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Title: Virus
Post by: pilgrim on March 12, 2020
We got home to UK last week, no checks for health or immigration at Gatwick. UK must be the easiest country to get in to! It is a joke. Anyways guy behind us on the plane coughing! I hope he put a tissue to his mouth but who knows. Next day I have sniffles, don't think it is the Virus as have been checking the symptoms. But who knows! Heathrow is the same, but worse as busier, and they descend to the tube and travel into London, absolutely crazy.
It seems that Tenerife strict protocol has limited or prevented any further outbreaks, so well done to them.
We were planning to return early May, but have decided to pull back before we book to see what is happening in the future.
I think this Pandemic will spread to back to Canaries and every where else. So will plan day to day, and maybe holiday closer to home, somewhere like Cornwall after Easter this year. Then maybe Ireland or Scotland this summer.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: Davymar on March 13, 2020
We are still out here, we were plannng to go to kalamata at the end of may, we will probably put that on hold until we see what happens, we have flights booked for kefalonia in september, we can only wait and see what happens by then, worst case is, we lose our money and holiday.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: unhappy on March 13, 2020
The problem is nobody knows, we are due to fly home on the 29th following 3 great months here that's if the flight is Ok & the UK allow us in, other countries are already closing borders

Spoke to my sister in law yesterday who lives in Kalamata no problems she says.

My brother in law is coming over to the UK next month from Austraila to stay with us and then onto Florence & Naples for a holiday we don't know what to do, anything could happen.

I do hope every country send a bill to China who could have stopped this happening.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: Georgie on March 13, 2020
For the first time in my life I have been ask to work from home due to the virus

It must be serious
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: losjack on March 14, 2020
Can I get my UK prescription filled in Tenerife?
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: Mary on March 14, 2020
All flights to the Canary Islands,Balearics,and mainland Spain cancelled. They have turned several jet2 aircraft around mid flight and returned to uk. Jet2 are currently working on repatriation for their clients currently on holiday.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: unhappy on March 14, 2020
Losjack I forgot my blood pressure tablets once went to a local doctor told him my tablets he gave me a prescription did not charge me and the pharmacy had the tablets which you do have to pay for
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: pilgrim on March 14, 2020
Many years ago, our luggage ended up still back at Gatwick, due to a strike. Stupidly we had 3 types of UK prescription drugs in them. We went to the little chemists alongside Green Corner, and the old fella just gave us replacements no questions asked! It was the one and only time we ever brought cases out! Typical!
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: Dolly Diver on March 14, 2020
This nightmare situation just got worse.  As we come within Spanish law  Tenerife and the other Canary Islands are in lockdown from Monday 8am for 15 days

You are only allowed out for essential purposes eg supermarket or pharmacy, all businesses including bars and restaurants have to close.  The police have full power to enforce this.

Read the full info here in English  https://www.janetanscombe.com/area/news
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: Georgie on March 14, 2020
Same for us the man and his daughter are very good for prescription drugs and also the one in playa arena
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: Georgie on March 14, 2020
Also my friends are in adjeje and there will be an announcement tonight if the bars will close until further notice
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: Davymar on March 14, 2020
This nightmare situation just got worse.  As we come within Spanish law the Canaries is in lockdown from Monday 8pm for 15 days

You are only allowed out for essential purposes eg supermarket or pharmacy, all businesses including bars and restaurants have to close.  The police have full power to enforce this.

Read the full info here in English  https://www.janetanscombe.com/area/news
          dolly, i have just looked at the spanish version, it says the lockdown starts monday 8am not 8pm, i could be wrong, but thats how i read it.

Thank you for pointing that out.  Yes, it is from 8AM Monday. DD
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: pilgrim on March 14, 2020
Think I would start heading for the supermarket, and get some booze in!
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: Davymar on March 14, 2020
Think I would start heading for the supermarket, and get some booze in!
       already done that!   We are due to fly home on tuesday  ( providing sleazyjet comes to pick us up)  so it should not affect us too much, got to feel sorry for those just arrived, plus the bars and restaurants that will lose out.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: unhappy on March 14, 2020
Pilgrim, sshhh went to Mercadona in pa this morning you would think the world was coming to an end, shopped and did not half fill half a small trolley took us 30 mins to pay for our food, my wife went yesterday the shelves were empty

People with 2 trollies,  toilet rolls galore, but none on the shelves,  leaving we meet a Spanish senior gentleman in the lift he said in 30 years he had never seen anything like it,  people have gone crazy.

Trying to buy some newspapers as we have only ONE TOILET ROLL LEFT never mind at least we are well at the moment, just a bit worried we are due to fly home to the UK on the 29/03, hay ho  isn't life fun at 73 why should we worry and the SUN is still shining.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: pilgrim on March 14, 2020
My brother is on the last flight back to UK for Menorca, everything is already closed and in lockdown!
I hope your flight is okay for Tuesday Davymar, a close call I would say!
And unhappy try the small local shops, I confess I have done this here at home, and bought up bog rolls and kitchen towels to my shame, my family laughed at me. But they are happy now!
Stay safe, apparently using alcohol is as good a hand gel. I have never drunk hand gel, so make sure you stock up on the booze!
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: AWOL on March 15, 2020
I think the Lockdown started at Midnight Saturday (last night).

Have a look at the Tenerife webcams. It is a sad sight.

Keep safe EVERY ONE WHEREVER YOU ARE.

AWOL
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: losjack on March 15, 2020
Thank you Unhappy and Pilgrim your info re prescriptions has put my mind at rest
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: nophead on March 15, 2020
We were due to fly home on Thursday 19th but Easyjet have cancelled the flight :'(. Now we have to wait until tomorrow to try to book on one of their "rescue" flights. This is the second time it was cancelled because it was originally with Thomas Cook! Hopefully third time lucky!

We printed our boarding cards a month ago at a local print shop but now we will need new ones and won't be able to go there now. I think we will have to download Easyjet's app on our phones and trust it to work in the airport. I don't like retail companies running their software on my phone.

My wife can't return her library books so we might be info a big fine when we get back here!
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: nophead on March 16, 2020
Well it turns out our original flight that was cancelled was on the list of "rescue" flights that we could "switch" to. So we switched to the same flight and checked in again. The only thing that changed was our seat numbers and the flight number went from EZY1902 to EZY9902. It is at the same time so our taxi arrangements stand.

Fortunately our neighbour has a printer so they kindly printed new passes for us.

It looks like the last Easy Jet flights out are on the 20th. Not sure how people get home after that.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: Davymar on March 16, 2020
We were due to fly home on the 17th at 1'10 pm, they have cancelled that flight, but gave us a free transfer to the 18'55 pm flight, what anoys me is the fact that if i had not checked they never let me know, and the flight is now full anyway,   regarding boarding passes, easyjet send them by email if you ask, then they are already on the phone, no need to download their app, good luck!
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: unhappy on March 16, 2020
At least you are getting some info Ryanair are just saying flights cancelled until 19th although Spain's lockdown is until the 29th the day we are due to fly home.

A little more info would help RYANAIR, at least the madness at the supermarkets has died down, but still shortages, now security guard's and you have to keep your distance from each other.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: Davymar on March 16, 2020
We saw a brit couple fill up 3 trolleys at super dino on the hill yesterday, never seen it so busy!    The supermarket with all the bottles in the window, opposite sangria bar, when you enter, you have to wash your hands with the gel on the counter, then they give you a pair of gloves to wear, seems to have quietened down now, they have plenty of wine :) we will not be content until we have taken off for home!
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: unhappy on March 16, 2020
Yesterday small queue at Lidl but they were allowing only a few people in at one time, told by a member of staff rudley to put some gloves on, which you would of thought they would have been by the door but they were not, only to see another member of staff loading shelves, guess what no gloves or mask on.

I only went in for a couple of pints of milk, wish I had not bothered, don't like the shop anyway, the Mercadona staff are much more pleasent and helpful.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: Georgie on March 16, 2020
At least you have the sun

All delivery from supermarkets have been cancelled by supermarkets and went to tesco today and there was nothing left
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: unhappy on March 16, 2020
Yes the sun is shining, glad we are not in a hotel or tourist complex they have closed the swimming pools and entertainment, stuck in you room all day  "nice holiday", only problem Spain have now enforced a close border policy nobody in nobody out, except business or flights home

We rented our house local we have a lovely patio,large garden and fantastic views of the ocean we can walk to the supermarket in minutes.

Have spoken to the renters and they have said we can stop until we can get a flight home up to now we have it rented until the 02/04 but have booked flights on the 29/03, we have had a little more info from Ryanair today no email to just general info, they really need to do better, Mr O'leary must be crying in his beer.

Went to Mercadona this morning no queues, no toilet rolls, chilled cabinet very low and Pilgrim some of the wine is out of stock.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: nophead on March 17, 2020
Seems to be going the same way at home as well. Not certain but I think we may be told to go into 14 days self isolation when we get back and not even allowed to go out to buy food.

There seems to be no exit plan from this mess. If everything continues to be locked down the world economy will collapse in weeks.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: blarer on March 17, 2020
Does anyone know if La Miel is regarded as a vital service and is still open ?
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: nophead on March 17, 2020
If you mean the place in Playa Arena it has been closed for months, sometime last year I think.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: Georgie on March 17, 2020
Went to aldi in essex and there was nothing left

We were only looking for eggs and tin tomatoes
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: unhappy on March 17, 2020
nopead, if the UK think after least an enforced 15 days lockdown here, we are going to get home and then not be able to buy food for 14 days they must be crazy.

Are they trying to lower the infection rate by starving us to death, at least we can buy food here it's not raining and the sun is still shining, I would rather stay here.

Went to Mercadona today only 1 person allowed to shop, still no toilet rolls, so bought half a dozen bottles of wine instead, did a bbq tonight and watched the fishing boats out in the ocean," life sucks when the world is going crazy".
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: nophead on March 17, 2020
Not sure about what happens when we enter the UK. I assume if we have to self isolate they will tell us on the plane.

We won't starve as we have food in the freezer at home and friends that will drop stuff off if we can't get home delivery.

At the moment at least you can go for a walk in the UK, which you can't do here without a dog. We normally walk miles a day, so will soon get unfit staying in our apartment here. All there is to do is look at the view and eat and drink.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: SandyLea on March 17, 2020
All shops here in Suffolk fully stocked with everything.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: Davymar on March 18, 2020
We arrived back home from the 6.10pm flight to manchester last night, the Tenerife airport was chaotic, huge queues for vending machines, people sat all over the floor, loads of masks being worn, people have been told by the airlines to get a flight as soon as they can, some have lost what would have been half their holiday, others have to wait, people turning up to find their flight had been cancelled, for once, glad to be home!
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: Georgie on March 18, 2020
How sad
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: Pete on March 18, 2020
I also flew home yesterday and I don't recognise the talk of chaos etc.
Sun holidays transfer to the airport was efficient as usual, we had no queue at all for check in with Ryanair, we sailed through security. In departures all the duty free shops were closed, but there was a bar open for drinks, W H Smith's was open, the vending machines were kept restocked. some people sat on the floor but we found a seat without too much trouble. A few people wore masks but the vast majority didnt. We boarded on time and had the usual flight home at our scheduled time. People do seem to love drama when none really exists.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: pilgrim on March 18, 2020
Well it's starting here in London. Rumour is we will be in Lockdown by the end of the week! Trains on Sunday service, and only travel or drive for essentials like food and doctor/hospital.
I don't know where you are returning home to Pete! And unless you are retired, you may find a bit of Drama in your occupation, or lack of it.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: nophead on March 18, 2020
Well at least in the UK you can still take exercise.

Prof Whitty, the UK's chief medical adviser, adds it is "very important" that children and adults take exercise, and being outside in the park is a "very good thing to do".

Speaking to the BBC's special coronavirus programme, he said: "The thing we are trying to avoid is people meeting up unnecessarily or having unnecessary social contact."

He says going to the park is encouraged, but crowding together with large groups of friends for long periods of time is advised against.


I will get glad to get home because I come here in the winter to get fit walking up and down the hills. I think the Spanish government are crazy saying people can't go out. Some can't even see the sun if they have a balcony facing north. This will go on for months and they will end up with a very unhealthy population.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: Pete on March 18, 2020
Your correct Pilgrim,  I donít live in London where all the cases appear to be.
I live in the North, got home late last night, good flight home, no drama, went to Aldi today, picked up a few toilet rolls, no shortage, local pub is still open, life goes on.
 Shouldnt we should just be telling the old and vulnerable to isolate and take care. Look after the high risk groups. Most other people will get mild symptoms and recover.
 Majority of the deaths so far are people with underlying health conditions. Itís an extremely small number 104 deaths so far in a population of nearly 70 million. More chance youíll die from flu or get run over going to panic buy at the supermarket.
Your correct in your assumption that Iím retired, but Iím optimistic rather than pesimistic, Iíve booked in for Sunday lunch at the local, if the dreaded virus makes me 105 out of the 70 million! Cest la vie.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: pilgrim on March 19, 2020
Pete, your indifference, and blasť attitude, is against what the advice and majority are working toward!
If you have no respect for your own welfare, you should at least have some for others, including your own
loved ones! May I kindly suggest you cancel your Sunday lunch at the 'Local Pub'. and self isolate as you have just returned from a Virus infected overseas region. If no symptoms are present after the isolation, sure you can go and have that pub lunch. Having an Optimistic outlook is not an antidote to Covid 19.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: AWOL on March 19, 2020
Fully agree. We returned home 2 weeks ago and went into semi isolation and have done our two weeks and are fine but we could have been infected during the journey home.

AWOL
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: Davymar on March 19, 2020
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People do seem to love drama when none really exists
Pete, i am glad you got home without drama, we too sailed through security, however, i find your attitude to the virus quite frightening! I have no underlying health issues personally, but i do feel a sense of responsibility to those less fortunate, it is up to the general public to help to control this virus by acting sensibly, it is a sad fact of life that this will not happen! this virus is NOT going away, even our los gigs taxi driver was wearing a mask, i believe the canarians did all they could under the circumstances, which is more than can be said about the uk panic buyers stood shoulder to shoulder coughing! :P
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: unhappy on March 20, 2020
Hay oh, Just been informed by Ryanair our flight has been cancelled on the 29/03, what I don't understand is it has been fully booked for some time, there are no flight restrictions from Tenerife, my only conclusion is that because they can not bring any passengers in, they could not care less about their customers already here. ( Shame on you Mr O'leary of Ryanair is money that more important to you )

They have informed me I can book another flight from the 3rd of MAY what has happend to the repatreaction flights ? for British subjects stuck abroad.

