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Offline janey

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Re: Things to put life into Los Gigantes
« Reply #60 on: March 20, 2008 »
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  • just you, falstaff...... ;D

    amunette

    Re: Things to put life into Los Gigantes
    « Reply #61 on: March 20, 2008 »
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  • "People on holiday don't want to go to 'the local' with no views etc etc.I'm not saying the marina is the place to be ......"

    Most of the locals out of LG have excellent views :) But it is not just about people on holiday is it? As for the marina, do you not think it a tad unfair that locals, Canarian and Brit alike, cannot sit and enjoy a normal priced drink and food in their own Village? Go to the sea front in Los Cristianos and you can eat very reasonably. Why? They are not Brit bars, thats why!!!!!!!! And they are always packed with tourists and locals alike, unlike the marina. People do not like being ripped off, and that is what is happening in LG at the moment.

    Another example is tourists coming down on the 325 Puerto de la Cruz bus. Things are a lot cheaper in the North, so how do you think it looks if they do a day trip to LG and end up paying through the nose for a snack? Do you think they will consider holidaying there next time, or think "wow nice view, shame about the prices"?

    leo_london

    Re: Things to put life into Los Gigantes
    « Reply #62 on: March 21, 2008 »
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  •  leo_london if we are going to compare let us do it like for like. Don't see many Gondolas , posh motor launches and cruise liners coming into Los Gig.
     


    I was not really making a comparison Edward, merely an observation. However, it would probably cost double the price for a burger and chips in Weston-Super-Mare compared with LG..but they do have donkey rides and a Punch and Judy show.  :)

    People do not like being ripped off, and that is what is happening in LG at the moment.

    Are people being ripped off ? I was over there only 5 months ago and never had that impression.
    You are the locals so I'm not going to argue. I thought LG was a little more expensive than the Spanish mainland resorts and some of those on the Balearics...but that is to be expected, you are more isolated and thus have to pay more for shipping costs etc ?


    amunette

    Re: Things to put life into Los Gigantes
    « Reply #63 on: March 21, 2008 »
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  • "You are the locals so I'm not going to argue. I thought LG was a little more expensive than the Spanish mainland resorts and some of those on the Balearics...but that is to be expected, you are more isolated and thus have to pay more for shipping costs etc ?"

    That is the whole point. Many local Brit bars buy from the same suppliers/outlets as Canarian bars but difference in prices is unreal. Your whole argument on cost is based on the assumption that all local bars sell Brit products via UK. Not true. KINGS food who supply many bars, if not all,  cannot be purchased in Britain at the prices they supply Tenerife. Even from ICELAND the costs are really low compared to the mark-up in LG

    tlc

    Re: Things to put life into Los Gigantes
    « Reply #64 on: March 21, 2008 »
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  • Amunette on earlier postings I have agreed with most of your points BUT I do not feel people are being 'ripped' off. The overheads etc etc etc are much higher in LG than the local places out of the village. I'm not going to get into a debate about prices etc - people are not stupid, they come with their spending money and I don't think they are bothered about paying the odd euro more. When I go on holiday I have  my 'spends' which I have saved and I like to spend every 'bean' and not worry if I'm paying more in one place than another.
    Are you telling me when you go on holiday you hunt out the local places so you ensure you are not being 'ripped' off. You mention Los Christianos and the prices, it's a totally diferent type of resort, how can you compare. Yesterday I had lunch on the marina, 2 baguettes, 2 coffees for 11 euros - I didn't feel I was ripped off, yes I know if I went to somewhere in Santiago my bill would have been about 8 euros  BUT my stroll there wouldn't have been the same as my stroll into LG and the magnificent views en route !!  We will probably agree to disaggree on this one.

    leo_london

    Re: Things to put life into Los Gigantes
    « Reply #65 on: March 21, 2008 »
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  • Your whole argument on cost is based on the assumption that all local bars sell Brit products via UK.

