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leo_london

Re: Things to put life into Los Gigantes
« Reply #90 on: March 22, 2008 »
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  • Description from a travel site...
    " The resort of Los Gigantes is very attractive and carefully designed with aesthetic taste and forbearance... there is an exclusive air of tranquility and of being at one with the natural surroundings, which seems likely to remain, locked in as it is between area's natural rocky confines and the Atlantic Ocean...
    The Marina - Located next to the public beach is the Marina, filled with an armada of private yachts and boats floating on the water like so many luxury floating hotels and adorned with beautiful people and all the trappings of the wealthy."

    Does that still ring true ?...was it ever true ?  :-\\

    I have cast my votes for Falstaff's poll. As a mere visitor, I dont really know the effect some of the changes would make..more parking..where ?..luxury hotels..maybe, but not more concrete eyesores.
    I think it will make for an interesting debate when all the votes are cast..though I am still convinced that LG needs to find its own market niche and then promote that vigerously..not just try to become a scaled down version of some of the other popular Tenerife destinations.

    tlc

    Re: Things to put life into Los Gigantes
    « Reply #91 on: March 22, 2008 »
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  • wonderful write up - probably true in the 1970's !!!

    magsnmike

    Re: Things to put life into Los Gigantes
    « Reply #92 on: March 22, 2008 »
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  • Prices the world over are always marked up!!!! That is business.




    patsy

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    « Reply #93 on: March 25, 2008 »
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  • I have read all the post about the "extortionate" prices of bars and restaurants in LG with absolute amazement!
    My husband and I have been in the UK pub/restaurant trade for the last 30 odd years and I have to tell you that
    over here our prices are far,far higher tan anywhere in LG.
    For goodness sake. People are running businesses with tremendously high overheads. They certainly are not
    working all sorts of unsociable hours for fun or peanuts!
    Get real! I`d love to see some of the biggest critics have a go themselves and then listen to their points of view!

    amunette

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    « Reply #94 on: March 25, 2008 »
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  • The point you are missing is, when you know what they pay for the stuff, its a rip-off. Bars in PDLA,  LC and PDLC have similar rents, buy from the same suppliers and charge far less. You can buy a double chicken breast in the supermarket for 2e, why should you pay 10e for half of one butterflyed with a bit of sauce and trimmings? Also, a loaf of english sandwich bread is cheaper to buy than a Spanish one,when you buy from the bar suppliers, yet the excuse is Brit products=high price. I would love to run a bar, but 3 small children make it impossible at the mo', but believe me, if I did I would undercut all around and have my place heaving as the rest looked on in envy!! And still make a profit ;)

     Of course the UK is higher, look at the tax on alcohol for starters. This is a  duty-free island!!

    tlc

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    « Reply #95 on: March 25, 2008 »
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  • Chicken Breast for 2 euros and then sold on for 10euros !!!! It's called PROFIT  - not 'ooh lets rip you off'. I agree with Patsy, until you run your own business (which I have) you don't know the full ins and outs.  Believe me it is totally different working in a bar  for other people to actually running and owning a one.  It doesn't matter that one place might sell for 2 or 3 euros more than another, you don't know what bills/debts they have to pay. I think most things on this subject have now been covered, it's a shame that you feel you are being 'ripped' off all the time !!

    leo_london

    Re: Things to put life into Los Gigantes
    « Reply #96 on: March 25, 2008 »
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  • You can buy a double chicken breast in the supermarket for 2e, why should you pay 10e for half of one butterflyed with a bit of sauce and trimmings?

    I think you would find that the cost to buy-in the basic foodstuffs is almost immaterial. If you own a restaurant, how many covers would you be able to achieve at lunchtime or in the course of an evening ? If you reduced the price to 5e are you really going to be " heaving "?... even if that were possible would you have the capacity to cope ? I hope you do get the chance to run a bar or restaurant. I think, with the best will in the world, you would find it impossible to cut prices by much and stay in business...let alone make a profit.

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    Re: Things to put life into Los Gigantes
    « Reply #97 on: March 25, 2008 »
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  • At last someone with a bit of common sense as joined the debit will said patsy, I totally agree with you     
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    orange

    Re: Things to put life into Los Gigantes
    « Reply #98 on: March 25, 2008 »
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  • Add to all this, the value of the Euro which has dropped against the Pound some 15 percent (last 12 months).

    At 1.22 Euro/Pound (M&S) today it is the lowest since the Euro began.
     
