020
That's odd just had the news where all the medical people are now asking for it to be made law to wear a mask at work.

What you along with others are proposing is we do nothing and let this virus infect the whole world uncontrolled, billions of people.

How do you expect this little country the UK to cope, the NHS could not cope in March & April with just a few hundred thousand infected, what do they do when there are millions, how will it cope then & and what will that do to our economy.

We still have no idea how bad this can get, we now have what they are calling Long Covid where people who had a very minor infection but months later are having serious health problems, in fact I saw one young woman who said she had caught the virus twice months apart, the second time causing her serious health problems.

Along with my wife we will take every precaution we can to avoid catching or spreading this virus, if that means wearing a mask which we had done since we were in lockdown in February in Tenerife, before we got home & have done ever since then.

Don't forget wearing a mask is to safeguard other people not just yourself, even now when the pubs are closing we are seeing people mixing & drinking in the streets, until people realise & behave responsable this virus will carry on spreading, how are these eminent doctors going to control that with their petition.
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Post by: pilgrim on October 10, 2020
Hi Unhappy, A very good article in the femail yesterday, sorry daily mail!
I imagine Unhappy you may be in your late 60's or early 70's.
Not having the article in front of me, the average mortality age here in UK is 81.5 years.
The average age for death related to Covid 19 is 82.5 years.
So simplistically the poor buggers who have succumbed to the Virus are already past their Sell By Date.
You are younger, so should be fine!!!
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Post by: nophead on October 10, 2020
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how are these eminent doctors going to control that with their petition?

The point is they don't need to. Like all previous diseases the world carries on and the population acquires immunity and the few that don't exit exit stage left.

Millions won't get ill at the same in the UK because most people don't get ill and it takes months to ripple through. Anybody that doesn't fancy their chances needs to keep out of the way.

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Post by: unhappy on October 10, 2020
Yes Pilgrim they may be the facts now with the Government trying to steem the infection, we saw by them doing the lockdown they were able to control the spread.

If people do not act responsibly the virus will spread even worse and it wont be just the old buggers that die it will be many more others & the Government will be forced in to another lockdown nationwide

Do nothing like the idiot Manchester Mayor wants, it is easy criticising the Government he should be telling his flock to act responsibly to try and stop the spread.

And as for taking facts from newspapers forget it.
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Post by: unhappy on October 10, 2020
nophead, you must tell me where you got you crystal ball from, your comment is stupid.
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Post by: nophead on October 10, 2020
What is stupid about it? Most people, more than 70% have no symptoms at all. Most of the rest have mild symptoms. 10% have had it already. Where is the crystal ball needed?

Even if everybody got it at the same time you would struggle to hit one million with more than a cold, let alone millions. And as long as the old people stay out of the way it wouldn't be a big problem.

Anyway 18,000 much more qualified people than you or me think the same way. Are they all stupid?



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Post by: unhappy on October 10, 2020
Yes I do think they are stupid, why do you think most of the world brought in lockdowns to stop the spread, those that did not suffered the consequences, the virus out of control.

As for your obnoxious suggestion old people should stay out of the way, it is not us that are spreading the virus its the young and irresponsible morons like you.
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Post by: angiebabes on October 10, 2020
What is stupid about it? Most people, more than 70% have no symptoms at all. Most of the rest have mild symptoms. 10% have had it already. Where is the crystal ball needed?

Even if everybody got it at the same time you would struggle to hit one million with more than a cold, let alone millions. And as long as the old people stay out of the way it wouldn't be a big problem.

Anyway 18,000 much more qualified people than you or me think the same way. Are they all stupid?

I read your post with interest and am by no way educated in figures, computers or algorithms. Can you please tell me- you state more than 70% have no symptoms and 10% have already had it -
Then it figures 70% might not have a clue whether theyíve had it or not, so no one can say 10% have had it, as none of us are tested daily, weekly or some of us never! The figure could be much much higher.

No figures are accurate or can be anything like accurate unless every single person is tested daily, or at least weekly to ascertain
If theyíve got it
If theyíve had it

Until then, from what you state, you contradict yourself on claims as we donít have the necessary information on which to base any percentages,

Track and trace is vital, yet hundreds of small, independent laboratories that could and should have been utilised, have been ignored at the cost of actually getting accurate figures from which to make an informed action plan.

In the meantime, as you work your graphs out on information gleaned from the press etc., I question what accuracy you can appoint to any figures relating to covid?
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Post by: nophead on October 10, 2020
The figures come from articles published by the BBC and the government.

The Office for National Statistics send out well over 100,000 tests to random people and ask them if they have symptoms. Then they work out how many test positive and with antibody tests also test how many have had it in the past. They publish the results every week on a Thursday.




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Post by: angiebabes on October 10, 2020
To date both here,up  north and in wales I havenít met anyone, not one single person who has received these tests, either for antibodies or anything else! Rather like checking you are quarantining, nothing happens to many people! Shambles!
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Post by: Georgie on October 10, 2020
My wife and myself have not received these letters

But our sons have

Not sure what that means
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Post by: unhappy on October 10, 2020
All I can say is my wife, myself and all our friends who happen to be in nopheads classification of old buggers that should be dead, do not know anybody who has caught Covid.

Perhaps we take our responsibility to safeguard ourselves and others more than he does, so get on with your sad life, with your graphs, saving money and telling everybody what to do, we will enjoy ourselves hopefully in Tenerife in a couple of weeks, and hopefully you will not be there.

Georgie work it out, its "random" if you are not thick you are stupid.
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Post by: angiebabes on October 10, 2020
The figures come from articles published by the BBC and the government.

The Office for National Statistics send out well over 100,000 tests to random people and ask them if they have symptoms. Then they work out how many test positive and with antibody tests also test how many have had it in the past. They publish the results every week on a Thursday.

ďAsk them if they have symptomsĒ

But you say 70% donít have symptoms, so how reliable is that??.?
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Post by: pilgrim on October 10, 2020
Unhappy, you mention "all our friends".
Really!! do you pay them? or do they see you for the rudeness, maybe they derive some fun out of it!!
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Post by: nophead on October 10, 2020
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But you say 70% don’t have symptoms, so how reliable is that??.?

They test them as well. If the are positive but don't have symptoms then they know how many have it without noticing. Presumably they also ask if they had symptoms in the past and compare that with antibody test result as well.

In other instances a whole factory might get tested if there is an outbreak and again they find lots of positives in people with no symptoms. Even in some care homes half of the most frail have tested positive with no symptoms. The same with health service workers and care home staff that get tested regularly.

It is a generally accepted fact internationally that only about 30% of people that test positive have symptoms.

The ONS test about 160,000 a week so that is only one in 412 of the population each week, so not many of us will come across someone that has been tested randomly. More likely to come across some with it at the moment as that is around 1 in 200. I have heard of someone knowing someone that has had a random test.

The ONS are professional statisticians so they state the level of uncertainty in all their results. Of course it won't be spot on but the sample size is very large and they do it every week, so it is a good measure of what is going on.

And it wasn't me that started referring to "old buggers". I only said it in reply to someones else's comment.

But when the average age of people that die with covid is higher than the average life expectancy, what does that say?
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Post by: unhappy on October 11, 2020
Pilgrim, pot calling the kettle black again, as for my friends there are about 6 couples really close friends we have known each other for almost 60 years I was best man for 2 of them, we still go out for meals, bbqs, dinner parties and celebrations, as for my rudeness, I call a spade a spade if you don't like it, don't read my posts.
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Post by: pilgrim on October 11, 2020
Blee din Racist as well!!
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Post by: unhappy on October 11, 2020
Obvious as thick as Georgie
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Post by: pilgrim on October 11, 2020
Unhappy!! Infamy Infamy you have a persecution complex!!  Mention to your many friends, that someone said you have that complex. And ask them what they think!  Might be a shock to you!
Hope your keeping well!
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Post by: unhappy on October 12, 2020
Can I ask my black relatives as well ?
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Post by: pilgrim on October 12, 2020
My wife and I were both born in Brixton, so much more likely that we may have black relatives! Yours probably come from the Black Country!
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Post by: Georgie on October 12, 2020
Unhappy I have a masters degree in maths

And please please dont talk about people and color otherwise I will set up another site and ban you
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Post by: Georgie on October 12, 2020
Unhappy we class you at work in riming slang as a merchant banker
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Post by: Georgie on October 12, 2020
And sorry for the rant but we have visited los gigantes for a number of years now and found everyone lovely and friendly

Thinking of you around I think you are in the wrong part of the island
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Post by: unhappy on October 12, 2020
Reply to you 2 merchant bankers, we have never lived anywhere near the black country, sounds a little racist to me.

As for having a masters degree in maths, are they still using the abacus there, also its a pity they could not teach you to spell, and this is from a lad who failed his 11+, also my best friend & yes I was his best man, was a genius at maths, he never went to university, became a senior partner in one of the largest accountancy companies in the world, is now the MD of 12 companies worth millions, ( done a little bit better than you at adding up ) 

Also my wife visited Los Gigantes when the only properties that had been built were the los gigs hotel & a couple of villas, that is why over 35 years ago we went back and purchased property there, so we think we know a little more than somebody that can add 2+2=? about the area.

And as for your threats, bring it on, idiots like you who think just because you have a degree you are clever, try starting from nothing, leaving a job that I had just moved up into management, starting from the shop floor with the biggest American Company in the Industry and then decided to start my own company, that I then sold for a hansom profit, your a pussycat, a thick one YES.
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Post by: pilgrim on October 12, 2020
Unhappy, not wanting to spoil your business genius. Did you not say that you no longer own a property in Los Gigantes, and have had to down size twice at home in the UK in recent years!
A very successful person I know, said to me, that when someone is being an arse or trying to put you down.
The most satisfaction you can have is quietly knowing that you can buy and sell them.
I think I will be quiet.
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Post by: unhappy on October 12, 2020
Dream on, we have down sized 3 times, the first time the castle was to far from the airport the other times & selling my business & our properties was because our son died, leaving just the 2 of us, smart arse
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Post by: Georgie on October 13, 2020
I was brought up in the east end in council flats which I am very happy with for a good grounding

I was lucky to get a scholarship for maths and yes my English has always been bad

You have never lived in the east end and it sounds like you had a privilege life

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Post by: angiebabes on October 13, 2020
I was brought up in the east end in council flats which I am very happy with for a good grounding

I was lucky to get a scholarship for maths and yes my English has always been bad

You have never lived in the east end and it sounds like you had a privilege life

How crass can you be GEORGIE?  Didnít you read Unhappyísí post?!!

How can anyone have had a privileged life when theyíve buried their own child?

I do wonder at some people sometimes!
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Post by: unhappy on October 14, 2020
Thanks angiebabes, don't worry he does not know any better.

Georgie, just to put the record straight about my privileged upbringing, I also lived in a small council house with my 2 sisters, a brother and my mom and dad in one of the worst areas of Birmingham, an area that they dumped all those that did not pay their council rent.

My dad was a toolmaker, my mom was a power press operator a job that was very physical and she wreaked of suds oil every night she came home, they both worked full time and never missed paying their rent or buying anything on tick. My mom was not very bright but then she left school at 12 to go into service so did not get the right education, my dad passed to go to Grammar School, but his parents, his dad a miner in Mountain Ash could not afford to send him.

The school I went to was crap in fact when I left it after failing my 11+, and moved to the senior school they told me I was 2 years behind what the school should have been teaching us, but one thing my dad always taught me was never give up just try harder, very good advice.

I do now have a privileged life, my wife and I have no money worries although we do not have our only child our son, we do have his daughter our lovely granddaughter who spends most weekends with us, she is not spoiled, but if she needs something for school which she now needs a computer with a detachable screen we will buy her one.

I worked bloody hard all my life, I left school at 15 and retired at 69 my first job was 8.00 to 6.00 five days a week, sat 8.00 to 12.00 on top of that 2 hours bus ride each day, no doubt others worked just or even harder, something the youth of today should try instead of going to university getting some crappy degree that they will never use and then expecting the country to owe them something.

I hope now you will stop asking stupid questions "but I doubt it "
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Post by: nophead on October 14, 2020
Not all degrees are crappy stuff that never gets used. I did computer engineering that covered both electronics and software, which I used throughout my career and even now in my hobbies since retiring.

Some of the stuff like studying magnetic core stores went completely out of date, and in fact was already when I studied it, but the principles of magnetic hysteresis curves are still useful to know now when using transformers and inductors, and even the 3D printer I am working on at the moment, which uses an electropermanent magnet.

It is not for everyone, and some people can be self taught, but higher education is definitely needed if the country is to be competitive in science and technology.
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Post by: unhappy on October 14, 2020
As a qualified engineer I understand about education, but 2 of our friends children went to university one obtained a degree in Spanish one in Geography they ended up working in shops, what a waste ?.

When your talking about curves, my wife wont mind me saying hers have got a little larger, like my stomach in the last few years, I blame the vino, but we still go to the gym, even though we have sold the castle.
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Post by: blarer on October 14, 2020
What a sad site this has become. Sticking to Que Pasa from now on.
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Post by: unhappy on October 14, 2020
What do you want us to discuss, The weather ???????
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Post by: Georgie on October 14, 2020
It is not pleasant at all

Some seem to twist words and posts

Do I really want to drink with some of these people
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Post by: Samijoe on October 14, 2020
In my very humble opinion, I think some of you need to get back to LG and you will immediately become happier and less stressed. Everyone we saw and spoke to during our stay all agreed itís so much easier to live in the wonderful climate and warmth of the village. Our quarantine hasnít been too bad. Totally understand some people cannot afford to do this, and it has affected our income. However if we donít get over again this year itís been worth it. We all have stories of loss and hard times, those who donít are lucky. Letís all hope those of us who return can have a drink with others who enjoy similar simple pleasures. Itís fun guessing who might be behind the comments being posted 😉
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Post by: Georgie on October 15, 2020
What a lovely post
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Post by: losgiganteskid on October 16, 2020
Itís fun guessing who might be behind the comments being posted 😉

Who is behind Georgie ??