Also rang the British Consulate here it rings gives you a number to press then it disengages, great, no help at all
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: nophead on March 20, 2020
Airlines have been flying out empty planes for rescue flights and advising people to come home early on those. They can't carry on doing that forever.

Ryanair seem to be the worst. They were still flying people into Tenerife on Sunday and anybody that did not want to come lost their airfare. I don't know why they didn't offer you a rescue flight earlier. Was your flight booked as a return? I can imagine if it was a single they can just cancel it.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: unhappy on March 20, 2020
That does not add up you are saying Ryanair were flying people in last sunday, the Spanish Government are closing all hotels & tourist complexes from next Saturday, so if you flew out with them on a 2 week holiday that sunday you will be thrown out of your accomodation with no flights to get home & nowhere to stay.

They have taken our money and just left us here
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: nophead on March 20, 2020
It does seem like that. We were with Easyjet. They didn't actually inform us our flight was cancelled but I looked at it on their website on Sunday and it said it was cancelled and that I should book a rescue flight that would be released on Monday. So on Monday morning I logged on and found there was a rescue flight at the same time as our original flight yesterday. The only difference was the flight number went from 1902 to 9902 and we had to check in again.

The last flight on the rescue list for Manchester was today but I think they may have added some more. People next to us wanted to fly to Newcastle but could only get to Manchester. Manchester normally has the most flights to Tenerife of anywhere in the world, so we were lucky. Where are you flying to, can you get a flight to somewhere else in the UK?

We got home yesterday and the UK taxi driver we have used for years said he had one more job booked and that was it. He is trying to be re-employed as a delivery driver!

Went shopping today and found everything we needed but milk was vary scarce. Aldi seemed the best stocked, plenty of toilet rolls and fresh fruit and veg. No milk though, we got ours from a Co-op garage.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: nophead on March 20, 2020
Just seen this:

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Updated 6pm, 20/3: I hope this will reassure. UK Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab and Spainís Foreign Minister Arancha GonzŠlez have spoken and confirmed their shared commitment to support British tourists as they return from Spain. Both the Foreign Office and Department of Transport are working with UK airlines to ensure sufficient flights continue back to UK for British holidaymakers in Spain.

Title: Re: Virus
Post by: pilgrim on March 20, 2020
Unhappy, it seams you have been treated terribly! Years ago they cancelled our flight from Dublin, and made us drive to Cork for a flight! I had my elderly mum and aunt with us, it was no picnic. Have not been on a Ryan Air flight since!
Unhappy, just a suggestion?
Why don't you change your name from 'Unhappy'   You never know it may make a positive difference!
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: nophead on March 20, 2020
Oh and now taxi drivers are only allowed to have one passenger, so couples need two taxis to take them to the airport. Presumably a party of four would need four taxis!

It's bonkers because if one of a couple has it the other likely has as well. So in that case two taxi drivers would be infected instead of one. Even if there is half the chance of a driver being infected with one person, twice as many drivers with half the chance of getting it would be the same number of infections.

I think it must be just to get the maximum out of tourists before they have no business at all.

They will have to knock down all the hotels and revert them back to banana plantations because even if they stop the spread of infection they won't have any immunity, so will not be able to open the borders again.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: pilgrim on March 20, 2020
Sounds like a bit of a taxi scam!
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: unhappy on March 20, 2020
Pilgrim, this is the only site that I posting is under unhappy & until the government give me back the 18000.00 euro they stole from me, no chance.

nophead, perhaps instead of talking to the Spanish Mr Rabb should be talking to the British consulate here to help anybody who needs help over here.

As for myself 73 & my wife 70 and after talking to all our friends in the UK they are all saying we would be better off staying here. Went to Mercadona at 18.00 today almost everything in stock there was approx 6 YES 6 people in the store & the sun is still shinning

It is going to cost us a few bob, but at the moment we will just wait for the next flight out, Ryanair & jet2 are saying the 3rd of May
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: pilgrim on March 20, 2020
Well UK is closing all bars and Restaurants, schools, gyms, clubs etc... think shops and garages still okay! So maybe better of where you are Unhappy!
But weather is improving here at last, we have had a few dry days!
I have a few 60/70s classic cars, so told the wife we will just go out in those with a thermos flask and a sandwich. National Trust have closed their houses but the grounds remain open, the roads should be quite,
be just like out with my parents when I was a kid.
Well that's the idea!!!
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: Sangriaman on March 20, 2020
Sounds like a good plan to me pilgrim, letís just hope the hoarders donít turn their attentions from toilet rolls to petrol and we might just get away with it ????
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: nophead on March 21, 2020
Not easy to hoard petrol once your tank is full and as there is nowhere to go now, so not much motivation.

People are told to self isolate. People like myself who are retired only need to go out and mix with people when we buy food and toilet rolls. It makes sense to buy enough for 3 months if you have room to store it. I don't see why it is classed as hoarding. Seems like rational planning to me.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: unhappy on March 21, 2020
nophead, that is hoarding as you have said you are retired you can go anytime i hope you saw that poor nurse who had worked a 48hr shift and unable to get food, sorry shame on you and any other person who has the same attitude.

Title: Re: Virus
Post by: nophead on March 21, 2020
I don't want to go multiple times because I want to stay in to avoid contact. Milk is rationed to one bottle at the local shop. We normally buy two at a time, so now have to go twice as often. What sense is that?

If the government expect us to stay in they should expect us to buy enough food to cover that.

In other news, if you have a hire care you are allowed to drive yourself to the airport but your partner has to get a taxi. Scam or what?

Title: Re: Virus
Post by: unhappy on March 21, 2020
That is not what you posted you talked about having a 3 month supply that is hording
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: nophead on March 21, 2020
Well I think we would normally have about 2 months supply anyway but we ran things down before going to Tenerife in October, so only have enough for a about a month now. We emptied our fridge freezer because it has the same electronics as the one that burnt down Grenfell but we still have a small chest freezer full.

We tend to buy in bulk because it is cheaper and we have a large house. For example Tesco do offers of so much off when you spend £80, etc. My wife tries to use them all and that causes a big build up. Normally I tell her off for making the house look like a warehouse, but glad of it now.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: Sangriaman on March 21, 2020
Nophead if you are worried about going out for groceries etc, you should try online shopping! Weíve used Ocado for a couple of years now and they provide a great service. , But stockpiling , hoarding or whatever you want to call it is a very self centred approach to take in the current situation.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: nophead on March 21, 2020
I think Ocado stopped taking orders and online groceries are only 7% of the total, so they simply don't have capacity for everybody to get deliveries. I did see Amazon delivering toilet rolls to one of our neighbours.

Today we shopped for our elderly and vulnerable neighbours opposite as well but Costco were rationing most things to one item, so we had to split a two pack of milk. They need to bring back ration books so we can shop for others as well as ourselves.

We mainly got three bags of compost to grow our own food. We are usually self sufficient in fruit and veg in the summer. That is one of the reasons we have a freezer full of stuff. We get gluts and need to cook and freeze to store things.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: Georgie on March 22, 2020
I hope everyone is ok and healthy

The food shortage in essex seems to be improving

What is it like for those in los gigantes
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: unhappy on March 22, 2020
nophead, which planet do you live on, you say you have been over here from Oct & you left in March an expensive time over Christmas & New Year, yet you are scrimping & freezing food to last you the rest of the year, that you could give to your neighbours or those in need let alone stockpiling food.

Georgie, Talking to our friends in the UK they say we are better off staying here, there is no problem getting food no stortages, no queues, had to go to the pharmacy to day with my wife due to no flights until late April
or the 1st of May because we did not have enough medication to last I got 3 different blood pressure tablets that i take the same as I get in the UK 5.25 euro for a months supply for all the 3 tablets the NHS is being ripped off.

The weather has gone a little cooler but still walking around in tee shirt & shorts ( not a pretty sight ) so the wife says, but it is very quite no noise no traffic still allowed to go out to the supermarkets & pharmacies, the buses are running as are the taxis. The only draw back all the restaurants are all closed
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: angiebabes on March 22, 2020
Like unhappy we have opted to stay in in Tenerife and witnessing the complete stupidity of some Brits back in UK we are so glad we did. Yes, we are isolating, havenít been out for eight days, but we do,Pilates, walk round apartment for ten minutes x three times daily, jigsaws, cleaning, ukelele, Spanish and the day passes i the sunshine in our balcony. Our neighbours are so supportive so we are very lucky. The unnerving thing is the eerie silence which does sometimes get to me, but a gin and tonic solves that problem. Take care and stay safe inside, it will pass xx
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: nophead on March 22, 2020
We have our own apartment, so it doesn't cost any more to stay longer. No idea when we will see it again though.

There are no real food shortages where we live in the UK, just milk and toilet rolls tricky to get. We have plenty of the latter as we buy them in bulk from Costco normally.

We grow our own food in the summer, make it into meals and freeze it when it crops faster than we can eat it, and then use it the autumn and spring. I don't think that is hoarding and we do normally give stuff to our friends.  Probably not this year as we wont see them.

When we are in Tenerife we walk several miles a day. We don't have a car but we range from Playa San Juan to Santiago Del Teidi and keep fit and we always go everywhere together.

Lock down would soon make us fat and unfit. Currently we can still walk as far as we want in the UK, can shop together, etc. The only things shut are bars, restaurants and a few shops.

It is bright and sunny here and there are more people out and about than normal. Partly because it is the first nice weather and probably because they fear a lockdown might be coming. I don't think you catch things from people you walk past outside otherwise we would be permanently ill.

And the day is now longer than Tenerife which is why we returned around the equinox.

The approach seems to be different in the UK. Tell the elderly and infirm to isolate themselves and let the rest catch it and build up herd immunity to stop the epidemic. I don't see any plan of what Spain will do to end the lockdown. Unless there is a vaccine it will need to last forever.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: Davymar on March 23, 2020
Like unhappy we have opted to stay in in Tenerife and witnessing the complete stupidity of some Brits back in UK we are so glad we did. Yes, we are isolating, havenít been out for eight days, but we do,Pilates, walk round apartment for ten minutes x three times daily, jigsaws, cleaning, ukelele, Spanish and the day passes i the sunshine in our balcony. Our neighbours are so supportive so we are very lucky. The unnerving thing is the eerie silence which does sometimes get to me, but a gin and tonic solves that problem. Take care and stay safe inside, it will pass xx

Have a practice at this, i too play a uke (badly)
https://youtu.be/j7iKQbER2uQ (https://youtu.be/j7iKQbER2uQ)
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: pilgrim on March 24, 2020
Day 1 of UK lockdown. After PM dictat last night. We are in some confusion. My neighbour who works in construction in central London did not go in today. His boss rang him midmorning asking why! Like me he thought only essential people should travel. But no! building is going ahead. Also garages and corner shops still open. We need some clarity?
As I have said previous, flight visitors have been arriving at Heathrow and descending down to the Tube, then straight into London. It is like a Corona19 fever tube to the centre of the population. Absolutely crazy.
Today in UK 88 deaths. the curve is expected to double every 3-5 days based on Italy and Spain.
Thing is they didn't have a fever tube to the centre of the metropolis.
Am thinking of the worst maybe, and hoping for the best!
Fingers crossed!
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Post by: unhappy on March 24, 2020
My wife & myself have now decided to stay here, we were considering flying to Heathrow on Saturday because there are no flights to the Midlands or the North but after talking to our friends in the UK and telling us we would need to get 2 taxis home to the Midlands because of the restrictions or try & get a train we thought traveling in a full aircraft & then a train for hours with people we have never meet or know their circumstances was unwise.

It is very quite here, they have now closed all the hotels & tourist complexes, where we shop in Mercadona only one person is allowed to shop as you go in you are given a pair of gloves & made to steralize your trolly
& asked to keep your distance from other shoppers, no shortages except wine at the moment.

It poured down on Sat night & Sun, but is still sunny & warm but the wind is blowing a bit
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Post by: nophead on March 24, 2020
To put some perspective on it the govt said if they did nothing 500,000 would die of Covid19 in the UK. On their previous tack it was projected at 250,000 and with lock down they are aiming for 20,000 which seems wildly optimistic.

The great majority of people that die from Covid19 are old or infirm or both. The average age of the Italian dead is over 78. In the UK 600,000 people die every year and the majority of those are old or infirm, so there must be a large overlap.

That means the extra deaths in reality would be nowhere near as high. And every year another 600,000 mainly from the same group die, so in reality after a small number of years there would be very little difference in the people left alive.

A much bigger problem is the economy has already taken a bigger hit that 2008 and this is only the start. By the end of the lock downs the world will be ruined for the people that survive the Covid19, the young and healthy that are prevented from working.
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Post by: pilgrim on March 24, 2020
Agree with you, but it comes down to moral issues. Our age range it is 0.5 to 1% fatality. That is with current knowledge of who has the virus. So if they can get more people tested, and the amount of infected carrying the virus increases, say doubles. The percentage chance of dying halves, so 0.25  to 0.5%.
And agree big economic downturn! But some magicians have invented QE quantitive easing. So they will put loads of liquidity (cash, into the banks and saving funds people) into the economy. Its a new way of revitalising the economy. So am hopeful that recovery, will not be like the great depression of the past.
Strange times!!!
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: pilgrim on March 26, 2020
I was wondering about all the gardens around LG, and in the private villas. Are they being watered by the gardening/maintenance companies.
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Post by: Georgie on March 27, 2020
How is everyone getting on and is anyone left in los gigantes from the message board

It is very quiet here and did anyone clap in lo gigantes on Thursday
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Post by: Dolly Diver on March 28, 2020
Like everywhere else Los Gigantes is now a ghost town.  So quiet, especially at night.  People are respecting the rules and staying indoors, only venturing out to go to the supermarket, pharmacy or to walk their dog. 

There are no tourists here now and I'm sure that most of the winter residents grabbed the opportunity to leave early while flights were still operating.  I've no idea how many empty apartments there are at the moment, there must be well over 50%.  Rubbish bins, which are generally overflowing by the evenings are now barely quarter full.

We have had a few heavy showers of rain which was very welcome after all the dust from the road works. Everywhere looks clean and fresh now.  Like me, many people are taking the opportunity to Spring clean, but as the ferreterias are shut we cannot buy paint etc.

The police do patrol regularly but I have never seen any trouble.

Every evening around 7pm someone who lives in the center of Los Gigantes will play a few cheerful songs, people will come out on to their balconies to listen and to clap their appreciation for the key workers.  Then its silence again.