    For the businesses in LG, this is a 15 percent increase in their prices without doing anything.
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    Re: Things to put life into Los Gigantes
    « Reply #99 on: March 25, 2008 »
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  • For the businesses in LG, this is a 15 percent increase in their prices without doing anything.

    Sorry Squeesy you've missed the point completely.  Bar/restaurant owners in Tenerife are paid in EUROS not pounds ...not wishing to labour the point but 1 euro = 1 euro on Jan 1 2007 and 1 euro = 1 euro on January 1 2008 ::) ::)

    orange

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    « Reply #100 on: March 25, 2008 »
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  • The majority of customers are visitors and perhaps residents affected by the euro exchange rate?

    Those residents on pensions etc from the UK must be well pleased.
     
    All this must have a knock on effect on businesses and spending.

    patsy

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    « Reply #101 on: March 25, 2008 »
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  • I`m sorry Amunette, it`s you who is missing the point.
    Of course you can buy a chicken breast for 2 euros but consider the following:-
    The chicken has to be collected from the supplier.
    The chicken has to be prepared and cooked by expensive staff (or the unpaid owner).
    The chicken must be supplemented by garnish and/or vegetables.
    The chicken must be served by the aforementioned expensive staff.
    The chicken must be served with napkins and condiments (with the customer often
    "taking" extra sachets for their handbags)
    The chicken is much more enjoyable served in ambient surroundings with plenty to
    see .
    The chicken is much more enjoyable if you don`t have to do the washing up (or pay
    staff to do it)
    10 euros? A bargain I think! But you can always spend just 2 euros and stay at home!
    Well done all the LG bars and restaurants that do a sterling job, day in,day out. It is
    one of the hardest jobs in the world and I for one salute them!!

    tlc

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    « Reply #102 on: March 25, 2008 »
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  • hear hear !!

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    Re: Things to put life into Los Gigantes
    « Reply #103 on: March 25, 2008 »
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  • Just to be a little devil !  :P

    Anyone know if petrol is cheaper in Tenerife or am I being ripped off here in the u k   :P
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    daisy

    Re: Things to put life into Los Gigantes
    « Reply #104 on: March 25, 2008 »
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  • Well said patsy.I'm sure there are many people who run their own business wharever that may be who will agree with you.

    amunette

    Re: Things to put life into Los Gigantes
    « Reply #105 on: March 25, 2008 »
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  • Sorry to disappoint, but I grew up in the pub/cafe trade, I do know about mark-up etc.  ;D Also my parents moved to Tenerife in 1992 to run a bar/restaurant , and though they no longer run it they are still on the island working in the "trade." They also have friends who have run and work in bars, so I do feel experienced enough to comment on "behind the scenes".

    As for expensive staff, you are having a laugh, lucky to get paid 5e an hour in LG!!

    patsy

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    « Reply #106 on: March 25, 2008 »
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  • If you`re all so expert  Amunette, how come your parents and friends are not still in the trade and
    being wildly successful. It strikes me that there`s alot of hot air at the moment in LG (and not the
    one that blows in from the Sahara!).

    magsnmike

    Re: Things to put life into Los Gigantes
    « Reply #107 on: March 25, 2008 »
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  • To get back on track now......

    Any ideas to put life into Los Gigantes?????

    patsy

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    « Reply #108 on: March 25, 2008 »
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  • What about a small artisan market with really local foods and crafts. Something along the lines of the
    farmers markets that have become popular in the UK.
    A local restaurant or bar could feature in some way and in return have their place publicised.
    Not all rejuvenation of a resort is solely down to how late the bars open.

    patsy

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    « Reply #109 on: March 25, 2008 »
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  • I`ve just had another thought. There are also book fairs and antique markets that are very popular
    here and they`d all get people back into the area initially. Just remind people that LG is still on the map.
    I think that they should be dealing in the more upmarket version of things for the type of person you need to attract.

    amunette

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    « Reply #110 on: March 25, 2008 »
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  • Patsy, really not sure why you seem to be singling me out to take a pop at?!! I am entiled to my opinion, as are you, there is no need to be so sarcastic and hostile.


    If you`re all so expert  Amunette, how come your parents and friends are not still in the trade and
    being wildly successful


    I never claimed to be an  expert, just responded to your dig at me not understanding the pub trade. As for my parents and their friends, they do still work in the trade, I said that in my last post.