Answers please on a postcard addressed to Unhappy c/o Los Gigantes PO Box 472 Tenerife C.I.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: unhappy on October 16, 2020
No thanks, I get enough crap mail already, they could always send it to you
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: angiebabes on October 16, 2020
GEORGIE - my granny used to say - ďself praise is no recommendationĒ!
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: Samijoe on October 16, 2020
I think Georgie was referring to my message. Might be wrong, but some are quick to put him/her down. I repeat that you need to get back and soak in some sunshine and relaxing atmosphere. Stop trying to antagonise each other- unless you are all friends and enjoy the sparring. 🧐
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: unhappy on October 17, 2020
The chance would be a good thing, just received 2 emails from Tui last night, the first telling me about my booking on the 20th, that I must get my boarding cards and fill in the Spanish registration form within 48 hours of travelling thats Tuesday, the second email 1 hour later saying my holiday had been cancelled, "and they say the Government don't know what they are doing about the virus".

What I do not understand at this precise moment there are 3 primary airlines BA, Easyjet & Ryanair who also sell holidays flying from all over the UK in to Tenerife. There are 2 holiday companies Tui & Jet2 who also sell flights, who keep cancelling everything, one of our friends if on his 5th holiday booking with Jet2 the other 4 being cancelled

When Tui sent me the first email last week & I only booked the holiday on the 24/09 they told me my holiday might not go ahead because there were no flight corridors, obviously a lie as the other airlines were using them.

I also rang them this week to get more information & raised the point about the excuse of no air corridors, when other airlines were clearly flying. I was told to read all their terms & conditions, they said it states that they will not travel against FCO advice, when I asked why they brought in covid cover to travel for that very reason they could not answer that & referred me to their booking conditions again, another con just to get some cash in to help their cash flow.

The last laughable thing they have offered me £500 extra free on a holiday booking, the only place above what we have already paid and with any winter sun is Mexico, where covid is much worse that the Canaries, no thanks I will have my money back.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on October 17, 2020
As I said before: by "flight corridors" they mean a bilateral agreement between countries to allow travel without quarantine and without advice not to go. They don't mean open airspace as the airspaces have never been closed.

So airlines can operate flights to Tenerife if the choose to but will not get many passengers while there isn't a flight corridor. Also EasyJet and RyanAir tend to do just flights. If it is a package with TUI they have far more responsibility over your welfare while there and have to provide rep service, etc. I can see they would be on a sticky wicket if they provide holidays against government advice and something went wrong.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: unhappy on October 17, 2020
There is no way airlines will fly if it is not economically viable, as I have said in the past my wife was in the tourist Industry, in fact one of her jobs was to obtain charter aircraft should one be needed that was over 25 years ago, the cost of a passenger jet then was £95000.00 a day. To day the cost must be very expensive.

Aircraft being just delayed costs thousands in charges, so there is no way they will fly empty, and that is still no excuse to sell holidays or flights that they know they can't supply.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on October 17, 2020
I don't think they knew for sure the couldn't fly when they sold it to you. A lot of people were optimistic the government would open a corridor but then Tenerife's numbers rocketed and now so have ours.

It's impossible to anticipate what is going to happen in a week's time at the moment. We are considering bolting to Tenerife because we are worried we might not be allowed to go in mid November. Probably stay there until the end of March because I think winter here is going to be dire with Covid and Brexit and this is the last year we can stay as long as we would want.

And companies may still operate at a loss if it reduces their losses compared to not operating at all. E.g. Wetherspoons reported operating at a loss but they still preferred being open to closed.

I think your best bet is to see if you can book the Royal Sun yourself and then fly with EasyJet. We used to book direct with that hotel before we bought our apartment.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: unhappy on October 17, 2020
I can book the Royal Sun or anywhere else to stay, there are some very good deals, we were going over to also view a property. As some of our investments are not returning the cost of the paper they are written on we may purchase a property again.

As we fly out of a Midlands airport Ryanair are the only ones flying, so we are going to give it a few days & follow flight radar to check that they are still flying.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: Georgie on October 21, 2020
Heathrow excellent

Lovely in Cyprus 30 degrees sitting on beach
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: Edward Bear on October 21, 2020
Why in heavens name do we want to know that when the site is about Tenerife. Grasshopper brain.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: unhappy on October 21, 2020
Careful Edward Bear, you will get him posting again & don't forget, in his eyes London is the most important place on the planet.

I wonder if he is related to Trump ?????
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: angiebabes on October 21, 2020
Heathrow excellent

Lovely in Cyprus 30 degrees sitting on beach

Youíve blown your cover now Georgie well and truly!

Nice try but eventually we knew youíd have to push things just that bit too far trying to get reactions from this forum.

Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on October 22, 2020
Have a good holiday Georgie. Did you have to get a covid test at the airport for Cyprus?
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: losjack on October 22, 2020
Canary Islands added to safe travel list. No quarantine when you return
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: Georgie on October 22, 2020
Got a test going and arriving

Could not stand the miss information on this website on what was and not happening

Needed a holiday and was worried about being beaten up by some on this website
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: losjack on October 22, 2020
I've met Miss Information, she's a lovely girl. Don't know why you can't her. She speaks well of you!!
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on October 22, 2020
Booked insurance with covid19 cover with Avanti. Not valid if against FCO advice but as of today the Canaries aren't, although the quarantine on return rule rule doesn't change until Sunday. So it changed in the nick of time for as we depart early tomorrow morning!

I read in an online paper (which I take with a pinch of salt) that the Canaries are going to bring in tests on arrival to Hotels because it would be too much of a bottleneck at the airport. Don't know where that would leave people like us that stay in our own property.



Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: pilgrim on October 22, 2020
Yeh, great news we are booked for first week November!!!!
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: pilgrim on October 22, 2020
Unhappy, when are you over to LG?
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: angiebabes on October 23, 2020
I am guessing that as things stand today, and without any clear indication of how brexit negotiations will finish, if anyone from UK is travelling to Canary Islands for a period which continues past 31/12/2020 then an international driving permit will be required as the EU will no longer accept UK driving licence? Cost is £5.50 available from Post Office (check which ones are able to issue these permits). Take your passport if using paper driving licence, plus a passport sized photograph and of course current driving licence.

I am not certain of this, but neither can the Driver and Vehicle website give clear guidance - because no one knows what will happen but if youíre in Canaries and suddenly find you need a permit, in order to get one youíd have to come back to UK from what I can understand.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: Edward Bear on October 24, 2020
What happens in reverse Angie if you have a Spanish licence and you travel to UK ?
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: angiebabes on October 24, 2020
Oh dear Edward I really donít know! Guess you need an international driving permit, but as I say, itís a guess. No one  can give me definitive advice because all these finer details havenít been discussed never mind resolved yet!

Shambles, I was hoping someone might have more information than I can find. If I find out more, Iíll  let you know edward. Stay safe xxx
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: paulaf on October 25, 2020
Can I ask a question about masks please - are many people wearing the clear face shields that rest on your chin with ear loops, not the full face visors with headband, but the style that many waiters wear in restaurants? I would have thought they're ok if they are serving food wearing this style breathing over it. I know some are in Estepona Spain but I wondered how acceptable they are there as I find even the blue surgical ones very hot after a while whereas the shields seem better. Thanks
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on October 25, 2020
Most waiters seem to wear the blue surgical ones as do we. The other common style among locals are the black cloth ones. I don't think solid visors are legal as an alternative in Spain because they don't filter they just redirect airflow.

About half of the locals don't wear them outside but 99% of the the tourists do. OK on the flat when ambling about or downhill but we have found it isn't practical to wear them when walking up the hills around LG. We live 400ft above sea level and a mile out of LG, which we walk in about 20 minutes. That needs a significant amount of oxygen, so we breath fairly hard. The mask catches all the moisture in your breath, which it has to because it is the water droplets that carry the virus. The actual virus particles on their own are so small they will pass through any filter.

So the mask soon becomes damp with heavy breathing and then it gets harder to breathe through because its pores are blocked. So you end up panting for oxygen and then it becomes soaking wet and you have to take it off to breathe. A total fail as a regulation.

Even saw locals crossing the road in front of the police station without masks.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: paulaf on October 25, 2020
Thanks nophead very interesting. We would love to come over but as we don't have to wear masks outside here it is big difference for us and my husband especially doesn't think he can wear one for several hours, as we enjoy long walks there. Are the locals getting fined or are they genuinely more relaxed about the rule there than say mainland Spain? We don't necessarily want to break the rules but if there is some leniency that is good to know. Do people give the locals that don't wear them a hard time? I asked about the plastic small shields as they are wearing them in Estepona and all the waiters in Greece where we went used them too and I thought they seemed a good alternative. Do you think the rule may be removed soon altogether as happily your case numbers are dropping? Or the opposite and will be more rigorously enforced as you now should get more tourists coming ? I know they also don't wear them in most Scandanavian countries which is a big tourist market for the Canaries so they may be put off too. Thanks
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on October 25, 2020
I don't think the rule is going to change soon because numbers are slowly climbing at the moment in Tenerife and rapidly in Spain, which may go into another state of alarm soon.

We haven't seen anybody challenged outside but we have seen someone refused entry to a restaurant to take her child to the toilet without one. 

Outside seems pretty relaxed when you can keep distance. A lot locals tend to have them around their necks and pull them up if they get close to someone. Several we have spoken to because we know them said to do that. I have no idea what the local police think but as you are allowed to do exercise without them perhaps there is a loop hole there for walking up step hills. Also no idea if the police treat locals and tourists the same. And there are three types of police in Spain and I don't really know the difference.

It really is a pain but I can see in a busy city it where you can't avoid people it makes some sense but not in LG at the moment which is very quite and is very steep. So one rule doesn't fit all.

It would have stopped me coming but my wife wanted to come and it looks like winter will be grim in the UK, so we plan to be here until March. Who knows what will happen between now and then?
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: pilgrim on October 25, 2020
Nophead, trying to work out where you live! Is it near Cueva Del Polva!
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on October 25, 2020
We are not too far from the Caves of Dust but that is quite a bit lower, closer to El Varadero. We do eat at the La Barrica restaurant there.

We are walking distance to anywhere between Santiago del Teidi and Playa San Juan, which is why masks outside are a pain. We spent a lot of time walking.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: pilgrim on October 25, 2020
Santiago del Teidi and San Juan are a long way apart, almost impossible to safely walk to! You are an Enigma! Unless you are in a mobile home I have no idea where you live!  Maybe somebody has!!
Answers on a post card please?
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on October 26, 2020
For Santiago del Teidi we walk up the Camino Royal, which is a well signposted path up the side of barranco. It is not unsafe but it is hard work. More often we stop at Tamaimo though, have pork stew at the Arepera Girasol and return.

For Playa San Juan we walk along the concrete path to Alcala which is perfectly safe and then the clifftop track to San Juan. Pretty safe if you have walking boots as long as there isn't a calima. We like to eat at La Vinoteca which was a hoot on market day with with musicians and loads of seniors up and dancing. I don't think that will happen any more!
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: paulaf on October 26, 2020
Hi nophead, thanks for your detailed reply. i assume you don't have a car as you say you walk everywhere, but do you have any idea what the situation is further afield - say walking along the coastal path at Adeje? Or on Los Cristianos seafront? Is it as equally relaxed there? I know there is an exemption if outside urban areas but I'm not really sure how to interpret that. We in LG in February and could really do a break there this winter. I agree the mask rules are getting stricter on the mainland but as the state of alarm does not apply to the Canaries i am still hoping this rule might get relaxed.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: angiebabes on October 26, 2020
Hi nophead, thanks for your detailed reply. i assume you don't have a car as you say you walk everywhere, but do you have any idea what the situation is further afield - say walking along the coastal path at Adeje? Or on Los Cristianos seafront? Is it as equally relaxed there? I know there is an exemption if outside urban areas but I'm not really sure how to interpret that. We in LG in February and could really do a break there this winter. I agree the mask rules are getting stricter on the mainland but as the state of alarm does not apply to the Canaries i am still hoping this rule might get relaxed.

I can assure you the rule for wearing masks EVERYWHERE is as strictly enforced on TENERIFE as it is on the mainland. When walking , by law, you still need to wear a mask wherever you are, unless you are actively running or Nordic walking. Even walking onto a beach - you need not wear one actually in situ on your sunbed or towel or actually in the sea swimming, but otherwise you must wear one. Police are active in issuing fines, though how many would see you actually on the walk from Santiago Del Teide down to Los Gigantes is open to discussion! Certainly whilst walking to Alcala in August in 30į we encountered two local policemen checking people out.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on October 26, 2020
Well it isn't being enforced in LG now. And it isn't actually possible to walk up steep hills in a mask as I stated before. It becomes wet and then you can't breath through it, start gasping for air and have to take it off. It isn't physically possible to keep wearing it.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: angiebabes on October 26, 2020
Well it isn't being enforced in LG now. And it isn't actually possible to walk up steep hills in a mask as I stated before. It becomes wet and then you can't breath through it, start gasping for air and have to take it off. It isn't physically possible to keep wearing it.