    No, I realise that the majority of products do not come via the UK. Probably the local shops would sell more British products to satisfy the demands of the ex-pat population but certainly not bars and restaurants. My point was that many products would still have to be shipped to the wholesalers from mainland Spain ?..surely the Canaries as a whole are unable to produce enough local drinks and foodsuffs to satisfy demand ? So..my comparison was with resorts on mainland Spain and the Balearics.
    I was just trying to make the point that most visitors would not feel that they are being " ripped off ".
    I will leave the argument about the different prices between various establishments to you locals. I guess there are many things to take into consideration ( as tlc pointed out )..rents, position, ambience etc etc... its the same the world over.

    amunette

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    « Reply #66 on: March 21, 2008 »
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  • TLC, I can tell you for a fact that the rent on many bars that charge ridiculous prices is not much different to those locals I mentioned. I know others in LG do have issues with very high rents though. As for holiday spends, as a mum of 3, the odd euro here and there soon adds up!!! I really want the most I can for my money, so always take packed lunches to things like Loro Parque etc. and my partner totally agrees with me on this. He really gets angry when we go to LG as we cannot sit and have a drink at a reasonable price. We tend to stick to Happy Hour places, but even then I drink beer as I refuse to pay the price they ask for wine, which never seems to be included in the Happy Hour :'(  BTW, happy hour prices in LG is normal price elsewhere!!

    2 baguettes bocadillos, 2 coffees for 11e is expensive. Sorry, but to me it is. Thats UK prices.  I do not think LC is a very different resort, it is very much along the lines of LG, just bigger. I think the main difference is, Canarians have retained control of the bars and cafes along the seafront walk rather than Brits, so this is why prices are lower. In LG, look at the prices for sandwiches/snacks in Paraiso Del Sol restaurant which is Canarian. Very different to the Brit bars that are  30 seconds stroll either side of it.

    As you say, we do disagree on this one!! :D

    leo_london

    Re: Things to put life into Los Gigantes
    « Reply #67 on: March 21, 2008 »
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  • 2 baguettes or bocadillos, 2 coffees for 11e is expensive. Sorry, but to me it is. Thats UK prices. 

    About ?8.50..and the ? is weak against the Euro at present. Still doesn't sound expensive to me. UK prices ?... try Starbucks or one of the other ****** American chains that are so popular !

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    Re: Things to put life into Los Gigantes
    « Reply #68 on: March 21, 2008 »
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  • At last
    Some good debate on this message board and all started by Rupert on one of his "freebies"
    It?s good to have such a variety of opinions but I suspect that the answer lies somewhere in the middle. 
    Those of us who live here don?t want to see it turned into a "Veronicas as in PDLA" but neither do we want it remaining as it is fast becoming, a retirement home for the bewildered,  as, apparantly, Juan Tanemera would like it to be.  I suspect he is one of the "crows" or should that be "swallows" who, because they own a property here, think they own the place.
    Los Gigantes is a HOLIDAY resort for goodness sake
    Leo London has made some good points but I really believe the village is "tired" and without quite a considerable investment will continue to suffer.  As for prices they are much the same as in any tourist resort and could not be considered expensive.  Of course us locals who "live" here tend to know where the best value for money is, and to this end I personally wouldn?t dream of eating regularly in a "brit" cafe as there are loads of Canarian run extablishments, with good service, good food, low prices and ambience

    tlc

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    « Reply #69 on: March 21, 2008 »
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  • I will say one final thing on this, the majority of the Canarians that have businesses have the FREEHOLD so can charge cheaper, most Brits only have the LEASEHOLD, that's one of the reasons they can be cheaper. The debate will go on and on and our views just differ, as Leo has stated as we do not find the prices high - they are reasonable HOLIDAY PRICES. In the UK its absolutely no different, the cofffee shops and chains charge a fortune for baguettes/bocadillos/sarnies/baps (whatever you want to call them) BUT PEOPLE PAY !!! There are many locals that do visit the frontline businesses and pay the prices quite happily. Infact one of the dearest places I know in lower Santaigo (Canarian owned) charges over 3 euros for a pint and a lot of people who live here go there, I will not say the name as they are friends of mine.

    amunette

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    « Reply #70 on: March 21, 2008 »
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  • there are loads of Canarian run extablishments, with good service, good food, low prices and ambience

    But not down the marina!!

    as Leo has stated as we do not find the prices high - they are reasonable HOLIDAY PRICES.