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    Re: Things to put life into Los Gigantes
    « Reply #111 on: March 26, 2008 »
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  • I`ve just had another thought. There are also book fairs and antique markets that are very popular
    here and they`d all get people back into the area initially. Just remind people that LG is still on the map.
    I think that they should be dealing in the more upmarket version of things for the type of person you need to attract.

    Hi Patsy - welcome to the board......

    When you say "here" I presume you mean LG?

    With much respect, I can't see the connection between the odd book fair and antique market (and actually I'd love to know exactly where and how often these take place) and getting some life back into the old girl!

    There are around 2,500 adults on the entire electoral role in the whole of Santiago del Teide county - I guess that probably puts the resident population of Los Gigs somewhere between 500 and 1,000.  OK, before I get slated I do appreciate that there are some who have not registered to vote, but I believe that if you own here and are properly registered then you go onto the electoral role automatically.

    Anyway, my point really is that even of one assumes there are, say, 1,000 ish adult residents (500 couples), there is only so much they can be expected to support and spend locally.  Many are reliant on UK pensions to live here, and we all know that, since these are paid out in Sterling, their real value has diminished in the last year by some 15 odd%.

    You'll only really get life back into the village by encouraging tourists to visit, not those living here doing more.  (there are only so many Lions Club etc funtions one can attend!!)

    The discussion in this thread is aimed at two real things.  Firstly what those who still live here think can be changed to encourage visitors to come back, and secondly, having come up with potential solutions looking at how they can be implimented and once done how LG can promote itself to the international tourist industry, given there is not much chance of either the local council or Island government coming in to do this for us.

    To an extent we are, as has been said before, in charge of our own destiny by putting our heads together, coming up with some positive ideas and then approaching those who can help to move them forward.

    Incidentally, however one looks at the pub and restaurant business, and from whatever angle, it is the case that LG is more expensive than many other area of the island.  Whether it is sheer greed (which I don't personally believe) or necessity through high rents and other charges (more likely!) matters not - you do need more spending money in your pocket.

    One other interesting thing to watch of course, not yet mentioned, is that LG has always been regarded as a bit special and therefore visitors expect to pay a bit more - OK - fair enough.  The sad part of that of course is that if a potential visitor made a concious decision to visit LG, paying more for their accomodation and entertainment than elsewhere on the island, one would imagine they would also have been happy to fly here in a degree of style - ie BA.

    It remains to be seen, but it must be asked whether the EasyJet takeover of the somewhat pleasurable flying experience of BA will have a detrimental effect.  Personally, the thought of having your aircraft pointed to from the departure gate, and the free-for-all rugby scrum for a seat will not work in the interests of LG tourism.
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    amunette

    Re: Things to put life into Los Gigantes
    « Reply #112 on: March 26, 2008 »
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  • I think the trouble is, if people want up-market when they visit Tenerife, LG is not high on the list for that anymore. Think Abama, Bahia Del Duque, etc. They are fresh and new, and offer exactly what someone with those tastes want. LG has the LG hotel, not exactly in the same league, and what about up-market with families, nowhere for them. I think its time LG stopped chasing that market and became a little more realistic in what it has to offer in todays highly competitve holiday market.

    It could be a good middle ground resort, not as brash as PDLA, but it certainly needs some lowering of its standards of what type of tourists it deserves.

    borris

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    « Reply #113 on: March 26, 2008 »
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  • Well said, Mr Max. Flights with the right variety of quality and price, Easyjet great, but don't forget Monarch still a quality airline, its good to see the string to come back on to the subject in hand instead of kicking ourselves in the head, I have not heard any real complaints from visitors. Los Gigantes is beautiful with a fantastic climate; but it must have a good range of entertainment, bars and restaurants as well.

    One final thought on the food front, Dorris and I have, have been to many restaurants which we have not recommended, but there is know point in being negative, we need to highlight the positive aspects. And reward, quality with praise, it doesn?t help to highlight negatives.

    I feel that one of the biggest problems is that we do need to get that message out, which is not happening well at the moment, this site is one of the few that is getting the message out the local area.

    If you look closely at some of our tourism competitors, they have government backed advertising programs, with big budgets, Los Gigantes is one small holiday resort on a turistic island, in a group of islands, which are just one turistic zone of Spain, and consider this on the mainland igig (vat) is 16-19% which is government revenue, so why would the government put money in to this zone when the rate is only 5% (I?m not suggesting it should be put up), just think about it.

    I think it?s up to us to promote the area, and to encourage the local council to do so, trips to travel fairs are all very well, but editorial costs very little and is very high profile, bring out the editor/writers from any major paper and you get great publicity, the whole cost is met by the tourist board.