If I can walk up Cardiac Hill in 30į heat at 74 years old then I think I have justification in disagreeing with you!
As to not being enforced in LG, Jo Lamb, Jason Burke, Holly, Lindsey and Jim and many many other business owners are most certainly enforcing the law on mask wearing, albeit politely but firmly. Newly arrived holidaymakers who are unaware of the law will find after todayís meeting between Emilio and police, that laws will be reinforced.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: cs on October 26, 2020
Weíre just back home and completely agree with what Angiebabes has said, you canít make your own rules up nophead, if you canít comply with the rules when your walking up a steep hill get a taxi
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on October 26, 2020
Cardiac hill is nothing, try continuing up past Mercadona to the dagger roundabout from sea level, its 400ft mostly up with a flat section from the fish woman roundabout.

We are not going to use a taxi because that is for more likely to spread infection and we will get fat and fat people are the ones that die from covid.

Anyway at least 50% of the locals don't wear masks over their nose outside. We don't see tourists walking up steep hills but they all wear masks as we do. We wear then on the flat and downhill but not over our noses uphill.

Joggers don't wear masks because it would also be impossible.

We are going to try to find the thin cloth ones. They have no effect on spreading infection as they are just a single layer of cloth but they might be easier to breathe though than surgical masks. So perhaps we will give up any benefit to comply with the law, which as usual is an ass. There is no point wearing a mask in the open when there is nobody close.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: pilgrim on October 26, 2020
That is quite a journey by foot to do on a daily basis, but as you say it will keep you fit. And I guess
at sometime a few years down the line you could always get electric bikes or scooters.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: paulaf on October 26, 2020
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If I can walk up Cardiac Hill in 30į heat at 74 years old then I think I have justification in disagreeing with you!
As to not being enforced in LG, Jo Lamb, Jason Burke, Holly, Lindsey and Jim and many many other business owners are most certainly enforcing the law on mask wearing, albeit politely but firmly. Newly arrived holidaymakers who are unaware of the law will find after today’s meeting between Emilio and police, that laws will be reinforced.
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Not sure who these people are you are talking about but if businesses you're probably talking about enforcing wearing masks inside. Nophead and I were discussing the merits and leniency of wearing them OUTSIDE, I don't think either of us have a problem wearing them inside for 5 minutes.

The police were probably enforcing it more in August as the rule had only recently come in then.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on October 26, 2020
We usually go from 400ft to sea level and back several times a day. Went to the bank in LG this morning and will go to eat this evening.

Another problem I have is that I seem to have become allergic to my mask. I have started to get hey fever like symptoms wearing it now. Not sure why. I don't normally get hey fever in the Canaries. There are a few things in flower, so perhaps it has trapped some pollen. I will try a fresh one this evening.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on October 27, 2020
So we walked down to LG and had a meal at the El Pescador. Nearly all the locals we met on the way down were wearing masks around their neck or just over their mouth. The few that wore them properly were young. A few blokes didn't wear them at all.

We only saw about a dozen tourists in the whole of LG. They all had masks.

There was only one other couple in El Pescador, which would normally be busy. The waitress and the cook were both keen to talk and we got free drinks. They are desperate for more customers. Sad to see a successful business be hobbled by governments through no fault of their own. Governments should not be able to stop people going about their legal business.

On the way back we saw a few more locals with masks around their necks and then not another sole once we started up the hills.

The fresh mask still made my nose run although it didn't make me sneeze.

Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: will on October 27, 2020
With the new air bridge open from the UK.
Now the Tenerife government is proposing every visitor has to have a negative test for COVID prior to arrival.
For tourism in the canaries one door opens and another closes, but health may have to come before economy.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: unhappy on October 27, 2020
Still do not understand people on this site, Tanemera, asked a simple question, which was expertly answered by Angiebabes.

We now have 7 pages mostly about masks again, I don't understand why anybody that would go to a hot climate for almost 6 months & then complain about wearing a mask because it is to hot & uncomfortable, because they like to do a marathon every day in a very hilly area.

The point is people who have gone there knew the RESTRICTIONS ie THE LAW, wear the bloody mask stop moaning about it, or fly back to the wet, damp & soon to be very cold UK, where you will need more than a mask to keep you warm.

Like the rest of Europe the Virus is out of control again mainly caused by people who disregarded the advice, because they thought they knew better, some who are now DEAD or even worse have passed it on to somebody else who is very ill or dead.

I have now booked our winter break we arrive December & leave the end of March, my wife & myself will be wearing a mask, we will adhere to all the rules no matter how daft we may think they are, it is called being a responsible person, its a pity others that enjoy the the advantages of Tenerife but moan about other things, we will have a post soon people moaning about how hilly it is, the easy answer stay in LA.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: AWOL on October 27, 2020
Unhappy

Well said. Could not agree more.

Hopefully we will get there in January. Keep the news coming when you get there in December.

Here in Guernsey life is pretty much normal since July when as a community together we beat the little critter to death. Reluctant to leave our little utopia. Not sure how long it will continue but it is great whilst it lasts. A lesson for the rest of the world. Do as the experts say. It does work as we proved it.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: pilgrim on October 27, 2020
Seems they are bringing in Covid testing for visitors! No proper details yet, hope we can arrive next week b4 it is implemented.
Nophead, sad to hear about El Pecador, guess it is not really worth them opening!
Imagine that by the time you treked home you were ready for another meal!
We will be adding to the local economy next week!
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on October 27, 2020
We always comply with laws while those around us don't but it is simply impossible to walk home to our apartment with a mask over our nose and we can't do the impossible.

In LG most of the locals seem to be working to the previous rule where you only had to where a mask if you couldn't keep your distance. They wear them round their necks and pull them up when passing.

Also JA keeps reiterating that you have to wear a mask between sips of a drink or you will be fined by the police. However that isn't what happens in bars around here. The staff say you can remove your mask when seated. We keep them on until the drinks arrive but don't put them on between sips as that would be mad and totally against WHO guidelines.

When in Rome do as the Romans do.

Pilgrim,
It is the same in all bars the restaurants. Only one or two tables occupied. Hard to see how they can make profit with three staff. We had a mixed meat grill for two and will not need to eat for days. It was two of each of these: large fillet steak, pork chop, smokey bacon, chicken breast, lamb cutlet plus chips, salad and a bottle of wine for EUR30.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: angiebabes on October 27, 2020
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Not sure who these people are you are talking about but if businesses you're probably talking about enforcing wearing masks inside. Nophead and I were discussing the merits and leniency of wearing them OUTSIDE, I don't think either of us have a problem wearing them inside for 5 minutes.

The police were probably enforcing it more in August as the rule had only recently come in then.

I too am talking about wearing a mask both outside and inside a restaurant, and the people I quoted donít all run businesses.

Nophead you clearly have extremely rigid views on every aspect of the virus which you may be right about. However, where the law is concerned whether you are right in your beliefs fails into insignificance when faced with a possible fine. I personally donít find wearing a mask, despite asthma, that bad. Yes your glasses can get steamy, yes they are hot, yes, your make up gets rubs off, yes your ear can hurt. On the other hand I donít want to infect anyone, I donít want a fine and I respect the laws of the Country in which I am a visitor.

Walking up Cardiac Hill sounds like a breeze to you Nophead. How fortunate you are to enjoy excellent health and stamina which means where you live isnít a problem for you or your wife. Long may that be the case.
I have walked as you outline up to San Francisco from Puerto Santiago plaza, but never in August as I find the heat difficult. I never walk up to santiago Del Teide from sea level, I prefer to walk down as climbing hills challenges my breathing.

So you see, we are all different, with different capabilities, different health needs, different views.

Shall we leave it at that? You do your own thing re masks and Iíll do mine. There are no Ďwinnersí  in this covid world, every single one of us is facing new situations and ways of living.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on October 27, 2020
Yes walking up Cardiac Hill is not a big deal for us but it is hard work and it requires a significant amount of oxygen due to the laws of physics which can't be broken. So our breathing rate increases and eventually as we continue upwards the mask gets wet and impossible to breathe through. So unless we used about 3 masks per trip home we can't comply with the laws of the land because the laws of physics don't permit it.

Seems like the locals have come to the same conclusion.

And we don't infect anyone or get infected because, like in the UK, we avoid walking close to people, we cross to the other side of the road to avoid them, which is a much better system.

Maybe a fabric mask will work as they are not filters like the surgical masks and they are legal in Spain except in hospitals and doctors surgeries. Probably just a placebo as I don't think they stop infection, hence why you need proper ones in medical settings.

If we were fit enough to jog or cycle up the hill we would not need to wear a mask. How does that make sense as we would be panting and spreading far more water vapour?
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: unhappy on October 27, 2020
Did not that Empire implode on it's self, look at it today.

As for El Pescador, it is family owned & run restaurant, Domingo front of house, his wife is the cook & son & daughter wait, he will survive, we have known him for many years, yes it is sad few people are not there, but again if we don't adhere to the law there will be even less.

The only reason this virus is spreading again is because people are not doing what they are told to do by Governments all across the world.

There was an expert on TV this morning saying they had done tests & the antibodies people get when they recover from the virus do not always prevent them catching it a second time, so wearing a mask is imperative.

It does not matter what other people are doing, to be a responsible person we must do what we are advised to do, no matter how uncomfortable it is 
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on October 27, 2020
The cook said she was Slovenian and the waitress said she was Polish, so perhaps the son and daughter have moved on.

The UK government told us to eat out to help out and decided education and hospitality was more important than preventing covid. The numbers shot up when schools and universities went back. So I don't think it was due to people ignoring rules. The rules evolve for political reasons and are different in every country, so being told what to do by governments across the world makes little sense unless you live in Sweden.

Every other pandemic virus has wiped out the vulnerable and left a population that can live with it. This is the first one where governments have thought they could control it but they can't. It appears it will be like other corona viruses and we will get it annually. I expect the common cold was deadly when it first arrived and I think it probably still finishes off some of the most vulnerable each year that go on to get pneumonia. Most people die from cancer, heart disease or dementia. If you are lucky enough to avoid all those illnesses you get get frailer and frailer until some respiratory illness finishes you off, usually in the winter. I don't think covid19 is anything special apart from it is new while we are in the internet age.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: paulaf on October 27, 2020
Exactly right what we do here just keep a distance, not every country makes you wear masks outside as the jury is out on it, even the WHO doesn't say it's necessary if a safe distance can be maintained. Scandinavian countries don't do it either so not sure they will want to over winter there as they normally do with this silly rule.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on October 27, 2020
So we bought some fancy fabric ones in the Chinese emporium in the old Mercadona building in Arena next to Legends and managed to walk home in them as they are easier to breathe through. So we can comply with the letter of the law but infection control is obviously a lot less than surgical masks.

Legends was open but had no customers in the afternoon. The waiter had lowered his mask onto his chin when we passed on the way back. We also passed workmen in the road with no masks and a British tourist who put one on when he saw us. Probably wasn't expecting to meet anybody as the roads are very deserted.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: unhappy on October 27, 2020
Here we go again another expert, pity he did not read the WHO advice from the 20th Oct about wearing a mask.

As for buying masks from the Chinese must be cheap, they are obviously useless
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on October 27, 2020
More expensive than surgical ones but I wouldn't call them useless. They enable me to comply with law, avoid the risk of a fine and still be able to breathe when walking in steep hills, so money well spent.

Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: Georgie on October 27, 2020
Sorry but this post is killing me with boredom

Please let us know what is is going on locally please

How is the lovely harbour club getting on
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: paulaf on October 27, 2020
Good for you, I read an article recently that cloth masks allow 97% of infection into a mask and the surgical ones about 47% so better but for lip service you might aswell be more comfortable, people who rely on cloth and especially homemade masks are deluded unfortunately.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on October 27, 2020
Yes cloth masks don't do much. I wonder why the governments allow them.

The harbour club bar was open last time we passed it with a couple of tables of customers. That's about all anywhere gets at the moment.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: pilgrim on October 27, 2020
Looks like the Covid test will not be a requirement when we arrive later next week, am pleased to say!
We are out just after the USA election, so will be able to commiserate or celebrate either way in the sun.
And the following week, we should find out if we have a deal with Europe, and if so, how much we have been sold down the river.
Just booked a better more fun car (convertible) than usual, thought that this would be a good time to tour the Island.  Will spend one or two nights in the North, just checked one hotel and all inclusive is available at a very very reasonable price, plenty of availability so won't book till we arrive in case things don't work out.
My wife is very sceptical that every thing will run smooth, and she is worried about idiots on the flight!
Since we had that situation on a Cornwall beach back in August.
I on the other hand am quite upbeat (take note Unhappy), that things will go well!
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: unhappy on October 28, 2020
Pilgrim, I am very upbeat I should be in Tenerife at this very moment but Tui cancelled our holiday. We have booked to come over for 3 months later.

We have or lovely Granddaughter staying with us at the moment during half term as her Mom is working, I also took her out on Monday & bought a new car for her. We are out with our friends tomorrow for a meal & drinks

You see we can do these things because where we live, we are still in category 1, must be all us old farts that live around this area who try not to spread the virus & listen to the Government advice.


Paulaf is this the same article you read that the WHO don't recommend wearing masks
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on October 28, 2020
Inter-generational mixing is exactly how it gets to the older generations that fill up the hospital beds and provoke lock-downs.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: unhappy on October 28, 2020
Mr so called expert, get your head from where the sun does not shine, I believe you come from the north that model of the country who have behaving correctly, that is why they are all in the 3rd tier of lock down.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on October 28, 2020
Yes absolutely nobody we know or see complies with the government regulations. They all mix with their families and grandchildren. I don't think the government should be able to dictate that you can't mix with your friends and family, and in practice they can't because nobody takes any notice of those idiots.

And the vast majority here don't either.

All the government should do is advise people how to stay safe and put all their money and resources into increasing health service capacity to cope instead of spending billions paying people to stay at home and limiting all social and economic activity to match health service capacity.