Take care, stay safe
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: nophead on March 28, 2020
I am glad to be back in the UK because the lockdown rules make more sense here.

We can take exercise once a day without having to have a dog and members of the same household can exercise together in pairs. They are not going to infect each other outside when they live / sleep together.

We can travel in cars together as well seated side by side. Again no sense to the Spanish regulations. I can drive my wife to the shop and can wait in the car outside. Why is that a problem?

I think hardware shops can open as well as things break down and need to be repaired.

The food shops are better stocked in LG but I think the main reason for that is with all the tourists gone they have a big overcapacity. I don't think it is "panic" buying here. People simply want to shop less often and buy bigger amounts, makes sense. I read somewhere that the "panic" was caused by people hording £1 billion of goods. Shock horror, that is £15 each. Not even as much as a weekly shop.

The problem in the UK is that all businesses are streamlined and optimised on cost because of competition, so there is no over capacity anywhere. A small increase in demand makes a shortage. The health service is the same.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: unhappy on March 28, 2020
Nophead, Am I glad I don't live by you firstly you go mad when you get home getting 3 months supplies otherwise called hording like all the other morons I saw on the TV, then you criticise what the Spanish Government for what they are doing and you are not even here.

As far as I am concerned the British Government should be doing at least the same if not more a lock down should be a lock down even with it being in force here the figures are still increasing and the place is deserted.

Wait till it breaks out of London to the rest of the country like Italy then you will wish you were back here it is the only way to tackle this pandemic.

As for talking about businesses every country operates the same way that is why they are putting trillions in to their economies, as for the health service every country has the same problem except China, but would you want to live under their rules, I think not the way you criticise Spain
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Post by: Edward Bear on March 28, 2020
unhappy, don't encourage Mr Smarty Pants.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: nophead on March 28, 2020
We didn't actually buy 3 months of supplies as we found enough to live for weeks already in the house. Just got some bread and milk and some pies that were on offer. Not been shopping since the lock down.

If we hadn't run stuff down while we were away for the winter I think we would normally have enough for three months simply because we buy in bulk because it is cheaper and because we cook our own meals in bulk and freeze them. I never thought we would need it for a pandemic but seems like a good idea to have reserves because businesses don't.

Similarly we didn't need to buy anything in LG after the lockdown because we had plenty. Big packs of toilet rolls were on offer in Lidl just before!

What is the point of some of the Spanish rules separating couples? Their stupid taxi rules actually increase the risk of infection. And how healthy are people going to be with no exercise for 12 weeks? Some people only have north facing balconies, so no sun. They will get short of vitamin D and reduce their immune systems.

It is also important to see outside daylight every day to synchronise your body clock. Outdoor light is more than 1000 times brighter than a brightly lit room and there are special receptors in your eyes to detect it that are not part of vision. If you only see indoor light your body clock gets out of sync and it is very bad for your immune system not to mention sleep and memory. This is why we don't like the UK in winter. The weather is not conducive to going outside.

Lock down doesn't really tackle the epidemic because you need the young and healthy population to catch it and become immune. If you stop it by total lock down you can never open the borders again. The UK strategy is to keep the rate of old and infirm getting it low enough that hospitals don't have to turn them away.

Yes governments are injecting trillions but they don't have it, so they are borrowing or "quantitative easing", which is just printing money.

Title: Re: Virus
Post by: unhappy on March 28, 2020
Edward, your right this bloke needs to take his head from up his bum
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Post by: nophead on March 28, 2020
What a pleasant bunch you are.
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Post by: Davymar on March 28, 2020
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Title: Re: Virus
Post by: pilgrim on March 28, 2020
260 deaths here in UK yesterday, they now say if ONLY 20,000 die we will be doing well!
And another thing, this is an open forum! if you do not understand someone, or it is above your head, or simply disagree, don't show ignorance by making a stupid rude comment! At your ages you should be more concerned about the virus!
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: unhappy on March 28, 2020
Unhappy here pilgrim, what was that about making stupid comments, yes it is still UNHAPPY here !!!!

I wonder how many comments you made about Georgie,  when a person who posts on here telling us he owns a property here & he has a big house in the UK but has to buy in bulk to last 3 months can I make a suggestion.

As somebody who is now in his 3rd downsized property in the UK, a large 3 bed 2 bath detached bungalow in a beautiful location has owned & sold 2 properties over here, and who lost his only child a son at 34 years old 3 years ago, HE NEEDS TO GET A LIFE,  & I don't need YOU to tell me what I should post, 
( pot calling the kettle black ) comes to mind.

He reminds me of the old pit & mill owners of the last century, all he is worrying about is money & finances and sod the workers or anybody.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: pilgrim on March 28, 2020
Unhappy, relax, sorry about your son. My son is nearly that age, I cant' think off any worse. Take care!
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: unhappy on March 29, 2020
If it wasn't so daft you would cry, Ryanair cancelled our flights on the 20/03 for the 29/03 today, this morning I had a text from them reminding me of my flight today at 11.30 also they promised to return our money in 7 days, still waiting.

Some good news as we will not be able to get home yet, our travel Insurance Nationwide & our home Insurance lloyds I was able to contact them both by phone yesterday very easley, as our 90 day excess period will expire on the 02/04 they have both assured me that both policies they will honor past that date & Nationwide told me to collect all receipts for any extra expenditure.

So if anybody has any worries may I suggest you give your Insurance Company a call, as with my experience
they seem very helpful.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: linda on March 29, 2020
We decided to stay here and see it out.We have flights booked to go back now early June. At least it's warm. Very quiet  .
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: nophead on March 29, 2020
unhappy, I have a great life thanks, retired at 53 and never looked back. As for looking down on workers, I don't own a mill and have never had workers, I was a worker myself for 29 years and then self employed for 3 years. It is the young healthy workers I feel sorry for as they are being prevented from earning a living for the benefit of others.

The only flights I see on flightradar24 recently are Eurowings and Condor to Germany and Spanish internal flights to Madrid. Some German friends flew out today on their original booked flight. I don't know if you could get connections to the UK from those countries.

There are more flights from Gran Canaria and still inter island flights to there, which might be another escape route.

The UK repatriation flights were mainly before the 24th because the government said to come home before then, I saw a lot of BA flights around that time.



Title: Re: Virus
Post by: pilgrim on March 29, 2020
Linda, I hope it's not true but word is that lockdown here till end of June! My wife and I get on so far. My many hobbies are now restricted. Thames sailing Club is closed till further notice as are the locks for leisure.
Thought I could drive one of the old cars, but that option has been taken away. Gardening, anything that I cut or remove I tend to put in an old jumbo sand bag and take to local dump/recycle centre, but they are now closed also. Having said that we are glad we are home, the weather is now dry although we had sleet today! and cold next week! But that awful wet winter is behind us. Think when this is all over we may be evolving into a new kind of living. Be safe.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: nophead on March 29, 2020
I think October was mentioned by the government briefing this evening for things back to normal. I.e. 6 months. Don't think we will locked down for all of that but probably at least 13 weeks.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: nophead on March 30, 2020
Looks like the UK government are organising some repatriation flights https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52099252.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: linda on April 13, 2020
Hi unhappy we have flights booked for 9 June at moment as hubby's passport expires lol.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: unhappy on April 13, 2020
Hi Linda, I hope your flight goes ahead, we have decided not to book any flights until they are actually flying
Ryanair & Jet 2 have both cancelled our flights and of course have not refunded any money, luckley we can afford it.

It does make me laugh when people who managed not to have their flight cancelled, and who post here keep moaning about the situation at home, lockdown they must be joking, perhaps that's why the the increase in people catching the virus and dying in the UK is crazy, where as the figures over here and I mean the whole of the Canaries every Island there has been no deaths for 2 days and only 28 new cases I know where I want to be at the moment.
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Post by: janey on April 14, 2020
jet 2 have been fantastic.  we should have travelled a couple of weeks ago, they rang us - we didnt ring them, they offered a different flying date, a full refund or a credit note.
i am sure they offered the same to everybody booked.  i think they have been marvellous under the circumstances. 
i just hope they dont go out of business.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: nophead on April 14, 2020
Unfortunately I think all the low cost airlines will go bust and there will just be few big ones that have to be re-nationalised.

Unless governments suddenly realise people die, get over it, the economy as we know it will end. When governments are happy to pay people for doing nothing money becomes worthless. All industries that rely on people having freedom to move about will go bust.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: White Rose on April 15, 2020
It doesn't  look as though the  Canaries are in any rush to get tourism back for a while when you  read this.

https://www.janetanscombe.com/news/italian-tourist-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-in-tenerife.html?fbclid=IwAR11NnJq7BcAwqpLKEzeVcyjG-utystlrOdQZIwhHMNng0CvFuotdkG_n2w
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Post by: Tanemera on April 15, 2020
Unfortunately I think all the low cost airlines will go bust and there will just be few big ones that have to be re-nationalised.

Unless governments suddenly realise people die, get over it, the economy as we know it will end. When governments are happy to pay people for doing nothing money becomes worthless. All industries that rely on people having freedom to move about will go bust.

Well, just what we needed Nophead!  Don't you think there is enough misery around without you having to tell us that we are all doomed?  There are plenty of good things happening. Last Thursday at 8pm in the UK thousands of people stood outside and applauded the NHS, demonstrating that times like this have positives as well as negatives.  We survived WW2 by keeping our spirits up and we will survive this crisis too and be stronger for it. 
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Post by: Davymar on April 15, 2020
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Title: Re: Virus
Post by: nophead on April 15, 2020
In WW2 they didn't close down all the businesses. Shops, pubs, restaurants and cinemas, etc, were still open. The effect of this on the economy of this is much worse.

In WW2 it was accepted that lots of people would die. We no longer can accept that anybody dies, so the entire economy stops to extend the lives of the 1% of people who haven't got long anyway, given that if you catch it at any age over 25 you stand the same chance of it killing you as one more year of life does. Below 25 a year of life is much more dangerous.

Title: Re: Virus
Post by: pilgrim on April 15, 2020
I think once this is all over, there will be big questions to answer. WAS IT ALL WORTH IT!!!!!!
The misery of unemployment for up to 3 million new people. The crash in house prices. And the broken marriages, the Mental and phycological problems, alcoholism, wife battering, even murders etc...  Never
mind kids no longer taking exams, university deferred!
I am ok Jack! as my kids are so far!
But as supporters of a free society. I truly believe, the government's advice should only be that. If over a certain age or you have underlying health problems you should isolate for your own safety.
And if you wish to ignore this advice, as freewill may tell, it is your own fault if you get the Virus!
The police are already asking for extra powers here. Disgusting!!!!!!
I am goner lobby my MP to get Boris to cancel the extra police (who can be replaced by technology), and employ 20,000 NHS staff instead!
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: nophead on April 15, 2020
Yes if the NHS was big enough to cope I doubt we would have had a lock down.

China had prefab hospital units on standby. I don't know why we didn't have a plan since pandemics are inevitable.
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Post by: Davymar on April 15, 2020
In my spare time, i made ahat for the cat.
(https://i.imgur.com/LnNuX2j.jpg)
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Post by: paulaf on April 15, 2020
We have enough capacity in the NHS now, only 19 patients in London nightingale and others not being used and may be stood down, so this gives me hope just one more 3 week lockdown before restrictions eased and we can start to recover our economy.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: pilgrim on April 15, 2020
Yes, I read today as well! Hopefully lifted in a week or two. Thing is people will need a weeks notice to get their head around at going back to work. The other joke is that the government is not asking for people to wear face masks! The reason is we don't have any here! So lockdown would have to last until they came into the country, could be a month or two!
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Post by: Tanemera on April 15, 2020
Obama had the right idea. Have a look at this...
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DpBVAnaHxHbM&ved=2ahUKEwix2auTsuvoAhURXsAKHeA1BpAQFjAFegQIBBAB&usg=AOvVaw1oTGgP9zCJqIM_w_0VeAWZ
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Post by: pilgrim on April 15, 2020
Very good, I agree with him? But he never did it!! The man was a talker he never did a thing! A complete waste of space, and he destroyed his legacy by "just talking".  Shame as he had such great support, and such a following, but never rose to the accession!  "NO DRAMA OBAMA"
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: blarer on April 20, 2020
I realise that the Canaries are an autonomous region of Spain and can to certain degree make their own laws & regulations. However the Spanish Government has announced that they hope to have tourism opened between Costa del Sol and Costa Blanca by the end of the year. No mention of the autonomous regions. It looks like it could be many months before we can visit our island again.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: pilgrim on April 21, 2020
Today in Daily Mirror, it says that tourism should reopen in the Canaries, in July or August, but for the Spanish only to give them a well deserved break! And the rest, I guess us, in October! If you own a property and are a brit maybe you could get out sooner? I don't know! And of course it was in the Mirror, that paragon of virtue!
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Post by: Georgie on April 21, 2020
Fingers crossed
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: unhappy on April 21, 2020
People in the UK, sorry but you have no idea what is going on in our SEMI LOCKDOWN Country, here we are on a TOTAL LOCKDOWN until the 26th & the Canarian President wants it extended until the 10th of May, also he has said Tourism is finished for 2020.

If you are hoping to come here next month or onwards GREAT, then the airlines & the British Government that left thousands of us stranded in the Canaries, sometimes cancelling not 1 or 2 or 3 or even 4 flights we had booked after taking our money &, promising to refund us, but nobody has had any money refunded, CAN GET US HOME, my own case, my first flight I booked with Ryanair, was cancelled on the 20/03. This flight flight was fully booked or as they posted sold out for weeks & they promised to refund me in 7 days, still waiting, not a penny refunded, other flights we booked with other airlines exactly the same.

DO NOT BELIEVE what you read in the British Press or Government releases, most of the people stranded here are classified as the risk age in excess of 70+ years old with ongoing health problems, that's why we come here in the winter & they have done nothing to repatriate us.

Until you know for sure that airlines are flying into anywhere DON'T waste your money, because like many of us you will not get your money back when they cancel your holiday or flight, and blame the Coronavirus not their bank balances.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: blarer on April 21, 2020
I don't think there'll be much flying anywhere until there is an effective vaccine.
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Post by: nophead on April 22, 2020
unhappy,
  Did you pay by credit card? Can you get the money back from the credit company?
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Post by: Dolly Diver on April 22, 2020
I agree with Blarer on this one.  I don't see how anyone will be allowed on a flight with out a vaccination certificate (or something to say they caught the virus and they are immune)  It was only a couple of months ago that an Italian tourist arrived in Adeje with the virus and up to yesterday Tenerife has 1331 confirmed cases (and is still rising by 10 - 16 cases daily, even in this strict lockdown) and 80 deaths.  If flights were to resume too early it would just take 1 infected person to take us all back to square one again and Tenerife has a very high population of over 70's.  I for one have no wish to spend another 2 months in lock down.  For me the health of the people is more important than money.