    Amunette I agree but need to add one thought Abama etc will attract a type of visitor to island and at between 500-3000 euros per night for many of the rooms for this type of accommodation, I don?t think that if these people even leave their hotels they are going to worry about a beer a 1? or 5? most of these tourists have never been our target market. But bring them on I say.

    amunette

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    « Reply #114 on: March 26, 2008 »
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  • Agree Borris, but as I said, there really isn't anywhere to put them in LG at the moment!! I think the accomodation issue is a huge one, and the ayuntamiento really need to move on it NOW, before it gets worse. I think LG hotel should be forced to revert to its former status, ie family friendly. Yes, price it so the "masses" cannot afford it if thats what you want, but open it to all as it was. Young people visiting now become parents visiting later. It really amazes me how it became an OAP's place anyway, with all the hills its hardly very easy to get about!!

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    Re: Things to put life into Los Gigantes
    « Reply #115 on: March 26, 2008 »
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  • Cool - now we are getting somewhere!

    It seems we are settling on LG being somewhere in the middle of Abama and Las Americas - good - I can live with that.

    Whilst I share the sentiments of requesting the LG Hotel go back to being family status, I can't see the owners doing it voluntarily - do any of the experts here know whether there is anything under Spanish/Canarian law that can be used?  If so, that's the first live bullet in our gun!

    At the level we have established - middle ground - then next what do we need to include or exclude in the area.  Do we need more HP's (one is already shut), or do we need, maybe not a full blown nightclub as has been suggested, but at least a couple of sophisticated, quality, well priced music bars (no more Karaoke please!).

    If we do, are there any property owners, with empty locals, no near neighbours and music licences on here who might want to give it a go?

    We know that, for the moment at least, although rating highly in the poll further up, more quality accomodation is high on people's wishes. the current economic climate has already determined that unlikely to happen - (and of course, where would it go if the money was available??!!)

    Boris - I disagree with you not naming and shaming those establishments you would not recommend. 

    We have a pretty comprehensive list of where you have been, and as you kinda say, (and we have all noticed) the list is all positive. 

    However, your feature on here falls completely flat if you don't at least list those places you have been to but wouldn't recommend?

    OK, you may not wish to go into too much detail as to why you personally wouldn't recomend somewhere, but I think we should be told! (and if the owners are interested in your list of issues they can always PM you for it.

    leo_london

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    « Reply #116 on: March 26, 2008 »
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  • borris..I feel that one of the biggest problems is that we do need to get that message out, which is not happening well at the moment, this site is one of the few that is getting the message out the local area

    That's it in a nutshell really, Los Gigantes does not promote itself nearly enough. I mention where we have been to friends, the first reaction is surprise that we would have chosen Tenerife..like it or not the reputation of the island leaves much to be desired. It conjures up images of time share touts, union jack shorts, partying till dawn and drunken lads and ladettes. I tell them..no, where we went was entirely different, Los Gigantes, beautiful place, stunning scenery etc etc..they look at me blankly..never heard of it.

    amunette..Your point about Abama and Bahia Del Duque is a fair one. However to me those purpose buit luxury resort hotels (one is a golf resort ?) are really different sides of the same coin with PDLA.
    One appeals to those who just want fun in the sun, the destination is immaterial. The other appeals to those who want luxury in the sun, again the destination is immaterial. The people who go there have no interest in Tenerife, The Canaries, Spain..its just another resort that can guarantee some sunshine.
    They could really be anywhere, apart from using a different currency and having the inconvenience of a few hours flight. I think Los Gigantes could appeal to a different kind of visitor, perhaps the phrase " up-market " was wrong..I cant think of an alternative right now..authentically Canarian would be absurd for a place populated largly by ex-pats, but I'm sure you get my drift.  ;)

    orange

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    « Reply #117 on: March 26, 2008 »
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  • What effect did the closure of the Royal Sun have? Has LG ever recovered?

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    Re: Things to put life into Los Gigantes
    « Reply #118 on: March 26, 2008 »
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  • devistating and no

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    Re: Things to put life into Los Gigantes
    « Reply #119 on: March 26, 2008 »
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  • This is just a sort of pipe dream. If the residents of Concanasa did not or have not paid up with their community fees and the block was demolished, with compensation paid of course. What an opportunity for a developer to build a new Centro commercial with upmarket shops and with luxury rental apartments above. That would take LG upmarket. However I did say it was a pipe dream.