Today I heard that the increase in suicides this year in Tenerife far exceeds the excess deaths due to Covid. Not sure if it is true but if it is it shows the cure is far worse than the disease.

Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: paulaf on October 28, 2020

Paulaf is this the same article you read that the WHO don't recommend wearing masks

No it was an article in a science report I read a few weeks ago and I always remember the 97% I quoted as now when I see someone wearing a cloth mask I always say to myself 3% as a little joke as that is all the protection they offer.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: unhappy on October 28, 2020
Finally I realise all the clowns are not in the circus, as for you 2, post as much as you want, my only hope is our paths will never cross.

THE END.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: Georgie on October 28, 2020
This is crazy everyone

Please can we discuss los gigantes please

Otherwise watch the news because it's another wind up
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: pilgrim on October 28, 2020
News is France and Germany are going into full lockdown! And the Torygraph headlined today that the second wave of the Covid will do more widespread damage than first wave!!!
Things are changing at speed, wonder if we will be okay for our flight next Thursday?
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on October 28, 2020
Impossible to predict what will happen a week in advance with these crazy times. Yes a second wave in winter will probably be more serious. It was always predicted by the scientists.

Perhaps you will need a test, or perhaps two tests or perhaps travel will be banned, or perhaps none of those.

We had flights booked for 10th November but decided to bring them forward, as things were going downhill fast, and lucked out on the first day the foreign office advice was lifted and although we didn't know it at the time may have avoided having expensive tests.

If they introduce tests then flights become safer but a lot more expensive. If they don't my advice is to wear KN95 FFP3 masks and visors as it is more likely somebody on the plane has it than not.

Tony Arbolino, a Moto3 rider had to miss a race because somebody three rows in front of him on a plane had covid even though he tested negative himself. You have to give your seat number to the authorities so it could ruin a short holiday.

As for wearing masks outside: it seems to be over here.  Nearly everybody wears them around their necks. Apparently even the police don't wear them! 
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: pilgrim on October 28, 2020
Thanks Nophead, I guess if anyone is positive Covid it will be a steward or stewardess on the plane! quite an intense tube to work within day in day out! Yeh, good idea will have to get better protection. My wife is not good flying anyway, so will have to tread gently.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on October 28, 2020
My next door neighbour works in the building trade and his in his late 50s / early 60s. He stopped working because he thinks building sites are too risky for covid but his youngest daughter lives with them and is an air stewardess! His other daughters visit with grand children, which isn't even allowed. Go figure. 
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: paulaf on October 29, 2020
Thanks Nophead, I guess if anyone is positive Covid it will be a steward or stewardess on the plane! quite an intense tube to work within day in day out! Yeh, good idea will have to get better protection. My wife is not good flying anyway, so will have to tread gently.
Read this article to your wife might make her feel better, 1 in 27 million passengers catch Covid on a flight. We've flown 4 times during Covid and felt perfectly safe.

https://www.travelmole.com/news_feature.php?news_id=2044611
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: Davymar on October 29, 2020
Quote
Read this article to your wife might make her feel better, 1 in 27 million passengers catch Covid on a flight. We've flown 4 times during Covid and felt perfectly safe.

I would read who produced the article first! not like they are biased is it? ;D
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: paulaf on October 29, 2020
IATA produced it.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: pilgrim on October 29, 2020
Things seem to be changing fast again! more lock down areas announced tonight. What happens if my area goes to Tier 3. Gatwick airport is not far but I would be leaving my area! Am I allowed, is a holiday essential
travel?
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: paulaf on October 29, 2020
Things seem to be changing fast again! more lock down areas announced tonight. What happens if my area goes to Tier 3. Gatwick airport is not far but I would be leaving my area! Am I allowed, is a holiday essential
travel?
Are you in Tier 1 now, you would first go to Tier 2 next but read this article.

https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/can-tier-3-travel-abroad-restrictions-rules-lockdown-covid-uk-b1401788.html
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: pilgrim on October 29, 2020
Thank you for that paulaf, Yes Reigate and Banstead in surrey in Tier 1, so according to that article if we went to Tier 3, we should also be good to travel!
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: paulaf on October 29, 2020
Thank you for that paulaf, Yes Reigate and Banstead in surrey in Tier 1, so according to that article if we went to Tier 3, we should also be good to travel!
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I'm not that far from you also in Tier 1, nearest area to us in Tier 2 is Elmbridge Surrey.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on October 29, 2020
Yes we flew out seven hours after we became tier 3 because there was no law against it.

When the government announce restrictions they don't make it clear what is illegal and what is just advice. When they made the rule of six law we thought we were already limited to six but the law was actually 30. We learnt from that to always check and we ignore advice from idiots.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: pilgrim on October 29, 2020
Boris and rest of this government are poor communicators. Need a lesson from Trump or Reagan!
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on October 30, 2020
Don't care about the how they dress it up, it the policy that is bonkers. Can somebody tell me how it makes sense to ruin the economy for a generation and disrupt all normal life for 18 months just to extend the lives of 1% of the population that on average are already past the normal age people die at?
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: paulaf on October 30, 2020
Don't care about the how they dress it up, it the policy that is bonkers. Can somebody tell me how it makes sense to ruin the economy for a generation and disrupt all normal life for 18 months just to extend the lives of 1% of the population that on average are already past the normal age people die at?
Completely agree with you just shield the elderly and the vulnerable for another few weeks until the vaccines are ready, which seems to be looking hopeful for the Oxford and Pfizer ones now. Have you signed the Great Barrington Declaration?

https://gbdeclaration.org/
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: angiebabes on October 30, 2020
How sad to realise my life matters so little to Nophead and Paulaf.

The cynic in me feels that once you two are my age, your outlook on your own lives mattering will do a U turn.

I am fortunate that my friends and family value my contribution to their lives.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: paulaf on October 30, 2020
I'm not saying it doesn't matter, I am saying you should take care and shield but that we shouldn't stop the rest of the population earning a living and getting on with their lives for a small minority of vulnerable people. There are approx 5.4 million people in the UK over 75 yet we are destroying businesses and peoples livelihoods when there is an alternative. I guess this issue is just like Brexit and equally divisive.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: Edward Bear on October 30, 2020
Well said Angie, some folk have an extremely selfish attitude. They all know who they are.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: paulaf on October 30, 2020
Well said Angie, some folk have an extremely selfish attitude. They all know who they are.
I guess you don't know anyone who has lost their job or business then?
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: angiebabes on October 30, 2020
Well said Angie, some folk have an extremely selfish attitude. They all know who they are.
I guess you don't know anyone who has lost their job or business then?


We all know people who are and have suffered from these unprecedented times but you agreed with Nophead’s comments about his theory of natural selection which to some of us seniors, is harsh, unkind and thoughtless.

Us seniors have lived through some incredible times before you were probably born. One could just as easily argue that if SOME ( and I emphasise SOME ) younger people had done as they were asked and distanced, made a fortnights sacrifice and stayed at home, considered others and worn a mask, then we wouldn’t be in the situation we now find ourselves in.  It isn’t clever to try and get round regulations and herald yourself as having outwitted those advising this pandemic. I dread to think what would have happened in WW11 with the modern day attitude so amply demonstrated amongst some these days. As to Nophead and his opinions, he is absolutely entitled to them, but I do wish he wouldn’t quite so arrogantly opine that’s he is right and those of us who disagree with him are idiots - because, believe it or not, we’ve managed to get this far through life and are still standing!! Trying to teach your grandmother to suck eggs, as the saying goes.............
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: AWOL on October 30, 2020
Well said Angie, some folk have an extremely selfish attitude. They all know who they are.
I guess you don't know anyone who has lost their job or business then?

I presume you do not run a company that employ staff  that make mobilty scooters or walking frames etc for the elderly. You strike me as a very selfish money grabbing individual if I may say. I am sure they would not agree with your take on things.

Words almost fail me.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: paulaf on October 30, 2020
Well said Angie, some folk have an extremely selfish attitude. They all know who they are.
I guess you don't know anyone who has lost their job or business then?

I presume you do not run a company that employ staff  that make mobilty scooters or walking frames etc for the elderly. You strike me as a very selfish money grabbing individual if I may say. I am sure they would not agree with your take on things.

Words almost fail me.
Not sure who your comment about money grabbing is aimed at, no I do not run any money grabbing businesses! We are both in our mid 50's so not a youngster as I think was presumed, just trying to see past all the scaremongering and thinking about the rest of the population too.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on October 30, 2020
The old think the young are selfish and the young think the old are selfish.

Governments should be rational and act in the best interests of the people they govern, or perhaps the best interests of the people that elected them! So how does it makes sense to ruin everything for the small minority of people that would die from covid a few years early? The average age of people dying with it is actually higher than the average age I would hope to live to. I.e. ~82.4. Google said I would live to 82 and the average age people die at is about a year less.

The UK government's stated priority is to save lives and protect the health service. Saving lives makes no sense because everybody dies. So what they actually mean is extend lives. And who's lives are they extending and for how long? It turns out it is the most elderly and frail 1% and probably for only a few years. But with the reduction in cancer care and increased suicides, etc, they don't actually save any lives. Excess deaths run about twice as high as covid death.

And given the health service is normally under severe pressure in the winter wouldn't you think they would have spent the summer increasing capacity? We have the smallest number of beds per capita in Europe. They should have trained up out of work air stewards to give basic nursing care and specific covid treatment in the Nightingale hospitals instead of trying to limit our social lives and economy to match the very limited capacity of the NHS.

Isn't it reasonable to advise the people it would affect to shield themselves and let the rest get on with life? Why should the whole population be affected?

I saw a graph today that showed the death rate in 2020 was high but you only have go back a few years to see it higher. Everything should be shown in context. More than half a million people die every year in the UK. People seem to have lost sight of that.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: paulaf on October 30, 2020
Flu deaths in September in the UK were 1132, Covid deaths were 690, we don't lockdown for flu!
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: janey on October 30, 2020
i think you are talking the same talk as me paulaf.  the mental distress many people are suffering now far outweighs any covid deaths.   please remember covid is not necessarily fatal.  project fear has made you thnk it is.

Flu deaths in September in the UK were 1132, Covid deaths were 690, we don't lockdown for flu!

I'm not saying it doesn't matter, I am saying you should take care and shield but that we shouldn't stop the rest of the population earning a living and getting on with their lives for a small minority of vulnerable people. There are approx 5.4 million people in the UK over 75 yet we are destroying businesses and peoples livelihoods when there is an alternative. I guess this issue is just like Brexit and equally divisive.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: paulaf on October 30, 2020
I agree janey, I remember back in March Whitty stressing most people, (was it 99%?) would only suffer a mild illness. My sister in law works in a care home and whilst there have unfortunately been some deaths, when they started routine testing they picked up about 8 elderly residents who were positive but who were all asymptomatic - i.e. no symptoms! We were astounded, so yes its not a death sentence.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: Edward Bear on October 30, 2020
Mr nophead, I hate to say this but your analogy reminds me, and I am old enough to remember, of a certain Adolf Hitler. You may be upset with this however this is how  it comes across to me on aging. I am considerably older than your goodself and I still think that I have something to offer the world.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: unhappy on October 30, 2020
Edward Bear & Angiebabes, it is so reassuring to here common sense & logic here, so called clever people on this site think there IQ is above us mere mortals, sorry us OLD mere mortals.

Now for the boring facts, sorry again no graphs, the average yearly deaths caused by flu worldwide is around 650000 this is with a vaccine that helps which we have had decades to try and perfect, the deaths due to Coronavirus are 1.1 million in the same period, not far off double, no vaccine & pie in the sky when we will get one and if it works, don't forget the virus antibodies were supposed to help, but now they only have a life of 6 months, so the figure will rise exponentially because unfortunately there are a lot of IDIOTS in the world that think like Trump, today reported that the USA was WORST country in the world for Coronavirus.

No doubt somebody will say Cancer kills a lot more people which I agree, it is like saying more people die in car crashes than flying, but it will not STOP us doing either no, but I will not be spreading this deadly virus if it is in my power not to do so.

We are endangering others by breathing on them, so I will take every precaution NOT to CATCH or SPREAD it, even if it is uncomfortable.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on October 30, 2020
The rational way to look at it is what will kill you? Will it be the tiny chance of catching corona virus multiplied by the tiny chance it is fatal or will it be cancer that kills about a third of people or one of the other big killers?

It will never kill more than about 1% of the population, so it will never be likely to kill any of us. Most of us will die from something else.

That being the case why is it considered dangerous? It is because it will embarrass the health service and the government. Germany has 800 hospital beds per 100,000. There are about 600 per 100K cases in some parts of the UK. Germany would have a hospital bed for all of them, even though only a few percent need it. UK hospitals are getting full. That is the only real issue. Our health service has a tiny capacity.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: unhappy on October 30, 2020
Unfortunately, there are not rational people in the world like yourself & others, that make any excuse to try & stop the Virus spreading.

SHUT UP AND STOP THINKING YOU KNOW BETTER THAN ANYBODY ELSE.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: unhappy on October 31, 2020
Spoke to one of our friends today, they are going to Barbados in January in a 5 star hotel for 3 weeks.

They have been informed not only will they require a covid free certificate before arriving, they will be tested on arrival & will be required to self isolate for 3 days to check they do not have the virus.

If the UK does not get its act together, I can see other Countries carrying out these type of restrictions.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on October 31, 2020
For Canaries looks like you will need to bring a negative test certificate starting from about 10 days time if you are staying in regulated accommodation. But UK will probably be in full lockdown by then.