It is so sad to see everywhere deserted and all the businesses closed, but there has been some good news this week, most of the self employed have now received a payment.  It will keep food on the table but anyone with children, a mortgage or rent to pay faces a really tough time.  Those who are temporary out of work on the ERTE system should receive something at the beginning of May.  The majority of these people have had no income what so ever since March 14th and are really struggling as is the case in the majority of other countries.

The research for a vaccine in UK looks promising and I have my fingers as well as my toes crossed.  These are tough times, but tough times don't last, tough people do.  Hang on in there.  Take care and stay safe.

Title: Re: Virus
Post by: nophead on April 22, 2020
I don't think all the infections came from one tourist. I think multiple tourists probably came with it.

Yes governments that get their money from taxing people that work are now using that money to pay them not to work. Almost as mad as the price of oil going negative. So really they are preventing people from working by borrowing money that can only be paid back by those same people. And this is to protect mainly the people that no longer work and still get their full pension. Makes absolutely no sense at all to me.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: unhappy on April 22, 2020
nophead, you are wrong again you can not claim from credit card companies if the company is still trading.

As for my pension, having owned and run my own company for over 35 years, not only paying the employers and the employees contributions but a hell of a lot of tax for my hard work, I have earnt it.

But what we do is to support 4 charities, also as we do not need our heating allowance the £200, we give that to the homeless, I wonder what you do with yours as you spend so much time in Tenerife in the winter
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: nophead on April 22, 2020
I am sure you can normally get refunds from the credit card when companies that don't come up with goods.  See https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/shopping/section75-protect-your-purchases/

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Plus, even if the problem is just non-delivery or faulty goods, you have exactly the same rights from the credit provider as from the retailer, flight company or supplier.

I am not old enough to get a heating allowance. I expect they will be means tested or abolished by the time I am.

Title: Re: Virus
Post by: pilgrim on April 22, 2020
In the States they are sending cheques to every tax payer, $1200 for single people, $2400 for couples and $500 for every child. Now is that not a far better way to help people. So whether your a CEO not working or a burger flipper you get enough to be fed and pay your utilities!
Unhappy, do you mind sharing what your business was that you ran for 35 years! A good period of time, and no doubt you have been thru a few rough times, down turns etc..
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: losjack on April 22, 2020
My April 2nd EasyJet flight back to the UK was cancelled. I received a full refund from EJ on the 4th April. It took a lot of perseverance but I got there in the end.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: unhappy on April 22, 2020
Hi pilgrim, I can give you my whole working life history if you are interested, left school at 15 no exams failed my 11 plus. took me 6 months to get an apprenticeship, mad on cars, as a motor mechanic, 5 years on no prospects in the garage, joined a forklift company as a fitter, 15 years later moving from the shop floor to a grade 1 field engineer into junior management with a MD who was an idiot, I decided to start my own business, unfortunately with a Senior Manager who thought being a company director would make him loads of money without working.

I got rid of him, and from scratch built up a business in the forklift business, my main aim was to supply customer service second to none and built up a client base from one man bands that turned into large companies to very large companies based in the USA and Europe that stayed with me mostly for the 35 years

I had every intention of retiring at 50 then 55 and so on, but when my son died I sold my company and retired at 67, a great sadness, but I have my wife and our memories and our happy times in Tenerife to remember as a family.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: pilgrim on April 23, 2020
Unhappy, good for you! sorry to hear about your son. Am sure you have some great memories to think back about! Take care!
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: janey on April 23, 2020
jet 2 have been fantastic.  we should have travelled a couple of weeks ago, they rang us - we didnt ring them, they offered a different flying date, a full refund or a credit note.
i am sure they offered the same to everybody booked.  i think they have been marvellous under the circumstances. 
i just hope they dont go out of business.

I reiterate
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: Samijoe on April 23, 2020
Our flight booked for Sunday 26th April has ,obviously ,been cancelled by Jet2. We have had several updates over the last few weeks, then yesterday received an email advising that we will receive a full refund within 28 days. Cannot fault them. We always fly with them, from several northern airports, and will continue to do so. They may be more expensive but their customer service is worth that little extra.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: unhappy on April 23, 2020
I received the same email yesterday from Jet 2 for a flight cancelled on the 07/04, I also received an email from that conman O'Leary of Ryanair when he cancelled my first flight home on the 20/03 and promised to refund me in 7 days, still waiting not a penny received. But when I do get home I will issue court proceedings against them for fraud, if they dont refund me.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: Tanemera on April 23, 2020
Same problem for us.  Flight cancelled by Ryanair despite them allowing me to check in the day before.  Jet2 got us home, although they did that dirty trick of increasing the price substantially just as I entered my credit card details.  Received an offer of a full refund from Ryanair within 7 days, so accepted this.  Still waiting after 4 weeks, despite sending them a reminder (ignored).  So, I took it up with my card provider this morning and they sent me the forms to fill in.  I will let you know what happens.  Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: unhappy on April 23, 2020
Thanks Tanamera it will be interesting what the card company say
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: pilgrim on April 26, 2020
The news from Spain here in UK, is that children will be allowed out tomorrow for the first time since the lockdown (6 Weeks, maybe!). From what I have seen most children and people lived their live outside anyway. So must have been horrendous locked up 24/7. I think there should be some reckoning when this is all over. The Chinese if proven that they knew about the virus back in November/December 2019, and kept quiet, will have to pay toward the cost the west and the rest of the world has endured!
It is rather ironic, that out of the G7 nations the only capitol city not in lockdown is Beijing.
My mother god bless her (would have been 99 last Thursday), would say, " you can't shame, a shameless person" or in this case, let's say Country!
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Post by: Davymar on April 26, 2020
https://youtu.be/xGkWS-vEpIc (https://youtu.be/xGkWS-vEpIc)

click it.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: pilgrim on April 26, 2020
Davymar, I don't think you are taking this seriously, or maybe you have reached Lockdown Madness!
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: unhappy on April 27, 2020
We have been in TOTAL LOCKDOWN for 6 weeks now and it has been extended to the 10th of May.

As for children being allowed out yes but the true facts are for 1 hour a day with 1 parent, max 100mt from their home that is easing lockdown, everything else is still in TOTAL LOCKDOWN

We are hoping to fly home to the UK on Saturday, the only thing that worries us is the constant moaning of people in the UK is about coming out of their limited lockdown, get real people this thing kills anybody.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: Davymar on April 27, 2020
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Davymar, I don't think you are taking this seriously, or maybe you have reached Lockdown Madness!
Sorry about that Pilgrim, I have never taken life very seriously, i am a glass half full person, i simply try to give people something to smile about, i thought it was quite funny ;D
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: nophead on April 27, 2020
Yes it will kill anybody but with almost exactly the same chance as living one year longer at any age, if you catch it. If you stay in and get your food delivered there is no chance but then you might as well be under house arrest for the rest of your days.

For about half the population it has no symptoms at all and most of the rest it is mild like a cold. Only a small percentage get seriously ill and need hospital treatment where chances are not that great because there is no treatment for it.

They think up to about 10 million may have had it in the UK already. Young people around me here completely ignore it. I see pelotons of bike riders that I am sure are not from the same household and I saw about 10 trials bikers pulling wheelies on the road where we take out walk.

There were a few police patrols early on but I think they are too busy breaking up house parties and stopping sun bathers now. They don't really have the numbers to enforce the type of semi lockdown we have here. If you see a group of youngsters they could be siblings or housemates but probably aren't and there is no requirement to carry ID.

So I wish people here would get real and realise it doesn't make sense to ruin all the economy to extend the lives of 1% of the population for an average of a year.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: Sangriaman on April 27, 2020
Unhappy, you complain constantly about the ( TOTAL LOCKDOWN) in Tenerife as though you are the only person doing it ,Bit of a news flash here but the whole of Spain is as well . Sorry if that burst your bubble of self pity but didn’t you choose to stay in LG??? Maybe some kind sole can inform the FCO about your plight in Tenerife, who knows they may put on some sort of Repatriation Ceremony for you upon your return??? A medal , knighthood or the very least a Brass Band you never know. As for the constant moaning of the people in the UK ....I think a ten meter safe distancing space between them and you should be enough to save them from your constant whine .
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: losgiganteskid on April 27, 2020
I think there should be some reckoning when this is all over. The Chinese if proven that they knew about the virus back in November/December 2019, and kept quiet, will have to pay toward the cost the west and the rest of the world has endured!


Well, good luck with that one ! - although I do have an idea, lets pool our resources  and issue a County Court Summons in the Macclesfield County Court - that will sure scare the Sh1t out of them.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: el presidente on April 27, 2020
Unhappy. I, and many members of this board, would be very interested in your flight details for Saturday 2nd May.
Thank you,
el presidente
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: pesatron on April 27, 2020
Unhappy, you complain constantly about the ( TOTAL LOCKDOWN) in Tenerife as though you are the only person doing it ,Bit of a news flash here but the whole of Spain is as well . Sorry if that burst your bubble of self pity but didnít you choose to stay in LG??? Maybe some kind sole can inform the FCO about your plight in Tenerife, who knows they may put on some sort of Repatriation Ceremony for you upon your return??? A medal , knighthood or the very least a Brass Band you never know. As for the constant moaning of the people in the UK ....I think a ten meter safe distancing space between them and you should be enough to save them from your constant whine .

Hear, hear 
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: unhappy on April 27, 2020
Sangriaman or moron, I don't know where you are posting from but let me put you silly comments straight the only reason we decided to stay was after 2 airlines took our money for flights and then cancelled them the first flight on the 20/03 way before any lockdowns, which we are still waiting for refunds from both.

The only alternative was to try and get a flight through Madrid at that time the worst affected city in Europe with Covid19 & tens of hours travelling, which you being an idiot would have more than probably caught if you are over here

As for MY moaning about THE REAL LOCKDOWN HERE, having had zoom and phone conversations with family & friends in the UK moaning about their Semi lockdown, like you they have no idea

You mention a brass band or a Knighthood, I don't want a medal it would spoil my tee shirt, that would be great, I am hoping to get back to the UK on Saturday that's if THIS flight is not cancelled also. At the moment my flight bill for one way tickets home is just over 1200.00 euro, my extra accommodation just over 1300.00 euro if you would like to contribute say 50% it would be most appreciated, that's if you can get your head from up your ass to sort it out

Don't bother trying to get in touch with D. Rabb or my local MP about my Knighthood, I already have about the plight of many "AT RISK" passengers left stranded here, neither has bothered to reply.

And distancing a 10 foot disinfected barge pole would all I need, to keep you away from me, I did not realise Rabies was in the UK.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: unhappy on April 27, 2020
el presidente, we are hopefully flying with Wizz air, flight time not great depart 22.55 flying to Luton and then getting a taxi upto the Midlands.

looks like we have new member, moron, or peasartist not sure yet
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: unhappy on April 27, 2020
el presidente, for passengers down south I have heard that Iberia do a through flight from Tenerife North to Madrid onto  Heathrow about 6 hours not bad considering our Government were suggesting just after the lockdown flights via Madrid from 26 to 44 hours traveling hope this helps
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: pilgrim on April 27, 2020
Los gigantes kid, I have cruised on the Macclesfield Canal up to Bugs worth basin, from memory. Truly a canal to nowhere, but most scenic!
But was not aware the town was big enough to have a court house. Has it got a Chinese take away.

Unhappy, in your career CV, you mention your "providing a service second to none",
Guess that has all gone out of the window since your retirement, as your bedside manner appears short
of tact to say the least!
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: nophead on April 27, 2020
2 airlines took our money for flights and then cancelled them the first flight on the 20/03 way before any lockdowns

Lock down in LG started on 15th March, one day earlier than expected. Planes returned mid flight that day and our flight was cancelled. Our rescue flight was on 19th.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: unhappy on April 27, 2020
Pilgrim, My service was second to none that's why when I politely told a Manager or even a Company MD that what my competitors were promising them was untrue, they believed me.

That's why in over 35 years I lost only 2 customers except the odd one that went bust and guess what, after they left, they both came back and spent even more money with my Company.

As for the morons who post and insult, me I have every right to reply, like you have many times.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: pilgrim on April 27, 2020
Once this is all over I am going to renew the wedding vows with the wife. She deserves a new me, having put up with an idiot all these 38 years.
Planning a service in the catholic  church in LG plaza. But the week prior to that going to have a stag do in
Las Americas.  Wondered if a few of you would join me for this pre celebration, and an opportunity to maybe let our hair down, well for those that have some, I guess it will be really long by then.
And you unhappy, along with Georgie, nophead, sangriaman, davymar and a few others, I would like you to join me! Should be great fun, getting together , chatting, dancing, chatting up the tarts, debating etc..
I reckon we would all get along like a house on fire!
Maybe end up as all great friends, with fantastic respect for one another.
Yes, it would be truly magical, friends for life! Put back what's missing in each of us, kindness!
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: el presidente on April 27, 2020
unhappy
Please let me know how it goes.
Thanks
el presidente
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: angiebabes on April 28, 2020


, I am hoping to get back to the UK on Saturday that's if THIS flight is not cancelled also.

No mention of whiz air flight for 2/5 on printout of available flights out of Tenerife Janet Anscombe posted in fb page.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: Sangriaman on April 28, 2020
Unfortunately unhappy I do not give to online Beggars,,,But all is not lost for you and your Spanish tribulation!!!! Get yourself a piece of cardboard ,marker pen and tin cup .write out all the details of your Plight in LG on the cardboard and be sure to mention the TOTAL LOCKDOWN just in case nobody knows what you are on about and obviously use capital letters . 
When you finally get to the airport , take a seat on the floor with your cardboard and tin cup and watch the money roll in.
After all, nobody has had it as hard as you have ,
 You Pompous Oaf
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: unhappy on April 28, 2020
Moron, so you are not going to help an old man & his old dear out then, and you call me a pompous oaf, when the name fits wear it
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: Georgie on April 28, 2020
Pilgrim I am up for it

But can we finish the stag do around 9 please 👍🤣
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: blarer on April 28, 2020
Very interesting announcement by Pedro Sanchez this evening on how Spain plan to handle deescalation measures. No doubt the details will be up on Janet Anscombe's site soon. There's an  English translation on the Denia Connect Facebook page.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: pilgrim on April 28, 2020
Georgie, am goner invite Sangriaman as well, he has attitude, we will need people like that in case there
is any trouble makers trying to join our stag, once they see all the fun we are having!
Can I ask why you want to finish at 9pm, as I am happy to arrange a small coach for transport. You would be silly to pay for a taxi back when it is all organised.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: Tanemera on April 29, 2020
Following on from my 23 April post, I have received confirmation from my card provider that they are investigating my claim for a refund on our return flights cancelled by Ryanair, who still have not, illegally, refunded us.  There is also an interesting article in WHICH magazine this week....

https://www.which.co.uk/news/2020/04/ryanair-changes-cancellation-refund-policy-on-cash-and-vouchers-again/

Reading this I understand that I could possibly have made a claim for our replacement flights with Jet2.com.  Anyway, I will be satisfied with a refund of our Ryanair fares, even though this is less. 
Maybe if a lot of people who have been let down by Ryanair were to take it up with their card providers, there would be pressure on Ryanair to fulfill their legal obligations and dig into their 4 billion euro cash reserves.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: pesatron on April 29, 2020
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8208771/British-Airways-fly-50-dogs-cats-Cyprus-UK-abandoned-coronavirus.html

This is absolutely disgraceful when so many Brits are still stranded in Tenerife!!