    No they are not, visit other resorts and you will see the difference. Also what may be deemed reasonable to people without a young family is very different to those with said family ;D

    I do agree that the main problem lies with the rents charged by some landlords. They should be made to keep it reasonable so people can make a decent living without charging the Earth. BTW, if its so good business-wise in LG at the mo, why are most bars up for sale?!! Because they are not making any money, thats why.

    Offline Mr Max

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    Re: Things to put life into Los Gigantes
    « Reply #71 on: March 21, 2008 »
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  • Ho hum - this old chestnut again.....

    My views (as an ex-pat resident)

    LG is no longer a tourist resort - there's not enough accomodation to call it that any longer.  Sad yes, but until/unless the world financial climate changes, that's the way it will remain.

    LG is now essentially a large housing estate at the end of the coast road with a rapidly aging population who will never accept anything other than a quiet night.

    No Canarians live in LG, it was built by the Brits and Germans for the Brits and Germans.  If you want to come to Tenerife to sample Canarian lifestyle, hear Spanish spoken and enjoy watching the world go by at a bar or cafe without paying extortionate prices, LG is probably the last place you should visit.

    Of those who live here or nearby, the younger element (by that I mean those who need to work to survive) are leaving the area in doves because there is no work.  Many are moving South, almost as many are moving back to their homeland(s).

    The Marina is privately owned, nothing will change the condition of the place unless or until the owners decide to spend money and given the number of formerly popular venues there which are now closed, that is a long way off.

    Elsewhere, restaurants and bars are closing or cutting back everywhere - as above, there are so few tourists these days there is so little money circulating.

    This weekend the place is heaving, but with Spanish people from the North and the Peninsular - they do not eat out - especially in the predominantly Brit owned bars and restaurants.  The Supermarket this morning was a scene of devistation with beers and bread etc being removed from the shelves almost as quickly as they could be filled - it was the Spanish and they were, as they do at Easter, spending their day on the beach.

    Tour companies do not promote the area as there is nowhere for them to promote (we are talking LG and not Puerto Santiago btw).  The local authority can do very little to help since a) they are the smallest municipality on the island - less than 3,000 people on the electoral role - and as ever continually miss out on budget hand-outs from central government.

    How this is fixed is another issue altogether, and I wholeheartidly support those who suggest that the locals roll up their sleves and at least make their bars and restaurants attractive for the few that still visit.

    I'm sure there is more.......

    Offline Mr Max

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    Re: Things to put life into Los Gigantes
    « Reply #72 on: March 21, 2008 »
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  • ..... to continue my thoughts....

    Those of us still here and who care are, I feel, somewhat in charge of our own destiny.  The tourist board is not that interested in this end of the island, and the local council have no money to help much either.

    In this world of the internet, it is sites like this which could play a major part in helping to promote the area to the world outside.

    Sadly, though, until this board can put so called "commercial" issues to one side, and allow free and open discussion and where appropriate the promotion of good value quality venues, and for that matter critisism of the opposite, without web links, telephone numbers and other contact details being removed we seem to have another obstacle in the way.


    Offline maps

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    Re: Things to put life into Los Gigantes
    « Reply #73 on: March 21, 2008 »
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  • NICE ONE MR MAX
    EVERYDAY WHEN I WAKE UP, I THANK THE LORD I'M WELSH

    leo_london

    Re: Things to put life into Los Gigantes
    « Reply #74 on: March 21, 2008 »
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  • BTW, if its so good business-wise in LG at the mo, why are most bars up for sale?!! Because they are not making any money, thats why.