Looks like the first lockdown simply shifted the peak from the summer to the winter, which will be far worse.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: Georgie on October 31, 2020
Silly question

If you have the test on a monday and you are clear to travel

You might catch it on tuesday

So therefore all travel should be cancelled
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on October 31, 2020
If you have the classic symptoms at any time you should self isolate and certainly not fly. It is quite unlikely you would have symptoms after a negative test but possible.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on November 01, 2020
Looks like all foreign travel from the UK for holidays will be banned on Thursday for a least 4 weeks but probably longer. So only three days left to get here.

So glad we moved our flights forward. We could see things were going downhill rapidly but it has happened even faster than we anticipated. Won't really know if it was the best thing to do until the winter is over as who knows what will happen here in a few weeks?

One of our neighbours households have got it, two have died and the third is in hospital. The two that died were vulnerable and should have isolated but they went back to shopping in town and had family visiting every week, even when banned. Not the brightest candles on the cake.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: linda on November 02, 2020
Is that Santiago del teide or UK ?
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on November 02, 2020
In the UK. They were fine when we left, had a whatsapp conversation with one of them, two dead a few days later. They were in their 70's and 90's and both had multiple health problems and were on the clinically vulnerable list.

Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on November 02, 2020
According to the published data there have only been 26 cases in Santiago del Teidi in total. 9 have recovered and none have died so far.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: Georgie on November 02, 2020
The news is saying Ryanair will not be offering refunds for cancelled lockdown flights
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: angiebabes on November 02, 2020
According to the published data there have only been 26 cases in Santiago del Teidi in total. 9 have recovered and none have died so far.

Whilst we were in TENERIFE in August, neighbours caught it, two young men, advised to isolate, but the gym theyíd been using wasnít shut for deep clean, and their cases werenít recorded. It was four days after one of them caught it before they were ordered to isolate but their cases werenít recorded.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on November 02, 2020
Did they have tests? Presumably the numbers are only positive test results.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: angiebabes on November 02, 2020
Did they have tests? Presumably the numbers are only positive test results.

Eventually they were made to have tests but they were not recorded in the figures
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on November 02, 2020
I wonder why not. I thought the figures were provided by the testing service.

You can always multiply the figures by about 3 because two thirds of people have no symptoms, so are not going to get tested unless it is a random screening or blanket testing of a facility. In the UK you can only get a test if you say you have symptoms.

In any other disease you wouldn't even be classed as having it if you had no symptoms.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: angiebabes on November 02, 2020
Why donít people owning their own property have to have a test prior to travel to canaries? Doesnít make sense, or donít you catch it if youíre in your own place?
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on November 02, 2020
Because the Canarian government doesn't have the power to control their boarder, that is the jurisdiction of the Spanish government, but they do have the power to control tourist accommodation regulations, so they have made forced the hotels, etc, to do it.

They wanted airports to do it before departure but they said they didn't have space or time to test millions of tourists. I doubt there will be millions now though!

It doesn't make a lot of sense but if you have your own place you can self isolate at home if you have symptoms. Also it catches the vast majority of tourists that come for a few weeks. People that own their own place tend to come for longer, so account for a lot less traffic.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: pilgrim on November 02, 2020
Hi Nophead, just seen an earlier post from you where 2 of your neighbours have passed away from Covid,
a good move for you to be over in LG! I don't know anyone who has been badly ill or even hospitalised with the Virus! But have read that if you had, you would be more guarded and understanding with regard to the dangers of Covid. Wondered if your opinion had changed!
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on November 02, 2020
Not really. It kills people that are already on their way. The three people I know that have died from it were frail and had multiple pre-existing life threatening conditions. Even without covid I would not have been surprised if any of them had died this year.

Our neighbours were a married couple in their 70's and her mother in her 90's. The husband had lots of problems and had a few trips to hospital this year. I made visors for them for their hospital visits but we had to persuade the wife she should wear one as well as her vulnerable husband because she didn't quite get, that although she wasn't on the shielding list herself, she lived with two people that were, so equally needed to shield.

Not sure if they caught it through the hospital appointments, the wife shopping or the extended family visits.

The wife had no pre-existing ailments, so although being 70, it looks like she will pull through.

The third person I know was a retired business associate of my wife's, who died in the first wave. She was very ill and wheelchair bound. So all three I would expect to die if they caught it.

The neighbours were all retired and live in a big house with a big garden, so could have avoided catching it unless they caught it in hospital. We only went shopping about 3 times since March and stopped going anywhere when the numbers went up by a factor of 100. We suggested they should be getting deliveries but for some reason the wife was shopping weekly in multiple shops after the official shielding ended. We suggested it wasn't a good idea when the numbers started rocketing.

We know two students that have it since going back to university but I don't think either of them have anything more than a cold.

The numbers in Tenerife are about 10 times lower than at home but still 10 times higher than it was in the summer when we were eating out to help out. The restaurants here are not busy and mostly outside or open fronted, so not too big a risk. Shopping is a bit more risky because the supermarkets can be quite busy, people don't distance and I don't think any of them deliver. We need to pick our times carefully I think.

We could avoid getting it at home by getting everything delivered but chose to come here at some risk because doing nothing for a year is just as dangerous as getting it at any age. We know several people that died this year out of the blue, nothing to do with covid, as that is what happens.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: pilgrim on November 03, 2020
Yes, sad to hear, seems it could be avoided!
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on November 03, 2020
Yes very sad, we have known them for 20 years. When they built the house it was for four as there was another generation, the wife's granddad, her mother's father. He died some time ago in his late 90's I think.

They also had a tragedy when their daughter died in childbirth. Not sure what the wife will do with a huge four bedroom house and garden on her own when she gets out of hospital. She does have lots of sisters, nieces and cats.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: angiebabes on November 03, 2020
[quote author=nophead
Shopping is a bit more risky because the supermarkets can be quite busy, people don't distance and I don't think any of them deliver. We need to pick our times carefully I think.Ē

Both Mercadona and Hyperdino deliver, both with good websites. Also Kero Sur, Superior Foods Tenerife, Meat Boutique deliver. Deli on the Hill, The Tea House both offer delivery service.

We were there in total lockdown and never went near a shop, everything was delivered to my door, or garage without any contact and everyone was extremely careful.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on November 03, 2020
Odd when I put our postcode in the Mercadona website they said they didn't deliver to here. Is there a different website for Tenerife?
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on November 03, 2020
It seems that it is just their new website that isn't available here, I have use their old one. Thanks.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: Tanemera on November 04, 2020
There is somewhat confusing information going around regarding the legality of coming to Tenerife and staying in your own property (if you are a non-resident) after 14 November.  The situation regarding approved accommodation is clear, i.e. you need a negative test certificate.

According to Janet Anscombe .....

"Canarian Covid Test Law
4 NOVEMBER 2020
Updated 14 November:
Any other tourist accommodation will not be legal and that brings a whole heap of other problems for both owner and tourist. I hope you will understnd my reasons for, now, just deleting any questions that indicate that this has not been read, and it cannot be clearer so there is no point trying to clarify for anyone who still cannot understand it."


According to Hello Canaries .....
https://www.hellocanaryislands.com/coronavirus/

"Q. I'm travelling to the islands but I'm staying in my own holiday home or in a friend or relative's home.
A. In this case there is no need, but we recommend you at least have an antigen test before you travel in the interests of everyone's health."

The hellocanaryislands link is included in JA's own article "Updated 14 November".  I'm ot sure if she is able to see into the future but am reluctant to query the situation regarding non-resident property owners in view of her current attitude to anybody daring to raise a question.

Hopefully the situation will become clearer in due course.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: angiebabes on November 04, 2020
Tanemara - if you own your own property and are travelling to stay in it whether you are a resident or not is immaterial. You do NOT need proof of negativity to covid. If you are going to rent  in a friendís property, or are renting a property privately, they must have a vw licence to legally rent out, which in turn qualifies the renter for government/AXA insurance cover in the event of catching covid whilst in that accommodation. In this instance you need a test prior to travel, or  arrange with the owner of tourist licence accommodation to let you isolate there whilst obtaining a test. If anyone rents out an apartment without the legal requirements they are breaking the law.

So, if you own your own apartment, as a non resident,  ie you do not pay your taxes in Spain, then you do not need a test. You donít need a test if youíre a resident either.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: Tanemera on November 04, 2020
Many thanks again, Angiebabes, for your informative reply.  It is what I hoped for and I am a bit disconcerted at the apparent misleading comment that JA has made (under the incorrect date heading).  I have always had a high regard for JA's blog but her recent attitude towards "Swallows" and her refusal to even consider comments from her readers needs attention!
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: unhappy on November 04, 2020
Totally agree with Tanemera, about JA I think the gong has gone to her head. I also posted to her a simple question, we are renting long term over 3 months but only 3 months falling in next year which is all we are allowed due to leaving the EU & Shengen rules.

As I know the Complex is Residential but we are allowed to rent because it is a long term rental, are we required to take the test, she ignored me & then closed the subject.

It may be that because she stated that anything other than renting in Tourist accommodation is illegal she may be wrong, I might be wrong, but it seems unless you heap praise on her, she can not be bothered with your enquiry

But when we owned our own property through all the fines & courts with the new laws, we were informed we could rent long term 3 months & we would not be breaking the rental laws
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: angiebabes on November 04, 2020
Unhappy

You state the apartment block for your three month rental is Ďresidentialí therefore the owner must have a VW licence to rent to anyone legally and as such you would then need a test prior to flying. You would also then be covered by the government scheme for catching covid whilst in Tenerife.

The only people who are flying in and donít need tests are

People going to their self owned property
People Going to stay with friends/relatives in their own privately owned property who do not charge you a rental sum.
People who are residents returning to their homes
People who within 15 days have been in the Canary Islands and are moving to stay in different accommodation within the islands.

Canít think of any more, but Iím sure there are more exceptions.

Always ensure where you are renting itís legal, and you sign a contract.

Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: Tanemera on November 04, 2020
Probably a good idea to have your NIE certificate with you when arriving in Tenerife to stay in your own apartment.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: unhappy on November 04, 2020
Angiebabes, we are renting from a Company in Tenerife the same Company we rented from last year, we had a contract & will be getting one again this year.

Again I may be wrong but I thought that a long term rental, 3 months was not classified as a Tourist rental so anybody could rent a property in a Residential complex so long as it was long term, without breaking the law.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: Georgie on November 04, 2020
Whether it is right or wrong you must follow the government guidelines without its speculating
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: unhappy on November 04, 2020
Which Government you plonka ?, that is why I am trying to find out the up to date law. I have worn a mask since Feb, yes it can be uncomfortable, but I don't complain like you, I follow the advice & the law.

Also I don't keep asking stupid questions.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: pilgrim on November 04, 2020
Unhappy, Yes, please to hear you are following advice & the law. Wouldn't want you to get in trouble again!!
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: unhappy on November 05, 2020
Pilgrim, always following the law does not guarantee you getting into trouble as my wife & myself found out, try & be a little more constructive with your boring & sometimes silly advice, you are beginning to sound like Georgie
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on November 05, 2020
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Probably a good idea to have your NIE certificate with you when arriving in Tenerife to stay in your own apartment.

The controls are not at the border, so unless you try to check into tourist accommodation you won't be challenged. I expect you might need it to rent residential accommodation, as you do to buy it.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: unhappy on November 05, 2020
So where are the controls & how do they check if you have had a test or not, when we arrive we are meet by the company we are renting from & taken to the property.

As it is a residential complex there is no reception, we are given the keys, we already know the complex, the only reason they will come into the property is to show us the British TV that we have installed because of being there for the 3 months +
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on November 05, 2020
The controls are at hotel receptions, etc. You have to present a certificate to show a negative test result and have to download the Spanish covid app on your phone. This is because the Canarian government can't control their border but they can control their tourist industry.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: angiebabes on November 05, 2020
The controls are at hotel receptions, etc. You have to present a certificate to show a negative test result and have to download the Spanish covid app on your phone. This is because the Canarian government can't control their border but they can control their tourist industry.

Where does it insist you have to download the Spanish covid app? It canít, not everyone has a modern phone to download it on, or even a mobile at all! If you are unable to ensure getting covid test results back in the timeframe stipulated (72hrs) prior to travel you can, if agreed with licensed renter, get a test done next door to Deli on the Hill doctor for Ä40 with quick turn around, and present that to the property renter.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: unhappy on November 05, 2020
Thanks again Angiebabes, that was going to be my next question, our flight out is a Tuesday which means we would need a test on the Sunday to be within 72 hours ( no Chance ) or get it before but be out of the 72 hours.

I know where the doctors is you are talking about, but are you sure this test can be done there if we require it

I have spoken to our own GP he does not know where we can get the test done, I have found out Boots are going to offer tests £125.00 but again can they do it on a Sunday & guarantee my results the next day before I fly, its not like going into a shop & buying a paper & Governments should realise this.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on November 05, 2020
According to JA it is in the regulations in Spanish that you have to download it but somebody reported that even the Canarian government posters say its only recommended. See the discussion here: https://www.janetanscombe.com/news/canarian-government-hopes-to-approve-law-this-week-to-require-tourists-to-have-covid-tests-before-arrival.html/comment-page-1#comment-562532

Janet always interprets the rules in the most draconian way possible. For example 10 people can share a table at a restaurant. She insists they need to be socially distanced if they are not from the same household which would potentially require a table bigger than a house. In practice I was in a bar yesterday and there were 10 blokes, each from a different household, on one table and their wives on another in another room.

She also insists that you have to wear a mask between sips of beer. We take our masks off when the drinks arrive, most people take them off when they sit down. Nobody puts them on between sips of beer.

I think she proclaims from half way up the mountain and probably has never been in a bar since covid.


Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: unhappy on November 05, 2020
Steady nophead you will be accused of having your glass half full, mind you I would not mind mine being half full if I was in Tenerife. "Cheers".
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: angiebabes on November 05, 2020
Thanks again Angiebabes, that was going to be my next question, our flight out is a Tuesday which means we would need a test on the Sunday to be within 72 hours ( no Chance ) or get it before but be out of the 72 hours.