Shame on you - BA & UK GOVERNMENT
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: nophead on April 29, 2020
Well it is was a cargo flight and they are still flying. Perhaps people should climb into a box and ship themselves.

I think the animals are in for a shock going from Cyprus climate to the UK.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: Dolly Diver on April 29, 2020
Spain spells out its path to a "new normality" as Prime Minister announces four phases over the next six to eight weeks to end of June

Spain is expected to get back to a "new normality" by the end of June, Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez has just announced, with four separate phases and progress from "region to region" depending on the evolution of the coronavirus pandemic.
The Canary islands of La Gomera, El Hierro and La Graciosa, which have seen no deaths from COVID-19, are expected to lead the way with an earlier start to phase one next week rather than the May 11th for other regions provided they meet the criteria.
Mr. Sanchez, speaking at a press conference this evening to announce details of the de-escalation, says the process will be "gradual, asymmetric and coordinated" with each phase and each region analysed on a regular basis. He anticipates it will take six to eight weeks to get to the stage of a "new norm" where stringent health conditions and self-distancing will still be in force, together with limits on capacities, events, theatres and festivals, travel etc.
The current State of Emergency, in place until May 10th, will NOT be lifted and the Spanish Government will ask for a further extension of 15 days.
Phase zero, in which Spain is already in, will include preparations for the way ahead and has already seen the  "freedom of children" measure which allows boys and girls under the age of 14 to go out to play for an hour a day, with one parent and only up to a distance of one kilometre. Adults will be allowed out from this weekend on a rota basis, with details to be announced in the next few days,
Certain businesses will be allowed to open by appointments for customers from May 4th, such as restaurants with home delivery, but eating will not be allowed on the premises. People will also be able to carry out individual sport or training.
Phase one will allow the opening of some small businesses and the terraces of bars and restaurants with clear restrictions. Large shopping centres will be excluded in this phase to avoid crowds. Hotels and tourist accommodation will be able to reopen in this phase, but not their communal areas.Special timetables will be introduced for the over-65s in shops and businesses. Religious services will also be permitted with maximum capacity reduced to a third for church premises.
The use of masks on public transport ďwill be highly recommended.
Phase two will see the return of leisure and culture activities but with limited capacity in cinemas and theatres. Cultural shows of less than 50 people indoors or less than 400 outdoors will also be activated in this second phase. Restaurants will be able to open their interior space, again limited, and for table only service.
Schools will not reopen until September but places will be provided so children aged under six can attend classes if their parents have to go to work and to allow students to complete their university application processes and exams.
The third would be the "advanced phase" with more flexible mobility although always with the need to maintain security measures. More shops will also be allowed to open, with 50 per cent occupancy,
The fourth phase will be the "new normality" provided all the regions of Spain have passed the first three phases.
"Each phase will have a minimum duration in each territory of two weeks, so in mid-June we would already be in the entire territory in that new normality. On May 4 all territories will enter phase 0. On May 11 all the provinces that comply with the panel will go to phase 1 and then the Ministry of Health will evaluate the evolution in each province to continue taking steps, " said the Prime Minister.
He has urged everyone to comply with the regulations, saying: "This virus is highly contagious and if we want to recover spaces of freedom and relief we must protect ourselves and the citizens. This virus is killing, especially the elderly and people with pathologies. Let us not underestimate the risk we face and above all, let us show solidarity"
Mr. Sanchez committed to paying proper tribute to the victims of the coronavirus Ė officially 23,822, according to the latest figures Ė when the pandemic is defeated.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: Edward Bear on April 29, 2020
Thank you for that report Dolly.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: Georgie on April 29, 2020
Ok I will try and stay up to 11

British airways are saying tonight it will be 7 years before normal service resumes

What I can't understand is where are their cash reserves and where are the auditors in this process
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: pilgrim on April 29, 2020
7 years! there will be no visitors left in LG. Average age must be 70! We will all be the other side of the turf!
And the next generation of lacklustre, lazy, liberal/labour loving wasters, so "woke" and easily fooled will not be able to pay the flight costs! as the nanny state will be broke, and the benefits will be reduced.
Spain will even be more bust! the grand standing preaching president, will quietly disappear! And the northern union EU bunch will let them go bust! And then it will be a nice place to go back to again.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: SandyLea on April 30, 2020
Just had full refund from Jet2 for our May holiday package. Jet2 have been brilliant. Would never travel with anyone else.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: Mary on April 30, 2020
I agree SandyLea, weíve flown with them since they first launched and have never had a problem at all. Yes they are slightly more expensive but in our opinion weíll worth it.
Thing is pay peanuts and get monkeys!
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: Samijoe on April 30, 2020
We have also received our refund from Jet2 without any problems. Hoping the September flights go ahead, but not optimistic. Missing LG , and feel so sorry for all business owners who are suffering during the lockdown. We intend to spend as much as possible when we eventually return  :)
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: unhappy on April 30, 2020
The thing is paying £326.00 one way is not peanuts, also Jet2 cancelled our second flight almost a month ago still no refund from either flight
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: unhappy on April 30, 2020
Well said Pilgrim, ventured out today to the Pharmacy, what is the saying "give them an inch and they will take a mile" never seen so many people out and about and the roads so busy.

Also meet one of our friends, funnily the second restaurant owner we have meet this week, these are owners of 2 of the most popular restaurants in the area,  also both have had a meal in our home.  They both said they would prefer to be open, but luckily they said their busy part of the season had just finished before the lockdown and are hoping to reopen around the 10 to 15 of May but with only a 30% capacity allowed.

If our third flight is cancelled on Saturday we will just forget booking flights until we know they are in the air flying back and forward to Tenerife.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: janey on April 30, 2020
The thing is paying £326.00 one way is not peanuts, also Jet2 cancelled our second flight almost a month ago still no refund from either flight
  its funny how you always tend to get the bad end of the stick unhappy.  everybody else booked with jet2 have praised them.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: SandyLea on April 30, 2020
326 one way??!!  We only pay about 400 each for return flights with Jet2 and 7 nights accommodation in el sombrero with transfers included too.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: Samijoe on April 30, 2020
We have never had such cheap flights with Jet2. September 2020 , flight only, cost £620. It does include pre booked seats though. Still think itís reasonable taking convenient flight times into account. Prices for April 2021 are £150 more than we have just been refunded for April 2020. No surprise.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: Georgie on April 30, 2020
That is why I booked for December only a deposit because hopefully if everything is ok the prices will rocked

Don't mind  losing 100 pound
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: unhappy on April 30, 2020
Janey, that is not actually true before janet anscombe stopped taking the "flight" problem posts here, more than 1 person besides myself complained that we had not received any refund from Jet2.

Sandylea, you seem to doubt how much I have paid, would you like to refund me costs, I can email the Invoices for that flight, because I tried to conform with the British Government's advice to return home as soon asap.

Now I will set a can of worms off, why would I want to stop in the el sombrero a complex thats gets all the traffic & noise from, diesel lorries, buses & cars going in & out of LG, that is not a holiday to me, sorry I can afford something  better than the average bucket & spader, that's why I have been here for 4 months in a fantastic house & if my flight is cancelled again on Saturday, I have decided to stay here possibly until mid June or later, although I have now obtained a discount, it is costing me over 1300.00 euro a month to rent it. Also I like to pick what my flight times are like mid day out, mid day home, not the flight times Jet2 offer from my local airport, red eye flights.

Sorry if this offends some people but from 15 to 67 I worked my guts out to get to the position I am in now, and it was worth every 25 hour day. NOW I CHOOSE.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: pilgrim on April 30, 2020
The Janet Anscombe site was great till Brexit, then she lost it, not expecting people to vote for it!
Then every thing was anti Brexit, very sad! Then I thought why would any one treat the people like that.
Turns out she is a retired teacher!!! Haa kids are easily influenced, very unpleasant. Guess the tax payers have a lot to learn about supporting and paying these people to hopefully educate our kids!
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: pilgrim on April 30, 2020
Those that do do, those that can't teach"
One eyed man is king, amongst the blind or kids.
These are not my views at all! just something that popped up when I googled problem teachers!
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: Samijoe on April 30, 2020
Have to agree with Unhappy about the standard of accommodation that individuals choose. We also prefer to pay for a touch of luxury, home from home really . There are some fantastic private apartments around LG which work out only slightly more expensive than a package. At a certain age who wants to put up with basics if you can afford not to. Would rather have a beautiful apartment and fabulous views for our stay.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: nophead on April 30, 2020
Yes the apartment price seems quite reasonable but the flights seem about twice as much as we pay with Travel Republic unless they are in school holiday times and then they would be cheap.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: SandyLea on May 01, 2020
Unhappy, I actually agree with you regarding el sombrero. However, it is a nice central, clean location to escape to sunnier climes for people on a limited budget and if you ask for a studio at the rear you don't get traffic noise, but you get a stunning view of La Gomera. You can actually get a week's package with Jet2 at beginning of December for about 300 per person if you book at the right time.

Personally we prefer the tui sensimar hotel but don't like the  fact you have to have half board as the food is not brilliant and tui customer service is dreadful.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: SandyLea on May 01, 2020
PS. Jet2 flights from Stansted are always good - not too early and not too late.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: unhappy on May 01, 2020
SandyLea, Why support a hotel group when you say the service and food is not very good whatever the price.

When we first came here 30 years ago and stayed in LG and thought it was great, then we decided to purchase a property, the very overpriced properties in LG made us purchase a property in PS the best thing we did, after selling our properties we now rent, we get what WE want

Except for one very over priced restaurant in a poor location in LG, all the better restaurants are in PS and PlA and the accommodation is much better, easy access to 3 different supermarkets, buses, taxis and post office.

As for flights from Stansted not a lot of use to us, that live in the Midlands.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: SandyLea on May 01, 2020
No, we don't go to the hotel anymore precisely because the food is bad and tui are a rubbish company. We used to live in one of the apartments in Poblado which we  loved (only a rental) but Lea couldn't get health insurance because of his heart condition so we came back to uk and have to console ourselves with our LG holidays now. I'll certainly look at  private rentals as you seem to have bagged yourself somewhere lovely but I worry about any privately advertised properties being scams but I'm very risk averse.  Pray to God our Christmas and new year holiday already booked with Jet2 to el sombrero goes ahead.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: Samijoe on May 01, 2020
We have had numerous apartments through private rentals since 2009. Never had any issues with any kind of scam. Always pay through a secure method first time we use a new apartment. Had some fantastic places in LG and LA. Would never use hotels , especially after listening to people complain about food etc whilst having drinks in the square.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: unhappy on May 01, 2020
SandyLea, Can I make a suggestion, we were very lucky we had friends here that owned an estate agency & they used to sort properties out for us to rent, but they sold it & moved to Valenca last year.

So we went online & found the complex we used to own in, we booked an apartment for 10 days & when we arrived they put us in our own apartment we had sold to them, this was the best 2bed 2bath on the complex because we had had it totally refurbished only 12 months before we sold it to them.

While we were here we had found a company, which was Russian so a little dubious, they had 1&2 bed apts & the House we wanted to rent for 3 months, although we had a car, they picked us up twice to show us the properties, we did a deal & booked the house, we arrived on the 02/01/20 & thanks to the airlines have been here since then, all I can say is they have been fantastic, nothing to much trouble.

The suggestion is have a look around when you are here, view the property & do a deal you can only ask, they can only say yes or no, with what has gone on over here, some owners will be glad of the booking.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: Davymar on May 01, 2020
We do very similar when we come here, we book a flight and private accommodation, we have stayed at Sombrero and poblado, the poblado had a great view over the harbour, but got very little sun till late, but they are a little run down now, we did ok at sombrero, the pad was near the gate, all the idiots staying there were to lazy to close the gate! not for us, this was a long time ago, all private now, this year we had a week in Tamara and a week in Las Mimosa, both good but Tamara better, there are plenty private pads for rent, if you do tripadvisor or home and away your money is protected, we have never had any problems, but we check out well in advance before booking.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: Mary on May 01, 2020
SandyLea Iíve sent you a private message, hope itís of some help
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: SandyLea on May 01, 2020
Unhappy, what is the name of the Russian company please?
Mary, thank you.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: nophead on May 01, 2020
The Janet Anscombe site was great till Brexit, then she lost it, not expecting people to vote for it!
Then every thing was anti Brexit, very sad! Then I thought why would any one treat the people like that.
Turns out she is a retired teacher!!! Haa kids are easily influenced, very unpleasant. Guess the tax payers have a lot to learn about supporting and paying these people to hopefully educate our kids!

I thought you were being a bit harsh until she wrote this today:

Quote
No I do not expect clarifications, I expect enforcement, followed by the usual wails of anguish that people ďdidnít knowĒ. This is a ďnew normalityĒ alright for most people, I suspect, one in which doing as they like with no repercussions or responsibilities is in the past.

I certainly come on holiday to do what I like (walk, eat and drink) with no responsibilities. And the only repercussions are it puts money into the Tenerife economy and keeps people in work. She seems to be loving the police state and telling people what they can't do.

The latest Spanish rules are bonkers. With a 1 km radius I would be able to do a nice circuit down past El Varadero and back along the coast through PLA up through PS but no I can't because I think it crosses a municipal boundary at Cuava Del Polvo. That is only a political boundary with no physical reality and no significance to spreading the virus. What a stupid rule.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: Samijoe on May 01, 2020
I read her website regularly, but agree she is becoming rather aggressive and self important in her responses. Very disappointed. Much prefer this site.