    They are not making money despite the high prices you consider they charge..sounds like a contradiction. If they reduced prices would they do more business to compensate ?..perhaps, but its doubtful.
    It must be long hard hours running a bar, 16+ hours a day for those who cannot afford, or find it uneconomical to employ enough staff. I guess at the end of the day the dream of a bar in LG just turns sour, it becomes 7 long days a week of work with little financial reward and no chance to enjoy the sunshine. Perhaps there are just too many bars/restaurants ?..attract more visitors or close some of the establishments. The fittest ( most popular ) will survive, thats the way of the commercial world.
    Anyway, the thread is about revitalising Los Gigantes so we shouldnt be negative. There are enough people here with ideas who appear to care about the future of LG, get in touch with those who can put some of those ideas into practice.
    Good luck to you all...and have a happy Easter !  ;D

    leo_london

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    « Reply #75 on: March 21, 2008 »
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  • Max..couple of excellent posts. The most informative and honest I have seen about the situation for those of us who can only try to assess the facts from afar.

    Offline maps

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    Re: Things to put life into Los Gigantes
    « Reply #76 on: March 21, 2008 »
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  • I can honesty say in all the time we have been coming to los gigantes  I never felt ripped off (other than paying 2euros for a newspaper) by the price?s  in the bar?s or  restaurants. If  I did ! I would never had gone back time after time

    amunette
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    Offline maps

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    Re: Things to put life into Los Gigantes
    « Reply #77 on: March 21, 2008 »
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  • At lease this topic has put a BIT OF LIFE back into this board

    HAPPY EASTER ALL
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    amunette

    Re: Things to put life into Los Gigantes
    « Reply #78 on: March 21, 2008 »
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  • They are not making money despite the high prices you consider they charge..sounds like a contradiction.

    Exactly!! The less they take, the higher the prices to make up the shortfall, but that equals less people as they will not pay the price, so prices go higher.........catch 22!!! Canarians are totally baffled by the whole logic :D



    Like I said in a earlier post if you?re a holiday maker go somewhere else and if you?re a resident then you have nothing to complain about. I?d  swap with you any day

    I think that is why its dead, they are going elsewhere!!! And non-RichBrit residents do have cause to complain!!
    « Last Edit: March 21, 2008 by amunette »

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    Re: Things to put life into Los Gigantes
    « Reply #79 on: March 21, 2008 »
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  • Are drinks really that pricey when you consider your getting doubles 
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    Offline Mr Max

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  • Yes - to residents and swallows

    There is a particularly well known brand of wine which always finds its way onto restaurant menu's at about 15e a bottle.  Now, to visitors 15e a bottle with dinner may seem reasonable, but if you live in these parts and see the same bottle on the shelf in Transito for less than 5e you can't help but wonder why it is considered expensive.

    OK it is a well known fact that wine is always marked up a fair bit in restaurants and it is expected, but ......... !!

    You can go out of LG to many places even just up the hill, and have their house wines for 4 or 5e a litre - that's living the lifestyle!

    Moreover, the way things work here is that each time a Trespaso changes hands the landlords take the opportunity to put a 10 to 20% rent increase on to the incoming operator - some of the restaurant rents are getting on for 3,000e a month now, you cannot and will not make money even with the best intentions - hence the number up for sale, closing or moving out of LG.

    The Brits are seen by landlords as having money - many do when they first arrive and open their dream bar, but it is not difficult to lose what you came with and much more in a couple of years.

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    Re: Things to put life into Los Gigantes
    « Reply #81 on: March 21, 2008 »
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  • the landlords need to learn Re wine in restauraunts in uk a bottle of good wine will cost ?20 and its ?7 in an off licence!! :)Re marina yes something needs to be done the ptential could be great and it would be great to have a few good tapas bars in lg to encourage the locals

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    Re: Things to put life into Los Gigantes
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  • Just to be slightly controversial if the holiday makers are happy to pay the prices then maybe a two tier system of pricing with a discounted price for locals may be an answer. Whoops ! 

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    Re: Things to put life into Los Gigantes
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  • ..... to continue my thoughts....

    Those of us still here and who care are, I feel, somewhat in charge of our own destiny.  The tourist board is not that interested in this end of the island, and the local council have no money to help much either.

    In this world of the internet, it is sites like this which could play a major part in helping to promote the area to the world outside.