I know where the doctors is you are talking about, but are you sure this test can be done there if we require it

I have spoken to our own GP he does not know where we can get the test done, I have found out Boots are going to offer tests £125.00 but again can they do it on a Sunday & guarantee my results the next day before I fly, its not like going into a shop & buying a paper & Governments should realise this.

Below phone number/email for her, you could book prior to arrival maybe?

922106400/674264858.    info@consmedkmluczyn.com

Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on November 05, 2020
I would ask the person / organisation you are renting from if they are going to ask you for a test certificate. If they aren't its pointless getting one unless you think you might have it.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: unhappy on November 05, 2020
Thank you both for your info, you would think going on holiday would be stressless ?. not in today's world.

I am sure the Company we rent from will be very helpful, last year when we became stranded they did everything to help us.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: angiebabes on November 05, 2020
Thank you both for your info, you would think going on holiday would be stressless ?. not in today's world.

I am sure the Company we rent from will be very helpful, last year when we became stranded they did everything to help us.

Iíve read somewhere that the proposed Boots test isnít accepted? Not certain, but do check before paying out. Also, if you are staying in legal rental accommodation you will be covered in the event of catching covid by the government scheme, but is it conditional on having had a negative test prior to entering the Country? Again Iím not certain, but make sure not having one doesnít invalidate any insurance you want to rely on, it
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on November 05, 2020
The insurance, tests and licencing are for tourist accommodation. Does a foreigner staying in normal rented residential accommodation (that a local might use) for three months count as a tourist? I would have thought not, just as we staying in our own apartment aren't.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: angiebabes on November 05, 2020
The insurance, tests and licencing are for tourist accommodation. Does a foreigner staying in normal rented residential accommodation (that a local might use) for three months count as a tourist? I would have thought not, just as we staying in our own apartment aren't.

If you are renting accommodation for a holiday you are a tourist, and as such the property you are renting should be licensed with a vw licence. What do you class as Ďnormal rented residential accommodationí? Thereís no such thing!
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on November 05, 2020
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What do you class as ‘normal rented residential accommodation’? There’s no such thing!
I assume a lot of residents of Tenerife rent their accommodation rather than owning it, just as they do in the UK. So a normal residential property let has nothing to do with tourism and a resident doesn't check in, so would not be challenged for a test certificate.

A non resident like myself with an NIE number can buy residential property, so assume I could also rent it on a normal three month let. Since I wouldn't check into a reception, I would not expect the tourism rules to be applied. That involves signs in six languages, etc, which doesn't make sense in a residential setting.

So is it illegal for a foreigner with an NIE number to live in a residential rented property?
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: unhappy on November 06, 2020
I have now had the i dotted & the t crossed about the rental laws & the new legislation in Tenerife, an organisation called ASCAV who I have dealt with before, they were the people fighting the Government about the new letting laws, they have helped.

Unlike JA the Est agent who sold property to buyers telling them they could rent & a lawyer who JA recommended who myself & other owners thought was next to useless, ASCAC fought tooth & nail for owners.

In a nutshell, we will be required to get a test before we come unless it changes, so we are now going to change our flight day from the Tuesday to be able to get the test & results within 72 hours of flying hopefully.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: unhappy on November 06, 2020
Just booked our fights out, now flying on a Saturday almost broke the bank £16.10 each, just hoping this lockdown ends
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: paulaf on November 07, 2020
Can anyone confirm please when the 72 hours for the test starts from, is it 72 hours before departure the same as say Cyprus or 72 hours before arrival at accommodation? I had assumed it was the first option but I've recently read on trip advisor the 2nd option which seems a little daft as it can take say 8 hours to get to your accommodation so your test time options reduce  and of course what if your flight is delayed your test could go out of date. Thanks
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: unhappy on November 07, 2020
The new law 17/2020 starting from the 13 November, states the test must be 72 hours prior to arrival, hope this helps.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on November 07, 2020
And presumably that is arrival at the hotel, not the airport as it is the hotel that check it.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: unhappy on November 07, 2020
Laws are Laws, how long is a piece of string, but I would have thought yes as it is a Tourist law, not a Border one.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: paulaf on November 07, 2020
That was my next question, arrival where? So its best really to try and get one 60 hours approx before departure, say my arrival time is 18.00 that precludes a test 2 days before as clinics not open that late.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: paulaf on November 07, 2020
It still seems ambiguous as Canadian Weekly today saying 72 hours before travel? I.e. not arrival.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: Georgie on November 07, 2020
Blimey unhappy

Laws are laws after I said follow the government website

Do you know what you are talking about
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on November 07, 2020
The only place the test certificate is checked is hotel receptions when you check in, so presumably that is the time they check it is not more than 72 hours old.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: paulaf on November 07, 2020
Thanks, it does reduce the time window for the test somewhat, for me from 11am 3 days before now to say 9am the next day as arriving early evening.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: unhappy on November 07, 2020
Georgie, when are you going to find your brain, or get your head from up your arse.

When you have been prosecuted for something you have not done and it costs you 18000.00 Euro.

When you employ a builder that rips you off for £36000.00, you take him to court, you win the case, are awarded full damages and costs, but the crook puts everything in his wife's name, the law is an ass like YOU.

As i have said before I have never moaned about wearing a mask or conforming to the advice or law concerning the coronavirus, unlike YOU.

Why don't you try and post something that is informative or even interesting, or is that as impossible as your spelling ?
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on November 07, 2020
I think you can get tests easily in the Canaries, so they wrote the law thinking it would be easy in the UK but it isn't.

unhappy,
  I obey the laws, even when they are stupid but I ignore stupid advice. For example the law was I couldn't have people in my garden when the rate was 7 and the weather was nice and had to re-arrange when it was ten times higher and the weather was crap.

The government advised me not to go the Canaries when the average rate in the UK was about 4 times higher than the Canaries. So I booked tickets to go and they changed their mind a few hours before I left. So glad I ignored their advice and am here now when the rate is about 10 times locally at home!
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: pilgrim on November 08, 2020
Unhappy are you going senile, just a simple post from someone and your so rude! Take a tablet and relax,
how do your wife and family tolerate you!
Oh, maybe your a mouse with the wife and family and a big tough guy on here. It is not normal for a successful business person like your self! Get a grip. Regards 
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: unhappy on November 08, 2020
Pilgrim, you said it SIMPLE POST that is all he does, I was trying to help somebody that I think is traveling a lot further than Europe to Tenerife and post what I had found out about the Tourist law and test.

Instead of you and him criticizing me, try posting something that helps others without being boring, after all is not that what this site is trying to do.

And yes I am a 4 foot weakling, and any man who does not listen to his wife, is in for a very hard life, but like in business I do not suffer fools, also my family think I am funny.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: angiebabes on November 08, 2020


And yes I am a 4 foot weakling,

AHA, Now I know who you are Unhappy! Iíve seen you lurking in the cheese isle at Mercadona. Look out for me - Iím described as an Amazonian - 6í11Ē tall, 20 stone with a husband who isnít allowed out!!
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: unhappy on November 08, 2020
No it was the isle next door, I was getting the Gin & the Wine for the good lady wife, as I don't touch a drop.

You do realise we are now going to be accused of posting silly posts.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: angiebabes on November 08, 2020
No it was the isle next door, I was getting the Gin & the Wine for the good lady wife, as I don't touch a drop.

You do realise we are now going to be accused of posting silly posts.

I do hope so! We are in dire need of some lighthearted banter on this site.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: pilgrim on November 08, 2020
Unhappy! That is the problem with you - your Tea Total ! No wonder your Unhappy all the time!
With all the temptation here, your a better fella than me if you can resist the bottle !!
I was in Harbour Club yesterday morning having breakfast, there were 4 Scottish Chaps drinking pints, it was nearer 10.30 than 11am!
Many people here have fallen the wrong way with the booze!
Hic!
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: unhappy on November 08, 2020
If you were Scottish, would you not be drinking at 10.30am, anything to stop having to listen to Herr Sturgeon.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on November 08, 2020
So did you manage to fly after all pilgrim?
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: paulaf on November 08, 2020
Do you think there's any likelihood of a curfew to 9pm or 10pm being brought in to reduce cases? There's a suggestion  on here that's all, it would spoil a holiday somewhat and hard on businesses again.

http://w.queeniesdailysnippets.wordpress.com
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on November 08, 2020
It would make no difference to holiday makers as we can simply shift our day forward. More effect on people working.

I think they are rolling out mass testing in the hotspots of Tenerife, which makes more sense.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: paulaf on November 08, 2020
Yes from that website I noted that 90% of the cases are in Santa Cruz and La Laguna. What do you mean shift your day just eating earlier? Not much fun for younger holidaymakers if they have to be home by 10pm though.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on November 08, 2020
We can just get up 2 hours earlier and go to bed 2 hours earlier. Since we retired time of day and day of week don't really matter and bank holidays are a disadvantage because things are shut.

I don't see why it is any different for young people when they are on holiday.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: paulaf on November 13, 2020
I read about the new restrictions starting today and the threat that if this doesn't work a curfew may be imposed. What do you think the chances of this coming in is and if you think it would be say 9or 10pm or 6pm like the new mainland one? If it was 6pm we would cancel our December holiday that's all, no fun not being able to go out to eat at night. Thanks
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on November 13, 2020
No idea because rules change about every week. The government's graph shows numbers in Tenerife have been going down in the last few days though.

https://grafcan1.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/156eddd4d6fa4ff1987468d1fd70efb6

We would just eat out during the day, which we tend to do because it is nicer outside during the day and less chance of catching it. If we eat out both lunch and evening we get fat, so tend to do only one or the other or neither today as it is cloudy.

I expect we will eventually end up in total lockdown again soon though as the Spanish measures are just tinkering around the edges at the moment.

Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: paulaf on November 13, 2020
Well I hope it doesn't come in, will kill the winter tourism season off for sure, especially as they must be hoping for UK tourists from 3rd December, no one will want to sit in a hotel room from 6pm. Hope it's just a temporary measure. Agree we only eat lunch or dinner but still wouldn't want to be stuck in every night even in an apartment.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: linda on November 14, 2020
Sincerely hope not as we go out in evening as hubby works in the day
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on November 14, 2020
It is an official threat from the government if numbers don't go down.

In Greater Manchester we lived under much stricter measures for months and number still went up. Hope the sunny weather helps here by allowing people to meet outside and the UV sterilises outside surfaces.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: pilgrim on November 15, 2020
Yesterday:  Flight home to blighty day! Locking up, checking every thing, clearing fridge, emptying bin.
Thinking all good, will leave for airport in a few minutes, check Emails on laptop before I put in bag.
Easyjet have sent me an email, should I bother looking, maybe just usual rubbish. Sent this morning at 8.30am. Guess I should look, might be about flight!
Well it's a link to UK immigration, something about a Locater app and code, I have to have this before I enter the UK in place!  What, why didn't I get this before!!  So I have to stop and go through 5 pages of details to fill in! Luckily I still had some credit on my dongle sim, I have no printer, so took a picture of the code.  Get to airport, all very quiet, on plane only about 30% full, the 2 seats next to me empty so all good.
Everyone wearing masks and all in all other than the rough landing with side wind and rain at Gatwick good flight. Thru passport control, then toward "nothing to declare" and I notice a Border Control fella,
as I walk pass, he says excuse me sir! I clock a deafen, a few more yards a hard tap on the shoulder.
I stop, he says can you come over to this desk. I say the only reason you stopped me, was because I never looked you in the eye! He asks me to open my flight bag, I say no you do it! As he is opening, I say that in 40 years I have never been stopped and in fact never see an official in this area at all. And woudn't be better if you were operative when a 100,000 are passing thru, not a few 1000 in Lockdown. I tell him that we all joke that it is harder to get into my local on a saturday night than into the UK via Gatwick.
I seem to have upset him a little, at this point he discovers my Mercadona plastic bag with my weeks unwashed underware in. Asks me to open (untie granny knot). I say no, you can do that please.
At which point he says, pack it all up your free to go!
I go thru and outside my mini cab is waiting. I say to the Iraqi driver, you've driven me before, he says maybe, but it could be my brother or one of the cousins.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: Georgie on November 16, 2020
Unhappy

Please take the vaccine first so we can see if it works please

If you are still miserable then it works
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: Edward Bear on November 16, 2020
Georgie, you are an obnoxious little creep. Please stay in Cyprus or wherever you decide to go so long as you give Tenerife a break.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: unhappy on November 17, 2020
Georgie, the only time I am miserable is when I see you have posted again.

As for taking the vaccine great as long as it is in the arm, one pain in the bum is enough for anybody.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: Georgie on November 17, 2020
You 2 must have emotional problems

Don't worry when we can return it will be my pleasure to turn up and have a beer

Always face bullying behind a website

Can't wait
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: Georgie on November 17, 2020
Just learnt that there is a new virus going round called northern bulls@@@#$

There is no vaccine apart from a dose of rubbish
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: blarer on November 17, 2020
Georgie, if you had a brain you'd be dangerous.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: unhappy on November 18, 2020
BULLSHIT, has only 3 letters to spell it correctly not 5, I am feeling miserable again.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: Mary on November 18, 2020
Please everyone donít give an obvious troll any more of your time.heís enjoying himself by winding you all up and pushing buttons, ignore him.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: angiebabes on November 18, 2020
Please everyone donít give an obvious troll any more of your time.heís enjoying himself by winding you all up and pushing buttons, ignore him.