Jet2 have just amended our September flight time by an hour. Donít know if this means lots of activity going on now with flight schedules. Fingers crossed that it still goes ahead.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: nophead on May 01, 2020
Flight times to Tenerife seem to have been inflated over the last couple of years but they always beat them and arrive about 1/2 hour early, even if they set off late. I think they do it so they are never late and maybe allow for the worst case headwind.

I can remember a few years ago when the flight times were about right but they were nearly always late.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: Samijoe on May 01, 2020
Sorry, wasnít clear. Should have said moved it forward an hour, from 3 pm to 4pm departure. As long as this is the only change we are not bothered. Should have been in LG now for another 2 weeks, so having withdrawal symptoms. Thatís not to say we donít sympathise with those who need to still get home.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: unhappy on May 01, 2020
Funnily I said the same about JA 10 years ago when she along with a certain est agnt & a lawyer formed a organisation to help those that had been fined for allegedly renting their apts.

The only problem was that the est agnt had sold a lot of the apts which he said could be rented, who were fined and the lawyer who she recommended, after myself and a few other owners who had been fined used him which cost us 4500.00 euro each, he then moved from his offices in San Eugenio above a shopping centre, to plush office suites in an very upmarket area of Adeje and when I meet him there he was dressed head to foot in Boss ataire. I know where my money along with others went, he was useless as a lawyer and when I pointed this out to JA I became the least flavor of the day for any of my posts.

Mary, when things hopefully get back to some semblance of normal, I would hate to recommend a company that may be no longer in business because of the prolonged lockdown, I know that they have had a lot of cancellations, as I would think a lot of other companies are in the same boat. If they survive I will give you their info   
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: Mary on May 01, 2020
It was SandyLea who was asking not me unhappy, weíve been coming for almost 30yrs and rent the same apartment privately.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: pilgrim on May 01, 2020
Being lectured to by a certain J Anscombe is a bit of a joke! I realised this when I found out she was a former teacher!! Yes miss haa ha!, thing is I have probably invested near to a million Euros in having a great deal of fun in in LG over the last twenty one years. Initially a an apartment and then a villa, I employ a gardener and have had extensive building works over the years. And we don't rent our home out! And the money to purchase it was hard won/work, with the capital gains at 28% on the properties I sold here in UK, to make it possible! So when these people like J A have spent £350k in tax, and help the locals along, then you can try to lecture. Grow up madam, be a genuine not fake person, we are all laughing at you!
 
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: unhappy on May 01, 2020
Just had our flight back to the UK tomorrow is confirmed, we have to do the distancing, wear masks during the flight & we will be given wipes for aboard.

We have organised a taxi to take us to TFS and when we arrive in Luton a taxi to take us north to the Midlands.

Our only problem, we are wondering if we are jumping out of the frying pan into the fire seeing some of the clowns behaviour back at home.

Pilgrim, me thinks you were one of those naughty boys at school, who were told like me, we would never make it in the big wide world, it sounds like they got that wrong as well.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: pilgrim on May 01, 2020
Unhappy, lets hope your smiling tomorrow! Hope all goes ahead and your back with the wife! Hope she
doesn't become Unhappy! You have had like many a tough time. It is difficult here in outer London, but not to bad. Some people are not sensible, and in places like Brixton seem to carry on as normal, the police cannot enforce in normal times, never mind now! I need to travel there to sort out a problem, but will go on Sunday when it should be quiet. Basically if you are sensible, and have respect for your self and others you will behave as recommended! If not who knows! It is the individual's choice! Darwinism comes to mind!
Individual freedoms are hard fought, Magna carta etc.   In a few weeks they have nearly gone! Think about it.
Unhappy we have family in west midlands, Bromsgrove, we hear they are all doing well! and being sensible!
So you should be okay!
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: nophead on May 01, 2020
Glad to hear WizzAir are true to their word. I got ticked off by JA for quoting the BBC reporting they were resuming flights to Tenerife in May. Unless she has said it herself it can't be true.

I really can't see a problem in the UK. It makes no difference at all to me whether people observe the restrictions or not. It is probably better they don't and increase the heard immunity. None of my friends or relatives have had it so far.

I simply go for my daily walk with my wife and keep 2m from anybody we pass. Other than that we haven't needed to leave the house since lock down.

I can't see how you can catch anything walking past someone unless they cough in your face. Added to that so few people actually have it that it is very unlikely I would meet one very often anyway.

We have run out of red wine but getting some delivered on Monday. Currently drinking alcohol free wine with vodka added to turn it back into wine.
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Post by: unhappy on May 02, 2020
Isn't it odd that the airlines back home are all crying into their beer, bemoaning their aircraft are grounded they are sacking staff and want loads of money from the Government, this when most of them are not refunding money for flights already booked and cancelled by them.

Yet an Hungarian airline with just a few tweeks to their safety protocol are flying from today.

And then yesterday I saw that crook O'Leary of Ryanair saying he was going to cut his salary by 50%, why only 50% he's done sod all to help the people he left stranded, If he gives the other 50% he can donate my flight money he has not returned to the fantastic nurses of the NHS.
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Post by: angiebabes on May 02, 2020
Isn't it odd that the airlines back home are all crying into their beer, bemoaning their aircraft are grounded they are sacking staff and want loads of money from the Government, this when most of them are not refunding money for flights already booked and cancelled by them.

Yet an Hungarian airline with just a few tweeks to their safety protocol are flying from today.

And then yesterday I saw that crook O'Leary of Ryanair saying he was going to cut his salary by 50%, why only 50% he's done sod all to help the people he left stranded, If he gives the other 50% he can donate my flight money he has not returned to the fantastic nurses of the NHS.

Sorry to alarm you but being widely reported that your flight today cancelled as indeed all WizzAir flights until June?
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Post by: pilgrim on May 02, 2020
Friends in Menorca, who have been holed up like some of you fellas, have booked on the first flight out, which is May 9th! So would have thought that may be the date for re mobalisation generally for avation.
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Post by: nophead on May 02, 2020
There is a TUI flight from Amsterdam just landing at TFS at the moment. I haven't seen TUI flying there for weeks.

WizzAir's website still shows W9 8130 as being on time.
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Post by: unhappy on May 02, 2020
We have also heard that rumor, but if you check Luton airport a Wizz Air flight has just landed from Bucharest, so all their flights have not been cancelled until June, also it is listed to fly with boarding gates given

We assume they will use that aircraft to fly to TFS we may be wrong but until they notify me direct that it is cancelled we hopefully will be flying home today
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Post by: unhappy on May 02, 2020
Sorry I ment Budapest.
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Post by: angiebabes on May 02, 2020
Praying for you unhappy, do let us know how you get on x
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Post by: pesatron on May 02, 2020
Praying for you unhappy, do let us know how you get on x

Hear, Hear! Good Luck Unhappy
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Post by: SandyLea on May 02, 2020
Fingers crossed for you Unhappy.
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Post by: Pete on May 02, 2020
British Embassy Madrid
Following our post on this page earlier this week, Wizz Air have now informed the Government that they have cancelled their flights from Tenerife to London Luton and do not expect to start running this service until June at the earliest. British Airways, Iberia and Vueling continue to operate flights to the UK via Barcelona and Madrid. These remain the most reliable flight options and we continue to post regular updates on this page. We very much regret the further disruption customers may suffer as a result of these cancellations.
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Post by: nophead on May 02, 2020
Well the WizzAir flight W9 8130 status has just updated to cancelled. Unbelievable. Is that your flight number Unhappy?
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Post by: nophead on May 02, 2020
And now it has changed to delayed one hour!
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Post by: AWOL on May 02, 2020
Its on the way and due in at 2055 at TFS.

Looking good.

AWOL
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Post by: unhappy on May 02, 2020
Mad house calling here, Pilgrim my glass is starting to become half empty, as of this afternoon Wizz Air cancelled our flight, 40 mins later received another email stating changes in Government policy our flight will go ahead but a little delayed.

Have watched Luton airport & flight radar our flight left Luton at 18.01 en route to Tenerife so hopefully we will be on our way home tonight
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Post by: nophead on May 02, 2020
Which government?
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Post by: Georgie on May 02, 2020
Best of luck and thinking of you
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Post by: pilgrim on May 02, 2020
Fingers crossed for you Unhappy, hope you get home, if all goes well, maybe change that "Call sign".
"Just about Happy" may be better!!
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Post by: Samijoe on May 02, 2020
Hope you have a safe and uneventful journey home.
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Post by: nophead on May 02, 2020
Looks like it tool off at 11:32, so the BBC were right and JA was wrong.
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Post by: Samijoe on May 03, 2020
A very terse response from JA this morning.
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Post by: Tanemera on May 03, 2020
I see what you mean, Samijoe.  Way over the top.  I have stopped looking at her web page since being scolded severely for politely requesting clarification on an ambiguous item concerning the Brexit issue.
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Post by: janey on May 03, 2020
unhappy - we all need to know if you are back in sunny birmingham?
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Post by: nophead on May 03, 2020
Since it only landed in Luton at 3.05 and then he had to get a taxi north I expect it will be a while before he surfaces.
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Post by: unhappy on May 03, 2020
Hi everybody, I can now report from grey & cool Staffordshire YES we are home & can I thank Wizz Air for the fantastic job they did,

The flight was delayed about an hour but it was like going back in time, check in, one person in front of us to check in, security no up stairs & around, walked straight in departure lounge from check in.

There were no food halls or shops open only machines but we went prepared, flight called through passport control down one flight of stairs aircraft 30 mts away.

No old worn out one person steps to aircraft they were four abreast fully lit steps, we thought we were on a stairway to heaven.

The aircraft was a brand new airbus you could smell the newness inside, the crew were very polite and helpful, all the other airlines should take notice, it was like traveling in the old BOAC days.

They were not allowed to serve food but said just press your bell if you wanted a hot or cold drink, any body that thought of taking this flight and did not you did the wrong thing.

I did talk to one of the staff and said tell your bosses to start flying from the Midlands.

It is odd when all the airlines in the UK are moaning about aircraft stuck at airports, sacking staff, & expecting us like the banks to bail them out when things go a little wrong, but a Hungarian Green airline can do what they can not.

AGAIN WIZZ AIR THANK YOU FOR A FANTASTIC JOB
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Post by: nophead on May 03, 2020
Great to hear people can finally get home.

How full was the plane, i.e. was it commercially viable?

Which government was messing about changing policy? UK or Spanish?
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Post by: Samijoe on May 03, 2020
Sounds like my kind of flight. No crowds and some personal space. Glad you are home safe after an eventful stay in LG. Hopefully you will want to return at some point. We are counting down to September and keeping optimistic that flights will go ahead even if there are restrictions in place.
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Post by: unhappy on May 03, 2020
The flight was 2 thirds full but had spacing on seats, don't know which Government, but hopefully a precedent now set, and of course JA got all the facts wrong again.
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Post by: pilgrim on May 03, 2020
Unhappy, well done! bet you can't stop smiling!!!
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Post by: Georgie on May 03, 2020
Nice 1 some good news for a chance
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Post by: angiebabes on May 04, 2020
The flight was 2 thirds full but had spacing on seats, don't know which Government, but hopefully a precedent now set, and of course JA got all the facts wrong again.
Iím delighted to read of your safe arrival back home after such nerve wracking hours this end trying to ascertain whether the flight would actually happen. You must be relieved and delighted to be back in UK as you so wanted to be there.

However, I feel you are so unfair in your comment about Janet Anscombe. Iíve just listened to her podcast where she states that flight was cancelled a total of four times before it actually took off. She, herself was asked by the FCO to post that the flight had been cancelled as per the information the FCO had been given. As of now, no-one knows the reasons why this state of affairs occurred but Janet did everything she could, as always to bring factual information to the internet and it was not her fault that the status of that flight altered so many times in a day.

Personally, I give great value to the information Janet takes such pains to publish, not for her benefit, but for the likes of me and defend her accuracy and diligence.
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Post by: blarer on May 04, 2020
Well said Angiebabes.
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Post by: nophead on May 04, 2020
The more JA posts the more I have grown to dislike her. She relishes the lockdown and telling people what they can't do and stopped people discussing the flights when it was important to a lot of her readers. She told me off for quoting the BBC that WizzAir would be flying to TFS and who was right in the end?

And she posts things like "A new normality will dawn rather than an old one return, perhaps." as if she prefers everything closed.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: unhappy on May 04, 2020
Angiebabes & blarer, its a pity you did not see the email she sent me after I praised Wizz Air for doing what they did, don't forget no other British Airline or Government tried to do this.

Her comments were I should not be praising the Wizz Air because the flight had been cancelled 4 times by the Government but she did not know which one the British or the Spanish.

I thought what she should have been saying is congratulations to Wizz Air for persevering trying to get this flight into Tenerife, and castergating whichever Government was trying to STOP IT.

I sent her an email back with these comments & told her not to bother replying because I would not read it and was removing her site from my computer, the woman thinks to much of herself.
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Post by: angiebabes on May 04, 2020
The more JA posts the more I have grown to dislike her. She relishes the lockdown and telling people what they can't do and stopped people discussing the flights when it was important to a lot of her readers. She told me off for quoting the BBC that WizzAir would be flying to TFS and who was right in the end?

And she posts things like "A new normality will dawn rather than an old one return, perhaps." as if she prefers everything closed.

Indeed, Janet is absolutely right that there will be a ďnew normĒ at least until there is a foolproof, safe vaccine which she herself has said. This is evident in phase 4 predictions of how our lives will be, Yes, the flight did take off, but if you are criticising someone in a situation that genuinely changed four times during the course of Saturday, I think you are harsh in your judgement and totally unfair. The BBC must have had a crystal ball ! When did they announce it would fly, after the four cancellations and before Janet could comment? Come on, play fair, give the lady a fair trial before you slam her with your negative comments. She is the first to recognise the changing news, but isnít psychic for godís sake!!! Really, you make me very very cross at your totally biased, confident assertions.

And unhappy, Iím disappointed in you as a business entrepreneur. Have you never, ever promised a delivery/treatment/activity that because of forces beyond your control youíve had to amend? I know I have many times in my business life and it is frustrating, embarrassing and annoying but it happens. For heavenís sake give this lady a break. None of us are without faults you know! Back to my wine, whine or however you want to interpret my musings.

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Post by: blarer on May 04, 2020
You see things your way and I'll see them my way.
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Post by: Georgie on May 04, 2020
Everyone has a different option on everything.