    Sadly, though, until this board can put so called "commercial" issues to one side, and allow free and open discussion and where appropriate the promotion of good value quality venues, and for that matter critisism of the opposite, without web links, telephone numbers and other contact details being removed we seem to have another obstacle in the way.



    As a fellow "local" I agree with your posts on this subject, particularly the latter paragraph, but be warned, :( "GOD" might be watching you ..... see his posting on the topic headed "CURIOUS"  :(

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    Re: Things to put life into Los Gigantes
    « Reply #84 on: March 21, 2008 »
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  • I am somewhat dismayed that you think we do not do enough to promote this area. To me it shows how little you know. The losgigantes.com team have worked constantly for a number of years promoting the area in many different ways, all the good things in this area, and will continue to do so in future. This string has been very productive.

    If amibovered would like to work for nothing then that?s fine, but back in the real world, the rent, social security, tax etc all has to be paid.

    We try to keep this site fair and as even handed as possible, but until everyone comes clean on who they really are, and what their angle is, I suppose we will have to put up with comments like this.

    Falstaff

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    « Reply #85 on: March 21, 2008 »
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  • As a great lady once said, ?there?s no such thing as a free lunch?.

    This website, which we all enjoy, incurs considerable administrative costs which have to be covered and the owners are entitled to manage the website to give a return on their investment. Many of us spend a lot of enjoyable time here at no cost to us because its all covered by the website. If it doesn?t make a satisfactory return it will shut down and we can all get our pleasure from watching a blank screen. OK, the users, including me, might  have minor disagreements with policy from time to time but let's show some respect. No one forces us to come on here and if anyone thinks it?s that bad, they know how to log off permanently.

    There is a website which should provide the sort of public service which you are looking for. It's the Council's website

    http://www.steide.com/ayto/ayuntamiento/ayuntamiento.html

    but it's  Spanish only and it's ABYSMAL  and it won't even translate using Google Language Tools. You guys should collar your good friend Councillor Mckenna and ask him to make it multi-lingual so that it provides  a decent public service need to British residents, after all you?re paying for it and Los Gigantes dot com is free.

    amunette

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    « Reply #86 on: March 21, 2008 »
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  • Must admit I have no issues with this site as regards to adverts etc. I think it is very user-friendly, well layed out and easy to navigate, and the adverts are there if you want them, not popping up in your face every 2 seconds!! Well done to those in charge ;D

    magsnmike

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    « Reply #87 on: March 21, 2008 »
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  • I agree that Los Gigantes is not the place it used to be when we first visited in 1992 and it was certainly a lot livelier than it is now, but I really have no idea what the answers to liven it up may be.   Just one thought about the request for a night club.  Where Whispers used to be, the building is still there, so maybe some enterprising businessman/woman could look into that and open as a sound proofed night club that would keep everyone happy.

    Regarding the prices that have been discussed. I do not grasp the idea that everybody wants everything on the cheap!!!   I want good service and value for money and to be honest in all of our visits out there we have no complaints. Some bars/retaurants have not met expectations, so it just means we would not go back there again.  A further note, a night out in Manchester would be double any meal in LG/PS or Arena.

    I agree LG is not marketed in the UK. as I still have to explain to people exactly where it is when talking about where I am going on holiday, but in a way, I am pleased with that, as I do not want another Las Americas!!! 

    I have said it before and I will say again, I love visiting the place and I have it circled on my calendar with great anticipation, even with other holidays elsewhere in between, cannot wait to be back.

    Happy Easter to you all  8)
     


    amunette

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    « Reply #88 on: March 22, 2008 »
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  • Regarding the prices that have been discussed. I do not grasp the idea that everybody wants everything on the cheap!!!   I want good service and value for money

    Its not wanting stuff on the cheap, just at a reasonable mark up. :) When you work in bars and know what stuff is bought in for, believe me you would also feel ripped off!!

    orange

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    « Reply #89 on: March 22, 2008 »
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  • I agree with amunette over all this. To get the right formula is not simple for some.
    But word of mouth and reputation for value must mean something. It certainly does to many.