Well said Mary, if we all ignore him, donít answer anything he posts, he will eventually move onto another site.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: Georgie on November 18, 2020
Or you cannot expect the truth

I only come on here for holiday information and found people that don't

A troll are you joking
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: Edward Bear on November 18, 2020
Georgie , I don't think that you are welcome on this medium as you continue to bore the pants off us with your gobbledegook. Now go and read your holiday brochures. 
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: blarer on November 19, 2020
well said Edward Bear.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: pilgrim on November 19, 2020
What a miserable OLD bunch you are, lighten up or get lost! It's all C R A P P Y enough everywhere at the
moment, your all like the KKK, not hiding behind a robe but a keyboard. Sorry if Georgie doesn't come up to your intellect or vocabulary levels!
Maybe you should take a sedative and have a lie down, or wake up and get a LIFE!
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: Mary on November 19, 2020
We are all hiding behind a keyboard as you put it Pilgrim, you included although some of us do use our proper names.
You mentioned lack of intellect and vocabulary as a reason for people getting fed up with Georgies posts, surely   you donít need to be intellectual to be a troll, just a trouble maker fits the description.
.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: angiebabes on November 19, 2020
Pilgrim, you neednít apologise to me for Georgie not reaching my heights of intellect or vocabulary, he could do that himself. But no, he clearly doesnít reach any heights of any social or educational standards. His posts are repetitive, misspelt, mistyped, boring, lacking content and totally unnecessary.  His one aim is to annoy and cause upset on what by and large is a very useful base for answering questions and learning information on the area around and including LG, this is what it was designed for.

I am old, I am hopefully discerning, and I always aim to be polite and respectful of othersí opinions. If Iíve got nothing useful to say on this site I donít post. You may champion people like GEORGIE, for whatever reason. Some of us are totally fed up with his posts, opinions, constant request for Ďupdate of worksí. With your encouragement we will have to endure his needless posts for much longer.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: unhappy on November 19, 2020
I don't need to add anymore, well said ladies.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: losgiganteskid on November 19, 2020
Perhaps Georgie and Pilgrim are one and the same person.  It has been known on this website in the past (all may be not what it seems !!)
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: Edward Bear on November 19, 2020
LGK I don't think so.  Look at the stats.

Me 14 years a member     1188 posts  average .228

Pilgrim 13 years a member 1034 posts average .221

Georgie 4 years a member  1174 posts average .712

I rest my case. Empty vessels make the most noise. QED

Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: Georgie on November 19, 2020
Edward your statistics are better than the covid 19 statistics

My post getting expensive has 70080 views that is a record for the site for people wanting to know what is going on

Stick to the jokes you used to post please
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: angiebabes on November 19, 2020
GEORGIE - reading your insulting remarks to Edward Bear  demonstrates as nothing else can to me, that you know b....r all about LG. Edward Beard is a legend in his own lifetime, those of us who used to go to Taganaste many years ago so well remember being entertained by him, and he is a legend. How very dare you!!!
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: Georgie on November 19, 2020
Insulting remarks

Sorry missed the point
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: angiebabes on November 19, 2020
Insulting remarks

Sorry missed the point

YES YOU ARE RIGHT, YOU MISS THE POINT CONSTANTLY THATíS THE PROBLEM.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: frogeddy on November 19, 2020
angiebabies ... give it a rest....you're beginning to sound like an old has been groupie ...I know Mr Bear has told a few good jokes .. but a legend? really? Please find another hobby other than georgie bashing .... and if you do please keep it to yourself.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: pilgrim on November 19, 2020
Angie what is wrong with you, Georgie has not been rude at all - YOU HAVE!  My mother in law got rude and insulting and then later diagnosed with early onset sadly, so she was forgiven.
And regards to Taganasti, we don't remember anyone being rude like you there. Generally a good bunch trying to get the Live music scene going! We would joke with Fred and Glynis (god bless them) that the place should be called Tastynasty, the only blessing was that you couldn't really see what you were eating with the dull lighting.
It costs nothing to be polite.
And you don't have to read a post by any particular person should you not wish!
GROW UP!
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: unhappy on November 19, 2020
I think the MORON meant extensive, as for the 70080, 70079 were to see what crap you are asking again & again & again & again & again & again & again & again & again & again & again & again & again & again, am I becoming boring, now you know what most of us think about your posts.

PLEASE PLEASE CAN WE JUST IGNORE HIS STUPID POSTS ALONG WITH ANYBODY ELSE HE HAS SUPPORT FROM AND IGNORE THEM, DON'T REPLY TO ANYTHING HE POSTS.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on November 19, 2020
Was the Taganasti you speak of what is now the Bodegon La Caldera Portuguese restaurant on Calle Tajinaste?
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: unhappy on November 21, 2020
Back to restrictions, I see Tenerife has had their Special status extended until the 4th of December because of the large increase of covid cases.

Also with the chance of receiving the vaccine in January in the UK, it looks like our winter break my be put back this year
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: linda on November 29, 2020
Till 10 December now
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: unhappy on November 29, 2020
Thanks I did know that, we have flights booked or the 12th, the problem is not the date but the talk of having a lockdown in Tenerife if the figures keep increasing.

Having spent 6 weeks in the last lockdown, just getting the sun on your back is not enough when you feel you are in a police state, and the only thing you are allowed to do is breath or shop for food.

The townhouse we rented was great, the complex it was in there were only about 6 owners living there, the heated pool was fantastic, the most people we had seen in it was 3 in 10 weeks they chained & padlocked the entry gates & with all the bars & restaurants closed it was not much of a holiday at the end.

My wife & myself would rather stay at home than go through that again
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on November 29, 2020
Case numbers have been pretty static recently at about 70 / 100K / week, which is above the magic 50 threshold but it still keeps the Canaries as a whole below 50, so the government seems content to let it tick along with a couple of deaths a day as they are desperate to have tourism.

I think the next escalation would be a curfew, rather than a full lockdown, but who knows?

There are 9 active cases in the Santiago del Teidi region at the moment.


Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: angiebabes on November 29, 2020
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There are 9 active cases in the Santiago del Teidi region at the moment.
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Where do you get your figures from ? I understand there are far more cases in SDT but reliable figures are very hard to come by.mi agree with you Unhappy as we too endured the lockdown previously imposed, to me the reality was the 100,000 tourists who left the island reduced the figures incredibly, but Iím no expert.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: unhappy on November 29, 2020
Nophead, yes figures can be very misleading, there are only 9 cases reported in SDT but the figure is increasing, also in the last 3 days there has been 14 fatalities in Tenerife but none in SDT.

You only need one person with undetected covid from PDC or ADH where the infections are rising exponentially to visit the area, and anything could happen to those figures, there are idiots in Tenerife as well as the UK.

My post was not about that though, it was about the possibility of another lockdown there, and as you jumped ship before it came in to action, sorry you have no idea what it was like.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on November 29, 2020
The figures come from here: https://grafcan1.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/156eddd4d6fa4ff1987468d1fd70efb6

There have been new cases in SDT while we were here but also people have recovered, so the active cases is about the same. No deaths in SDT not even any in hospital while we have been here, or ever if the figures are to be believed. Not sure where it counts the death as when you die in hospital.

Seems like the R  value is about 1 so it could go either way. It is like a pencil balanced on its point.

We were here in March when the lockdown started, so I agree it was no fun. If it happens again we might jump ship again, but the UK is much worse at the moment. We haven't been allowed to socialise with anybody in the UK for months and it looks like that will stay until the vaccine next year. We only had a few weeks of freedom to host people in July and Sept. There are a few days at Christmas but we probably wouldn't see anybody because they would use their 3 household limit with closer family.

The big difference in the first lockdown was you couldn't go out for exercise. Unless they do that again, I think we are better off here. We can socialise with friends and go to bars and restaurants.



Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: pilgrim on November 29, 2020
Yes, still strange times! We are back home in Uk now. But planning to be out early January all being well.
The flights from Gatwick look very cheep at moment, but may wait a couple of weeks to see how the land lies, so to speak!
Dear Unhappy, nice to read you and Nophead are all okay now!
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: unhappy on November 30, 2020
Nophead, that is where I have been obtaining my information from, but the worrying thing is that GC who's figures were a lot worse than TF have been able to reduce theirs without going in to Special Measures, but now TF have had theirs extended until the 10th but are not controlling the spread & deaths are rising.

Yes you are right the last lockdown was very restrictive & if they have another one, will they not only stop you taking a walk but close the bars & restaurants again as well, even staying for 3 months we like to eat out every couple of days & although we are renting a 2 bed 2 bath apt with a 137 sq mt terrace not being  allowed out would not be a holiday.

There are other considerations to take into account also, when will the vaccine be available in the UK, everybody has to obtain a PCR test to visit, the cheapest we have found is £120.00 ea, also I will require an International driving licence, what will the airlines do ?, there seems a lot of questions & restrictions before we even get there.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: angiebabes on November 30, 2020
Unhappy, like you I thought we would need an international driving licence. However, I read recently that for six months there is a Ďtransitioní period. Is this right do you know?
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: unhappy on November 30, 2020
I am unsure I have checked both the UK & Spanish gov sites but neither are very clear, so for £5.50 from the post office, I will get one just to make sure.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on November 30, 2020
Yes not being able to eat out is not a holiday but we can't do that at home anyway, so at the moment it is much better here and even if it gets more restrictive it has a long way to go before it gets to tier 3 type restrictions, which aren't much different from full lockdown for us.

We would need to be in tier 1 at home to get the similar restrictions as Tenerife. I.e. to be able to go into a bar with friends or for just a drink without a substantial meal, and that is currently only Cornwall. I would be surprised if Manchester gets down to tier 1 before we go home in March because there will be a big peak at Christmas.

I am not surprised numbers are not coming down here because the special measures are such a light touch. They obviously are trying to strike a balance between hospitality and health but it swings much more to hospitality here than in the UK because it is a much bigger part of the economy and the hospitals don't seem to be overwhelmed. The UK has far less hospital beds per capita than the rest of Europe and rates are 10 times lower here. The only thing the rates threaten here are the travel corridor.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: angiebabes on November 30, 2020
I agree with you Unhappy and will do the same when we decide to book flights and head to Tenerife but want the vaccine first.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on November 30, 2020
Good luck with that for this year winter season. I think we will probably get it some time in the summer in time for next year but we are probably later on the list.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: pilgrim on December 03, 2020
Great news with vaccine!
Says in news today, one of the hubs to distribute the Vaccine is Epsom Race course. Which is up the Road from our house! We moved here as it was nice and quiet!
Anyways, they hope to do a million a week nationally. But if it is anything like the testing, they won't achieve this anytime soon is my guess! So a million is a lot per week, but when you have nearly 70million people!
Don't hold your breath, it will take well into 2022 to get everybody done.
Oh and the Vaccine approved yesterday needs two injections, the 2nd one month after the first! So will that slow it up even more!!
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: pilgrim on December 04, 2020
Arrived in Cornwall this afternoon, booked a pub/restaurant for this evening at 7pm. Arrived, asked if we were living in Cornwall on a permanent basis (they also have seen us a thousand times), reply no. Ask what tier we come from. Explain 2. Say special area in lounge for Tier 2 people. We have to order from table drinks, food etc..   And can only drink alcohol while we are eating, soon as we are finished eating we have to finish our alcoholic drinks. What about coffee I ask? yes, we can have coffee or any other soft drink and remain in our seats to closing time!!!
Crazy, back now via offy!!
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on December 05, 2020
From today groups limited to 4 and curfew from 11 pm to 6am in Tenerife.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: pilgrim on December 08, 2020
Has anybody who has flown via Gatwick lately, had the Covid test for travel, and where did you get it done?
And how much?
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: paulaf on December 08, 2020
Hi we used Wren very good service and a few locations in the South East, £145 for 48 hours and £170 for 24 hours. They were highly recommended by people on Cyprus trip advisor.

https://wrenhealthcare.co.uk/covid-19-pcr-testing/
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: unhappy on December 09, 2020
Boots the chemists are also doing PCR tests at major city stores, the price is £120.

We have decided because of the new restrictions in Tenerife which if the figures are not brought under control could mean another lockdown, also the vaccine should be come available to our age group shortly, we will wait for our winter holiday until we have had the jab.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: pilgrim on December 09, 2020
Thanks fellas!
Boots near Gatwick are doing it, but not the ones near us. Also I believe there is a test centre in Airport car park, so may try that. There are kits, but I would be worried in case we didn't get the swab correct!
I have had a test from the government centre earlier in the year, and it was quite evasive, with the swab half way down your throat, and right up nose!
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: cs on December 09, 2020
looks like it will be antigen tests needed from tomorrow
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: Tanemera on December 09, 2020
Yes, Canarian government have apparently defied Madrid and decreed in favour of Antigen.  I wonder if they will get away with it though.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: losjack on December 10, 2020
Canary Islands removed from Travel Corridor list as of 4am Saturday 12th December. Arriving after that you will have to self-isolate
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: debandgreg on December 10, 2020
Travel insurance no longer valid and the Canaries underwritten insurance with Axa will no longer cover people from the UK so nobody will travel now. We were meant to be coming for Christmas and New Year but now cancelled.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: pilgrim on December 10, 2020
We were over for new year, but not prepared to isolate. Am needed out and about!!
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: pilgrim on December 10, 2020
Also every time a shift or possible movement or not, posturing in Brexit some sort of restriction to travel seems to happen! Best outcome is no deal, then we will all be back, and they will be happy to welcome us again with open hands.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on December 10, 2020
I don't think it has anything to do with Brexit. The Tenerife figures have surged and made the Canarian seven day average go about the limit of 50 / 100K. The other islands must be pissed off with Tenerife!
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: unhappy on December 11, 2020
Very glad we decided to abort our winter holiday, we were due to fly out tomorrow at 12.30, not worried about isolating as we were not coming back until the end of March so things no doubt would have changed.