All I want is to come back to los gigantes and chill out
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Post by: unhappy on May 04, 2020
angiebabes, Oh is that why this woman who welcomed the flight problem on to her site, but when she could not be bothered with how many people were posting, who unlike myself were desperate to get home, myself I was only trying to heed, the British Governments advice to return HOME ASAP. She withdrew the topic.

That sounds like a control freak to me, and she has no right to knock an airline that was trying to help those who wanted to get home. Perhaps she should ask the BBC where to get the same crystal ball from,  instead of rubber necking with people who think they know everything but don't, like herself

As for my business NO I never let a customer down, that is why in 35 years I had some of the same customers from day 1 to 35 years later, my suppliers knew my rules I never let them wait to be paid they never let me down, and I purchased equipment from all over the world.

For my business acumen I once had a change of Personal Banking Manager, I had the usual customary letter introducing himself, saying he would be in touch in the next 2 weeks, when he did not, I rang him introduced myself, he said he did not recognise my Company and would I give him a few moments to do some Investigating which he did & then rang me back, the reason he did not know me was because the bank did not make any money out of my Company, In 35 years I never had a bank overdraft, because my company bank account was never in the red & I never borrowed money off them, I negotiated free banking charges & I sold, rented & repaired Capital Equipment costing 10s of thousands of pounds, That is how to run a company, I can not comment how you ran yours.

blarer, I could not care less what you think, I will draw my own conclusions, having had dealings with her 10 years ago and now, the only person she is interested in is her own self importance.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: nophead on May 04, 2020
I simply reported that BBC had said in the context of people being stranded that WizzAir were going to restart flights in May. This was several days before, so I was not predicting anything with confidence. Simply relaying what I regard as a reliable source in the hope it would help people trying to find flights back.

Janet didn't like that because I don't think she wants flights from the UK bringing the virus back to Tenerife. I think she wants a new normal with no visitors having a care free holiday on her idyllic police state island.

My view is this world response is total nonsense. The Canaries have had 141 Covid19 deaths out of population of 2 million over about 2 months. In that time about 3000 people would normally die. So is it reasonable that everything should stop and we should have a new norm with no socialising, entertainment or fun?

We are told to grieve for all these people lost to the virus, but what about the other 2859 people who's deaths would cause just as much grieving to the their loved ones? The vast majority of people that die are in their 70's and 80's, where it is normal to have a significant chance of dying.

The Spanish flu killed millions of people around the world but did is stop everything and create a new normality? No because in those days if you didn't go out for work you would die anyway and death was common.

We have lost touch with reality and sense of risk. Even if you catch Covid19 on average the chance of it killing you is about the same as the chance of dying in the next year of something. So if you are 80's quite a high chance. If you are in you 20's very low but still finite as not all 20 year olds see 21.

By telling people to isolate governments have made people scared of something that is not all that dangerous compared to other things in life and they never put it into perspective.



Title: Re: Virus
Post by: blarer on May 04, 2020
Unhappy is you own opinion the right one ? you seem rather full of yourself. and all me me. I don't care that you don't care what I think.

Title: Re: Virus
Post by: Cartman on May 05, 2020
https://babylonbee.com/news/lockdown-made-permanent-to-end-traffic-deaths-for-good
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Post by: Samijoe on May 05, 2020
Agree with Georgie. In these uncertain times the thought of a few weeks in LG is keeping me sane.
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Post by: unhappy on May 05, 2020
blarer, I have never said my opinion is right, but it is my right to have an opinion, It is called " freedom of speech ", the same for you, something JA does not believe in, if she disagrees with you even if you are right or wrong, I call that controlling, not an open forum.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: pilgrim on May 05, 2020
Yes, JA seems to relish "the new norm", but the truth is it has all been a massive over reaction, and the REAL VICTIMS are those people who have built business, many over more than one generation, that will never re open! And they will be another unemployed statistic, along with their staff.
I cannot see things returning to pre virus days ever!
And sadly the Canaries will fare very poorly, as people will be choosing a 2 hour flight in isolation over a 4 hour + flight!
We too will not be returning to LG 4 or 5 times a year for 2 or 3 weeks at a time. We will most likely now stay a couple of times for 5 or 6 weeks instead.
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Post by: Mary on May 05, 2020
Yes people who have lost businesses are victims Pilgrim, but in my opinion the real victims are the thousands who have lost loved ones, businesses can be rebuilt, loved ones are gone forever.
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Post by: nophead on May 05, 2020
True but many more people have died of other causes, each with the same effect on loved ones. In fact everybody dies and most are mourned. It is part of life.

A lot of the people that have died from covid19 did not have long to live anyway. I think on average, one year since catching it only as dangerous as living for a year.

The fact that covid19 is in the news makes people fear it but it has only just passed the death rate of a bad winter flu episode and they happen most years with no media coverage and nobody scared to go out. The pubs are normally full at Christmas when it is prevalent. We don't self isolate to protect the old people and the NHS.

And when somebody in their 80's dies of pneumonia in a care home we normally accept that is what happens. We don't consider it a terrible tragedy. And if they have dementia some relatives consider it a blessing.

We are now getting to the point were the damage to economy will cause more death in the long run than the disease. 



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Post by: Mary on May 05, 2020
i agree many have died with the virus, and may not have had long anyway, but lots were young healthy front line care workers who probably had much more to give, and many younger people, who may or may not have died, who knows.

Of corse people are not as scared during a flu epidemic, many have been inoculated But the big difference you are overlooking is that if you get flu you self isolate anyway, believe me you have little choice, and unlike the virus you are unlikely  to be a carrier and not be symptomatic.
This virus is very much an unknown and unlike flu which mutates but still occurs ever year, it appears to  require a lot more medical intervention.
 
Iím sure lots of people think itís not something to be concerned about, but personally as long as my family and friends are still around after all this upheaval then Iíll be very glad, and if staying away from others, taking precautions and not being self absorbed helps me achieve that aim, ill do whatever it takes.


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Post by: nophead on May 05, 2020
Not sure about in Tenerife but in the UK the health service is a massive organisation and it has only killed people in it in the same age profile as it has killed the rest of the population and that is, for a given age, the chance of it killing you is about the same dying of something in the next year.

The government is being disingenuous when they say it kills at all ages to frighten people. Yes it does but only in the same way that normal life does.

People do die at any age and it is shocking for their relatives, and for the population if it is a famous person, but otherwise largely forgotten and not a big problem to society as there is no shortage of people.

There is no sense of perspective to the way governments are acting. If they announced the Covid death figures along with all the other forms of death that day it would not look like a big problem and something to be scared off unless you are so unfit you are likely not to last another year.





Title: Re: Virus
Post by: Georgie on May 05, 2020
The bottom line is dont watch the news or read the papers because you never know if it is true or not

One day they say smokers are ok then they are not

Then if you are fat or not

If you are over 70 or not

We just need to ride this out and never see any batman movies
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Post by: nophead on May 05, 2020
Yes is you fat, smoke and are over 70 then time to worry about covid but also lucky to have lasted that long.
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Post by: unhappy on May 05, 2020
Blimey, I am getting worried now, I am over 70, I am over weight I blame the wine, I used to smoke 40 years ago, I have high blood pressure, and arthritis not to mention sex 8 times a week ( in my dreams of course )
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Post by: pilgrim on May 05, 2020
Unhappy, you sound better already, I last month moved into my 7th decade, so am trying to plan for the future old age!
Which reminds me off the old fella who goes to the doctor complaining that his sex life is not what it was!
Doctor asks, when did this happen.
4 times last night and 3 times this morning!
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Post by: pilgrim on May 05, 2020
Anyways, the only real way that we will be able to measure the deaths due to Colvid 19, Is thru the statistics.
We cannot trust any politician or any Lefty NHS official who have been lying! We know this from family!!
So when the annual death rates come out, we just need to see what this years blip is, so far 30,000 reported to the virus. If the figure is just 5,000 more! maybe we can agree that the lives wrecked and lost was not worth the lockdown. When your 60 plus in a holiday home! what have you got to lose! kids and parents who's education is lost and income everything!
The CURE cannot be worse than the DISEASE!
Come on lets all get a grip!!!
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: nophead on May 07, 2020
Looks like today's WizzAir flight from TFS to LTN is showing as cancelled. I wonder if they have run out of passengers after two flights.
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Post by: angiebabes on May 07, 2020
Looks like today's WizzAir flight from TFS to LTN is showing as cancelled. I wonder if they have run out of passengers after two flights.

Step away from that wine glass! They fly Tuesdays and Saturdays between Tfs and Luton
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Post by: pilgrim on May 08, 2020
I hope VE day has given you some fun and reassurance.
The Queen was magnificent tonight at 9 PM live. I hope you could get the transmission in Tenerife there!
The time now is not great, but maybe a reflection of what our parents/grandparents had to contend with
maybe make us realise that Virus is going to pass and we have a lot to look forward. God bless us all, stay safe, and hopefully will be out again to enjoy the most amazing corner of Rock and people the world has to offer!!
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Post by: nophead on May 08, 2020
Street parties, not much social distancing where we live!
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Post by: Dolly Diver on May 09, 2020
I took this photo this morning at 10am.  We have beautilful clear skies and calm sea but no boats allowed out, all marinas are still closed, but hopefully that will change next week as it has been announced that we can enter phase 1 of the release from lockdown on Monday.  A step in the right direction.  We should be able to see family and friends, I believe in groups no bigger than 10 people. Some bars and small businesses can open again.   We can start to get our lives back again.

Our boat needs to be used to blow all the cobwebs off.  I'm desperate for a swim or better still a dive, my grandchildren would love to snorkel or play on their surfboards.  I will be packing a picnic and a few beers to celebrate.
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Post by: Georgie on May 09, 2020
Excellent  enjoy your self

Bit jealous
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Post by: pilgrim on May 09, 2020
Yes hope marina opens up for you Dolly, and think you should all be safe enough wearing your scuba equipment. That little fat twit of a Captinare won't be happy. I always feel he doesn't get it that a marina is for leisure!
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Post by: TimO on May 13, 2020
Hi all. I managed to get back home to Cork in the ROI on the scheduled Aer Lingus flight that departed TFS at midday on Friday 20th March. When I boarded the flight I was informed that there would be no food or drink served on the flight plus the flight wasn't even half full! By the time I arrived home I was pretty hungry and thirsty.

As you probably well know the lock down actually began on Sunday 15th March not Monday 16th! It was just as well you could go out and do some shopping in the supermarkets after that otherwise things would've got a little 'hairy' if we hadn't been able to.

I spent 6 days in lock down in Puerto de Santiago before leaving Tenerife on 20th March and then I went through another 14 days of self isolation when I got home just to make absolutely sure and low and behold none of the members of my household have contracted Covid-19, so, there was some common sense shown by the Irish Government in how they've gone about implementing the lock down.

The UK government has made a complete and utter dog's dinner of things, so, it's just as well that you're all out there in Los Gigs and the surrounding areas. Bojo, Nick Hancock and Dominic Raab have failed the British people. The NHS and all of its staff have been magnificent, and some of those staff members have made the ultimate sacrifice because of those three members of the cabinet and the government as a whole.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: nophead on May 14, 2020
Do you know that deaths in the NHS are exactly the same rate as in the population as a whole?

And the death rate in the UK per million is less than Spain and Italy despite us probably having the most unfit population second to the US.

Also I think the lock down rules here make a lot more sense than Spain. Why is it only recently that a couple can share their car? Made no sense and neither does no exercise for months.

And why are governments around the world relaxing lockdowns now? The virus is still in all the populations so nothing has changed. If we can have less restrictions now it means we could have had them all along. Months of pointless restrictions for nothing.



Title: Re: Virus
Post by: unhappy on May 14, 2020
Both of you may have valid points, but as someone who had 7 weeks of lockdown in Tenerife and witnessed the efforts to control the virus, the figures when I left were in the whole of the Canaries just over 2000 infected & 123 deaths, 40 in Tenerife mainly in the North.

I then returned to the UK & to be honest was dismayed to see how bad, I feel the situation has been handled I arrived at Luton Airport thanks to Wizz Air, and we had different Nationals on board. At the airport there were no checks whatsoever in fact a couple who sounded like Eastern Europeans & backpackers that were on our flight were outside before us and were asking us for money.

Seeing the lack of clear messaging from the Government unlike Spain and the rubbish way supermarkets,  Doctor surgeries & people in general are handling this in the UK, is again a course of concern, we can bandie populations & deaths per capita, But people are DYING it will take years to overcome this virus, and as far as I am concerned the UK acted too SLOW & to WEAKLY from the start, & I have voted blue all my life
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Post by: nophead on May 14, 2020
I think the end result everywhere will be 80% of the population will get it and 1% will die. It is just a matter of how long it takes. And since 1% die every year it would just be a blip, hardly noticeable except to undertakers and healthcare workers. Just as seasonal flu is isn't noticeable to most of the population.

Lockdowns achieve nothing. If we went back to normal life now within a few days of doubling all countries would be back where they started, so what has lockdown achieved? It doesn't change anything except perhaps delay the inevitable.
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Post by: angiebabes on May 14, 2020
I think the end result everywhere will be 80% of the population will get it and 1% will die. It is just a matter of how long it takes. And since 1% die every year it would just be a blip, hardly noticeable except to undertakers and healthcare workers. Just as seasonal flu is isn't noticeable to most of the population.

Lockdowns achieve nothing. If we went back to normal life now within a few days of doubling all countries would be back where they started, so what has lockdown achieved? It doesn't change anything except perhaps delay the inevitable.

Gosh at last, a solution! Forget furloughing, isolation, etc and follow this advice. Trouble is, if youíre not right, there wonít be many left.  And if you are right, why do we spend so much time, money and effort educating people to be scientists, medics, statisticians etc, when someone has the answer from his garden.

Perhaps the solution is slightly more complex than you would have us believe. Iím not prepared to risk your advice unless you can back it up with qualifications and proof.
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Post by: pilgrim on May 14, 2020
The LockDown is a lever, to slow the transmission rates of the Virus. This was to enable the NHS to cope, along with the cemeteries. And it just about worked!
So the government have lifted there foot of the lever a little bit. And as long as the NHS has capacity, they will continue in phased segments.
On the subject of nursing homes. Many of those in hospitals with other problems were sent back to the homes to make space. The truth is that a lot of these elderly were in hospital bed blocking. And of course a lot of them took Covid 19 back with them!
The government are a lot less bothered about these elderly dying. It is an obvious sad truth.
Care homes are really - end of life homes. Sad I know, but the priority for the government has to be the younger people who drive the economy through work and procreation.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: nophead on May 14, 2020
It is not my prediction it is the government's based on their modelling. You only get 80% of the population infected because of herd immunity. The R value starts to fall as each new person that gets it is surrounded by people that already have it or have had it so eventually they don't pass it on to more than one person.