What is very sad is what's happening, the Canaries going against Spain, then Spain changing it's own restrictions and bringing in a TMA test as well as a PCR test, the only problem with that is there's very little information on the TMA test. I tried to find out yesterday and got 2 different answers one saying it was a blood prick test the other a throat/nasal swab, along with the Canaries declared Antigen test, which they forget Spain are in control of their borders, and now the UK closing the travel corridor it is becoming more like a circus everyday.

As we know what needs to happen is as from day one, people to act more responsible, and the vaccine to become available to everybody.

As for Brexit I see the "little frog" was at it again yesterday saying when we leave we will only be allowed to stay for 90 days as though it was a new EU law, perhaps he forgot France signed up for Shenggen.

The next thing we will see him strutting along with his hand tucked into his coat, I wonder if he can ride a horse ?.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: Tanemera on December 11, 2020
From the "Local" (Spain's news in English).....

"On Wednesday, Spainís government announced modifications to the entry requirements and said alongside a PCR test, they would also accept a negative TMA (Transcription- Mediated Amplification), a more rapid form of testing using a blood sample from a finger prick rather than a nasal swab.

However the government stopped short of allowing antigen tests arguing that they were still not reliable enough."

More here...
https://www.thelocal.es/20201210/spain-modifies-covid-test-requirements-for-travellers
https://www.spainenglish.com/2020/12/10/spain-changes-covid-19-test-requirements-travellers/

Two websites I looked at say it is a blood test, one says a nasal swab.  All say it is quicker than the PCR.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: AWOL on December 11, 2020
It is a shame but we have more or less decided to stay here in our little haven of normality with 2 active cases and a normal life and not have the hassle in LG. Would very much like some sun and warm air but so be it. There will be next year hopefully April/May time all being well. Will need to do some cleaning on the patio know doubt >:(

I very much agree with "unhappy".

(As we know what needs to happen is as from day one, people to act more responsible).

AWOL
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: Tanemera on December 11, 2020
Just read on the Shengen news-sheet that the EU are going to spend 6.241 BILLION euros over the next 7 years establishing and implementing a coherent visa policy.  You couldn't make it up! 
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: unhappy on December 15, 2020
Sadly I see Tenerife could be going into total lockdown again because the high rise in covid cases, even the Government are frustrated by people not acting more responsibly.

With this in mind and the Germans also going into lockdown until after Christmas it does not look very helpful to the Islands economy.

When are people throughout the World going to realise even with the vaccine, to beat this virus is NOT going to be a quick fix
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on December 15, 2020
When are the governments going to realise they can't control a pandemic and just let it happen?

How can the the measures in Tenerife possibly control the spread? A rule of 4 and a curfew plus wearing masks hasn't worked anywhere in the world.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: janey on December 15, 2020
the next date for the canarian government to make a decision with regard to rules is 18th december i thought
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: unhappy on December 15, 2020
nophead you are talking rubbish, when Governments make draconian measures like lockdowns, because people DO NOT act responsibly, the figures and the spread go down.

The people to blame are not Governments but the human race, we are stupid if we think a fairy godmother is going to wave a magic wand, and this is going to go away.

Until we adhere to what the experts are telling us to do, how much we may dislike it, many more people will be infected and die.

It would appear that the situation in Germany is the total proof of PEOPLE, not a Government behaving irresponsible, this country was held as the shining light at controlling the virus, not any more, thanks to idiots.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on December 15, 2020
For the numbers to go down exponentially instead of up exponentially each person that is infected has to infect less than one other on average.

The rules say we can sit at a table in a bar in a group of four. If one of us has it then most likely the other three will get it since we all take our masks off to eat and drink. And there is not limit to how many different groups of four we can join.

So if everybody follows the governments rules, why would the numbers go down and not up?

The only way you can stop infected people spreading it is to prevent all social mixing as has been found in the UK. But 1/3 of people at least would rather have their social lives and take the chance. That is why we left the UK and came here. So far we have more freedom to eat out and spread it about. So we follow all the rules and do so.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: Tanemera on December 15, 2020
Just been jumping through hoops trying to arrange a COVID test for our (hopeful) arrival in Tenerife on 8 January.  Booked with Boots but could only get an 11 a.m. appointment on 5th.  Then we realised 11 a.m. on 5th plus 72 hours = 11 a.m. on 8th, which is 4 hours before we arrive in Tenerife.  I checked online and confirmed that the 72 hours starts when the test is conducted, not when the certificate is signed.  And the requirement is for it to be valid on flight arrival. not departure.  Cancelled Boots.

After further investigation, we booked with East Midlands Airport who do tests via Collinson for £99, provided you have a valid flight booking from EMA.  Got a 5 pm slot which gives us 2 hours to spare from our 72  hours.  Hopefully we will get our negative certificates before we have to check in.

It will all be worth it to get back to the sunshine and relative freedom!
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on December 15, 2020
We met a couple that had paid £500 for tests because the first ones they got expired when their flight was cancelled and they had to get another, so they paid for four PCR tests!

It doesn't stop people with confidence and money coming but a lot will not chance the expense because if your test turns out positive you lose your holiday and if you flight is delayed you could be refused admission at the border.

The BBC said today that the UK should be able to vaccinate all the over 65's by March and then the death rate will drop by 90% and be acceptable, so restrictions could start to be eased then.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: unhappy on December 15, 2020
I wonder where the BBC got their figures from perhaps the experts or the Government, the people you keep saying don't know what they are doing.

It appears you want your cake and eat it, all the freedom, and it's not your fault if you contract the virus and pass it on to somebody else, with that attitude it's no wonder as you put it exponentially it is out of control yet again worldwide.

That is why we did not fly out to Tenerife on the 12th losing money, we will not be going to the property we have paid for 3 months, again losing money, our health and also that of others is very important to us and not moaning about sitting with only a couple of people at a restaurant.

I wonder who you would blame if you ever caught the virus, you can't blame the experts or the UK Government, your not here.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on December 15, 2020
The report was from Nick Triggle, the best health journalist the BBC has in my opinion. He said they just managed to vaccinate all the over 65s for flu in two months, so three months was not unreasonable for Covid, as it takes two doses.

We do our best to avoid catching it, but unless we stay at home and do nothing there is some risk we will catch it when dining / drinking out. Then there is some risk it will kill us but we know it is less than the risk we will drop dead of something else in the next year, so we don't stay at home, as that would be stupid.

I wouldn't blame anybody else because we manage our own risk in life and don't rely on a nanny state to look after us. The government is not acting in the interests of the healthy majority.

It is out of control worldwide because they only way to control it is for everybody to stay at home until they get vaccinated and then the economy doesn't work.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: unhappy on December 16, 2020
So this Nick Triggle knows upto the last minute how many people are alive in all the age groups, I doubt the Government know those figures.

I guess what you are saying is you are not going to change what you want to do even if because of your mixing you could contract the virus, have no symptoms but pass it on to others, because you could drop dead at any time, "and I was accused of having my glass half empty"

You then go on to say you don't rely on the nanny state to look after you and the Government should only look after the healthy, so they should not waste money on a National Health Service, but invest in Funeral Directors, so they can bury the healthy and make a lot more money, to spend on the healthy of course.

Your words, the virus is out of control worldwide, the main reason is because people will not stay at home, that's why Governments are now enforcing lockdowns.

How do you think the world's economies would look if they did not do this, I think you or myself have no idea the figures they are dealing with and the consequences if they don't act, let alone the terrible death toll.

None of us rely like being told what to do, but for the sake of our family, friends and people we don't know we all have to act more responsibly to stop this virus spreading.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on December 16, 2020
If governments did nothing the death toll would be about 1%, which is the same as die every year anyway, and many would have been the same people. The only effect on the economy would have been undertakers would have got a big boost for one year and care homes would have lost a lot of clients. So far it has killed about 0.1% but over the winter it is expected to kill another 0.1%. See https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-kingdom?view=total-deaths&tab=trend.

Nick based his assertion on the fact they have already vaccinated all the over 65s for flu in two months this year. He doesn't need to know how many there are but demographic information is not hard to find. See his article here https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55280701. Click on his name to see all the other reasoned reports about covid.

No we don't stay at home, particularly when encouraged to go out to dine funded by the UK government and encouraged to come to Tenerife by the Canarian government. I would only stay at home if it was illegal to go out or I felt it was unsafe.

There are only 14 active cases in the whole of the Santiago del Teidi region. Very unlikely to meet somebody with it but is certainly possible, just as the volcano might blow. There are probably about the same number of road deaths plus drownings in Tenerife as there are deaths from Covid.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: angiebabes on December 16, 2020
Nophead, youíre at it again! This man you quote states over 65ís have all been injected against flu - wrong! In our surgery alone and certainly throughout Dorset, people are still being encouraged to get the flu vaccine because of the low percentage take up so far. You talk as if Tenerife  is as big as UK, but because it is so small in mileage and you can cover north to south in a very short time, loads of people living in Santa Cruz head for the warmer weather in the west and south of the island most weekends, thus bringing the virus with them. Go to Alcala, walk round the back of the huge hotel and count the number of motor homes full of Spanish people, every weekend, and then look where they eat. Try and park in the car park, itís full of motor homes every weekend. They were moved from parking on the Varadero to Alcala Walk when the path was improved some years ago. Ditto El Puertito. If you live in high rise in Santa Cruz then it is most attractive to leave 4pm Friday afternoon and spend the weekend in Santiago and Guia and drive back up late Sunday night. Many people also have holiday flats round our area and commute daily or weekly. So the virus is transmitted far easier than say driving from Glasgow to Cornwall. You
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on December 16, 2020
Well the vaccine isn't compulsory, so of course they won't get all the over 65s, but it only matters that the ones that want it get it. If the others die that is their problem, not the government's.

Yes of course people from the north travel here, we keep our distance from the natives.

We minimise our risk by eating outside or in places that are nearly empty with plenty of ventilation. We shop in SuperDino that has hardly any customers or in Lidl late at night when it is empty.

So we make good use of our freedom while we have it

My point was that even if everybody sticks to the Tenerife rules the numbers will still rise. They are similar to Tier 1 rules in the UK. Numbers still rise in Tier 2 and perhaps fall slowly in Tier 3 but only fall rapidly after a few weeks of lockdown.

How could they possible fall here when we can socialise in groups of four? We only have four friends that have managed to get here but they have around four friends each and so on. So even though we are in a fairly small social bubble it is a lot of people, so if one of us got it they are bound to infect more than one other. So the R value must be above as locals will be much more connected.

Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: Tanemera on December 17, 2020
An update on my message re. PCR tests.  After further Googling I discovered this on the UK Gov site.....

"From 10 December, a TMA (Transcription-Mediated Amplification) swab test or a LAMP (Loop-Mediated Isothermal Amplification) test are also accepted by Spanish authorities, again taken within no more than 72 hours prior to arrival".

That certainly makes things easier because it reduces the wait time 42 hours to 90 minutes.  Just a pity Tenerife has now closed its borders to tourists, hopefully only for two weeks.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on December 17, 2020
Yes but Tenerife does not have the power to control its borders, that is for the national government of Spain, as was shown a few days ago when they overruled Tenerife allowing antigen tests for entry, so I have no idea what is going on.

The Canarian government site is self contradictory if Google translate is accurate. https://www3.gobiernodecanarias.org/noticias/el-gobierno-de-canarias-acuerda-limitar-la-entrada-y-salida-de-personas-de-tenerife/

It starts with:
Quote
In the case of national and foreign tourists who plan to come to the island of Tenerife on vacation, they can avail themselves of the exceptionalities contemplated by the current regulations on the right of admission in tourist accommodation establishments, where a negative health test must be presented that accredit being free of coronavirus.

But also says:
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The entry and exit of people to the island of Tenerife is restricted from midnight on December 18 (Friday) to January 1, 2021 and it is also recommended to avoid mobility between its municipalities. The restriction applied to Tenerife will apply except for those adequately justified trips that occur for any of the following reasons contemplated in article 6 of Royal Decree-Law 926/2020, of October 25, the rule that declares the state of alarm in the country to contain the spread of infections caused by SARS-CoV-2:

Assistance to health centers, services and establishments.
Compliance with labor, professional, business, institutional or legal obligations.
Attendance at university, teaching and educational centers, including nursery schools.
Return to the place of habitual or family residence.
Assistance and care for the elderly, minors, dependents, people with disabilities or especially vulnerable people.
Travel to financial and insurance entities, or to refueling stations in neighboring territories.
Required or urgent actions before public, judicial or notarial bodies.
Renewals of permits and official documentation, as well as other administrative procedures that cannot be postponed.
Taking official exams or tests that cannot be postponed.
Due to force majeure or situation of need.
Any other activity of a similar nature, duly accredited.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: nophead on December 17, 2020
Speaking to a local, he said the Canarian Government can increase boarder restrictions but not reduce them.

However it appears tourists can still enter with a PCR test but locals are blocked.
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: pilgrim on December 22, 2020
We will not now be out on the 7th Jan.
I am thinking that this new strain may be a blessing. They say it is not as deadly as previous, but 70% more transmittable. So yes there will be deaths, but if we all or most of the population get it quickly. We should develop this herd immunity they talk about. Should be a lot quicker than waiting for the vaccine !
Title: Re: Restrictions
Post by: paulaf on December 22, 2020

I am thinking that this new strain may be a blessing. They say it is not as deadly as previous, but 70% more transmittable. So yes there will be deaths, but if we all or most of the population get it quickly. We should develop this herd immunity they talk about. Should be a lot quicker than waiting for the vaccine !

That's exactly what I thought especially if its mutated to be less deadly as suggested when it mutates.