The mortality rate is thought to be about 1%, so 66 million * 80% * 1% is about 500,000. As 600,000 die every year and they are mostly from the same group of aged and infirm the excess deaths would not even be that big over a year. A lot of people just dying a few months earlier. The other 99% could get on with their lives, go to bars, go on holiday, etc, or hide away at home for the rest of their lives if they are scared.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: VictorM on May 14, 2020
From a 77 years old resident of LG, please stop all this hysterical messaging re Covid-19. It's here and nothing you write will improve the situation. STOP TRYING TO MAKE US ALL manically depressed!!!!
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: Georgie on May 22, 2020
If I have to work from home for the next 10 years and decide to go to los gigantes

What has the internet connection been like lately
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: linda on May 23, 2020
We have fibre into our apartment. And it's very good
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: Georgie on May 23, 2020
Thank you
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: Georgie on May 27, 2020
No one seems to be posting

Are you queuing at tesco xx
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: nophead on May 27, 2020
Not me, haven't needed to shop since lockdown. Wine and beer comes from the Wine Society, haven't needed food or toilet rolls yet due to our normal stocks. Have a Morisons food box arriving at the weekend.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: pilgrim on May 27, 2020
Nophead you seem to be very well organised, are you preparing for a real pandemic?
Papers here saying Spain to reopen for tourism by end of June. Sounds to soon to me, don't think the flights will be available by then. Have yet to see how the airlines will prepare for individual isolation. And I guess they will have to be approved by some International Aviation Authority.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: angiebabes on May 27, 2020
Mop head, are you seriously saying that for nine weeks youíve not had to buy a single thing? You keep a cow? You grow all your veg, apples, oranges,bananas, slaughter all your meat, chickens lay your eggs, antibac and hand wash you make yourselves, so who does all this animal husbandry whilst you decamp to Tenerife?
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: nophead on May 27, 2020
Nop as in No Operation, a computer term. Although mop was more applicable because until a couple of days ago my hair hadn't been cut for 5 months. It was starting to look like Einstein's, wavy and sticking up. I never knew I had hair like that as never grown it long before. I bought barber's clippers from Amazon and my wife cut it.

We grow our own fruit and veg and harvest in the autumn, combine it with bought meat and fish and make frozen meals that we would normal consume over the winter. This year we spent 5 months in Tenerife, so most of the frozen stuff was still there when we got home in March. We also had a cupboard full of tinned food like fish and chicken and dried stuff like pasta, lentils and rice as well as tomatoes, beans and chickpeas, so we could make a lot of new meals. Even had three Frey Bentos pies but they are a bit naff nowadays.

We had butternut squash, which are winter squash, so they keep over winter on a windowsill.

We had some frozen milk as well but we have some young neighbours who drop off fresh stuff like milk and yogurt and a few bits and pieces. They also managed to get us bread yeast so we are able to make our own bread with a machine and flour that is 5 years past its use by date!

Currently harvesting lettuce on demand, radish, snow ball turnip, asparagus, chard, rhubarb, garlic and onions. Broad beans and mange tout should be ready soon. Strawberries will be ready by Wimbledon week, except that won't happen this year.

Also had plenty of toilet rolls as we have three toilets and only use one now guests are banned. We didn't know how many we had so we brought two from Tenerife in our hand luggage just in case!

We can get curry, Chinese and Thai delivered.

So the only things we miss are joints of meat and whole chickens, although I am actually the lightest I remember being in adult life now having lost about 12 lbs.

My wife had some antibacterial hand wash but I have all the chemicals to make some if I need to. So far we just use soap and water. When we do need to go to the shops we have surgical masks, 3D printed full face visors and nitrile gloves.

We weren't prepared for a pandemic but we were prepared for Brexit happening while we were away and were expecting food shortages.
 
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: pilgrim on May 27, 2020
I normally have a reasonable response! But just thinking, you may not be the most spontaneous person, should we bump into you in LG. Are you sure Tenerife being a holiday location, may be the correct place for you!!!!
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: angiebabes on May 27, 2020
Predictive text didnít recognise NOP, I apologise. So you contradict yourself - yes you did need supplies brought to you by others, milk, yoghurt etc.  We too didnít go to a shop for nine weeks here in Tenerife and were helped enormously by good neighbours and supportive friends.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: nophead on May 27, 2020
Well yes I meant't shop as in going to a physical shop rather than just buying things. I buy things online all the time but it is almost impossible to get groceries delivered at the only time we have ever wanted groceries delivered. A few companies have started doing fixed content boxes as they can do that in much higher volumes. ASDA's is rubbish but Morrisons' is a good match to what we would want.

On the other hand we are not worried about going shopping but queuing would be a pain. Hopefully we can get large quantities in Costco and not need to go very often.

pilgrim, not sure what you are getting at. We love being in Tenerife in the winter for the weather, bars and restaurants. Not really a holiday, just a winter residence away from the dark and damp weather in the UK. We would normally have gone to the lakes with friends for a holiday in May and spent the summer having friends and family round for BBQs and going to beer festivals and gigs. Doesn't look like any of that will happen this year. Perhaps we will get to LG in November but I don't really want to if it is the new normal, not the old normal.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: unhappy on May 28, 2020
Well with all this Coronavirus news & the 2 idiots at number 10, I did not realise WW3 had started. I will have to go to the shop & stock up like nophead, I used to have a Costco card once & only went once, it was like a cattle market.
Problem is we have down sized 3 times now, putting it somewhere safe, sod it I wished I had not knocked the air raid shelter down 50 years ago. 
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: Georgie on May 28, 2020
My view is you cannot blame the government it is a scientific issue

Thank god corbyn was not elected

Think about the problem we would now have

Sorry just my view
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: unhappy on May 28, 2020
Yes you can, they were voted in to govern not to kiss ass with their lying advisors, we were in Tenerife when they brought in the lock down, it was a lock down not the half hearted crap Boris & his mates brought in.

NO lock down, NO testing, NO PPE or any thought of ordering some extra, I would sack the whole lot of them, do you think Boris is a love child of that Idiot Trump, because he certainly is starting to act like him

We are now relaxing the lock down, 377 DIED YESTERDAY, he must be mad, My wife and I were in Tenerife for six weeks in their lock down and when we left only 40 had died there, and please spare me the comparison of populations, their was only 40 because it was a correct LOCK DOWN, not very nice when you are there, but it stopped people dying.

The truth is the Government have handled this virus very badly and being a true blue it is very sad to say so, but the buck stops there, they were inept and useless and are still making bad decisions.

I have said before we lost our son now 4 years ago we have been home 4 weeks and we have not seen our Granddaughter for over 5 months thanks to this virus and the airlines, it is here 8th birthday next week, we can now see here but we still make sure she is kept safe, In other words we wont be going for a ride in my new Jag to make sure it runs OK or the brakes work 
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: nophead on May 28, 2020
Only 337, should be about 1800 per day if we live to 100.

The lockdown in Spain didn't allow exercise, so I don't think it was very bright. I doubt anybody here caught it doing exercise.  It also didn't allow you to walk with your wife or share a taxi. All things that make no sense.

What was allowed in the UK, but not in Spain, that caused a problem?

Why are all these lockdowns being relaxed? Were they all unnecessarily strict? For example from Monday we can meet six friends instead of one. But as they have to be 2m distance what difference does the number make? We are allowed to meet any number of strangers at 2m distance all the time, for example if you went to a shop.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: unhappy on May 29, 2020
nophead you should get your facts correct before you post them, but then you had already scuttled off home before the lock down in Tenerife.

1- Exercise if you used your head and we did not break the lock down rules we could almost go out every day, shopping we both went because of carrying 5/8 Lt water bottles, when we did not shop we took the rubbish & recycling out, Sunday we went to the pharmacy, also Lidl or Dino in PS because Mercadona was closed. We did see the police a couple of times & they realised what we were doing & were no problem.
I don't think lack of exercise for a couple of months is as deadly as the virus, and I think what you mean is you do not like being told what to do.

2- Taxis I asked 2 & used them but you had to use one of the 7 seaters & sit behind each other if there was 2 of you.

3- The news we watched in TF & when we got home of idiots bbq on the beach, crammed on trains, runners & cyclists having no care for anybody as long as they got their fix, picnics & sun bathing in parks, this was after we had seen in China,Italy & Spain how deadly this virus was.

As for your comment only 337 lets hope you never meet any of their relatives or the nearly 40.000 that have died, the worst in Europe & we had warnings from the other Countries & I repeat our Government were inept & useless.

I also watched the news this morning Dentists can not open because they can not get PPE equipment when is this Government going to get their finger out of you know where & sort this problem out along with the lack of testing & those they do get,  the waiting for results sorted out.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: nophead on May 29, 2020
No we left after lockdown started, we flew on the Thursday and it started on the preceding Saturday evening at midnight. Even those few days made us less fit and heavier as we normally walk large distances up and down those steep roads every day.

We normally shop in Lidl but we would have had to go to Mercedona or Dino because they are much nearer. We didn't actually need anything for the last five days, so stayed in apart from putting out the rubbish.

I think by the time you left the taxis were more sensible and when we left it was full of people with just a gap behind the driver but in between they said a couple would need two taxis to the airport.

I don't count a virus that has the same chance of killing me as one year of life, if I catch it,  deadly. And the chances of catching it are still quite small as only about 1 in 400 have it.

We are not the worst in Europe yet, Belgium and Spain are per capita, why would you count it any other way? I think it is more a reflection of how unfit our population is than anything the government has done. We have the highest obesity in Europe. Look who needed hospital treatment amongst the cabinet. The others just had 7 days off.

If it is idiotic to have a BBQ, why is it now explicitly allowed as is sunbathing? As long as they were two metres away from other people BBQs and sunbathing were never a problem but people were outraged.

Lots of cyclists and runners have passed us on the road without problem.

As for PPE you can buy it from office suppliers, not sure why dentists can't get it. Anybody can have a test and most results come back next day. The number of people coming forward limits the number of tests per day, not the capacity. And less than 7% of tests are positive, not sure what that says about the people being tested. If they have symptoms and are negative they must have a cold and how do you catch anything during social distancing? They might be a lot of contacts of people who tested positive, in which case it doesn't look very contagious.

Title: Re: Virus
Post by: nophead on May 29, 2020
An interesting observation is the graph of deaths in New York looks like London's and the graph of the rest of the US looks like the rest of the UK.

London and New York have much worse peaks but then come down much faster to a low level. I think perhaps they run out of susceptible people that are not well isolated. Perhaps this why all the lifting of lockdown doesn't seem to cause any increase in R despite nothing changing about the virus.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: unhappy on May 29, 2020
So what you are saying you were only there a few days, so how can you judge the lock down ?. Also your Geography not very good Dinos is a hell of a lot closer to Lidl than Mercadona's.

You must watch a different news programme to me people are waiting over a week to get their test results & the Government have still not sorted out the supply of PPE & please don't give me a graph of how much is being used, I am sure those that need it but still can not get would also not be interested.

Your last post you must be on another planet they have NOT lifted the lockdown they have eased it, and again why do you think they still want you to keep 2Mt distance & limit how many people meet because they are scared if people do not the R rate will increase again & we will get a second wave
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: nophead on May 29, 2020
The nearest SuperDino for us is at the dagger roundabout at the top of the road with Mercadona on it and is our nearest shop.

According to JA you could only pass a smaller shop to go to a bigger supermarket, so we would have been limited to Mercadona unless it was closed. Not too bad but a lot more expensive than Lidl for most things. We normally shop in all three to get the best prices but get most stuff from Lidl.

Seems to be more a problem with local management than the government. I just got this add from a packaging company we used:



Title: Re: Virus
Post by: unhappy on May 29, 2020
So not only are you passing Dinos & Mercadona to get to Lidl Its a good job you went home, you would have been up a creek without a paddle. Why don't you support the Spanish shops at least you get a smile & they are helpful

Have you ever thought of going to TF & not shopping around to save every cent after all did you not tell us you retired at 16 or some young age with plenty of dough.

Its a good job Costco have not opened there, but there is a Makro another place that offers great deals until you get inside, live a little, you wont spend all your money.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: nophead on May 29, 2020
We do use all three but prefer the produce and prices at Lidl. They all have Spanish staff and I would say Mercedona are the least friendly and I don't like the smell of fish that pervades the entire shop. Fresh fish shouldn't smell and fish counter in our Tescos here didn't before they removed it.

I never look at prices but my wife hates waste, so she take note and compares them to get a bargain. Who knows how much money one will need in retirement, there could be a major disaster that ruins the economy in the 30 years we expected to be retired, oh there has already been one!

We can't live it up and spend much at the moment because nothing we would spend it on is open, so we are actually spending a lot less than normal. We would normally be at the Stockport Beer Festival around now.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: unhappy on May 29, 2020
Good job they don't sell fish on that planet your on then, as for prices how do you know Mercadonas is more expensive than Lidl if you DON'T compare prices.

As for 30 years time, live for today, you might be one of those lucky people according to your graphs thats gets Covid 19 It will only be like getting into the Flu's death figures, God help the rest of us, I hope I never meet you in TF I might jump off one of the cliffs if I do
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: nophead on May 29, 2020
I take my wife's word for it that Lidl is cheaper for most things.

I think we will all get it eventually, just like flu. I had that when I was 20 and it was pretty bad, couldn't get out of bed, which was a bit embarrassing as I was in student halls and the term ended. The cleaners wanted to clean the room!
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: nophead on May 29, 2020
Oh and remember the governments death figures are people that died after a positive test for covid19. It doesn't matter what actually killed them. I would think that anybody admitted to hospital now would be tested to decide whether they needed to go on a red ward. In which case the figure could be quite misleading.

An interesting number would be how many deaths of healthy lean people. I think it would be very small.

The only person I know that has died from Covid 19 was very frail and not expected to live long anyway. On the other hand a relative died in March at 55 from something unrelated and was only diagnosed in December. He was seemingly healthy last summer when I last saw him. Nobody expected he would soon be dead. There are far more people dying not of covid19 than actually because of it.
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: unhappy on May 30, 2020
Pilgrim, Please do not say my glass is half empty again, I think Mr penny pinching, doom & gloom deserves that handle
Title: Re: Virus
Post by: pilgrim on May 30, 2020
Unhappy, you would fall out with a saint!