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poolepirate

Re: Norovirus?
« Reply #60 on: March 27, 2011 »
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  • I have never been inside the Los Gigantes Hotel, I am far too young, but do get the bug around Christmas/New Year every year. I am very particular about personal hygiene in view of the track record of my susceptibility. As  I have posted before in this forum, this virus is not confined to Los G, many from Los C and PDLA suffered at around the same time this New Year.

    Please do not blame the hotel and do not blame the village it is one of those things.

    Think of the positives. There are many. I am happy, and quite proud, to own a property here.

    Offline Falstaff

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    Re: Norovirus?
    « Reply #61 on: March 28, 2011 »
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  • The period just before and just after Easter is usually a quiet time at the hotel. However, this year the hotel is fully booked  with tourists who have been diverted by Thomson  from Egypt and Tunisia etc.   A full hotel and a virulent disease is a very unfortunate combination.

    The quote from my local health authority given previously:- 

      "the hospital was normally able to resolve a norovirus outbreak in about 48 hours but due to wards being affecting at different times, it was expected to take four to five days to ensure the virus was "out of the system,"

    This would seem to indicate that if the hotel closed down briefly for a deep clean, (perhaps only for 2 days) then the problem could be eradicated. Thomson have missed an opportunity and prioritised profit but this may come back to haunt them over the coming months when mainland resorts come on stream leaving the Los Gigantes Hotel with a terrible reputation, many empty rooms and very expensive litigation costs.

    I for one will not return to the hotel until the problem is resolved.

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    Re: Norovirus?
    « Reply #62 on: March 29, 2011 »
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  • It certainly seems to be quite a specific problem with the LG hotel only.  A quick flick through TA this morning shows that in the most recent 5 pages of reviews on the Barcelo there is only one mention of a tummy virus (loads about the noise from the local bars mind!), yet on the other hand, there is only one post on the most recent 5 pages about the LG hotel which doesn't mention Norovirus.

    One review I read recently suggests that the holiday reps hand out "How to avoid Norovirus" leaflets to visitors on the coach from the airport!

    If it isn't being caused by sea spray etc., then it must be endemic in the building itself and only a brief closure and deep clean it likely to eradicate the problem.

    Rather than damaging the reputation of the village itself, it does seem that the tour operator is the target of most of the complaints and many have gone as far as involving ABTA.  The greatest shame is likely to be Thomsons pulling out if out breaks continue for much longer.

    All the above said, I still stand by earlier comments that the "authorities" should publically publish whatever data they do have about the local water conditions, if nothing else to absolve themselves of finger pointing and blame when the inevitable eventually happens.  I suspect it is too late for now though since the neutral period prior to the elections has now begun.  Let's hope Thompsons dont pull out before the end of May.


    orange

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    « Reply #63 on: March 29, 2011 »
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  • If Thomson did pull out -there would be a decrease in Holiday Visitors, as many people rely on being part of a package.

    What sort of client?le they will then attract and how is open to speculation.

    It would help the area if Hotel Los Gigantes changed its name. No not Hotel Norovirus...

    magsnmike

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    « Reply #64 on: March 30, 2011 »
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  • Thomson are pricing themselves out of the market nowadays as all holidays can be booked through much cheaper providers, as a package or independently.

    Independently booking flights, hotels and taxis works out loads cheaper than Thomson can offer and still staying in the Los Gigantes hotel or Barcelo, or all of the other accommodations in the area.

    We stayed at the El Sombrero in March without a tour operator and we saved overall about ?200.00.

    I am not sure if the older clientele at the Los Gigs hotel would even consider this, but I am sure if they knew the savings they could make, they would think about it. It can be a bit of a palaver sorting it out, but well worth the effort financially.

    Re the virus, we have never been in the hotel but have suffered with it a couple of times, so I am not convinced that the problem lies within the hotel!!!

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    Re: Norovirus?
    « Reply #65 on: March 30, 2011 »
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  • Rethomson and hotel los giogantes in the winter i believe theyhave exclusivity so  people that go there always can only do so via them inb summer it may be different. re virus it is everywhere in the winter look at reports for tunisia portugel etc.Problem not helped by cruise ships etc have been coming here since 1977 many times a year and have had bug a couple of times wheras have had more problems in uk!!

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    Re: Norovirus?
    « Reply #66 on: March 30, 2011 »
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  • Problem widespread in UK with hospital wards shut

    gigs

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    « Reply #67 on: March 30, 2011 »
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  • This debate seems to go on and on because some people think that because norovirus happens elsewhere, it cannot be a problem with the LG Hotel.

    OF COURSE it happens elsewhere, especially cruiseships and hospitals, but it is normally a transient problem cured by a deep clean etc.  It also happens  in LG village, but probably little more than elsewhere.

    I know of nowhere else except the LG Hotel where it is a continuous problem, month after month, year after year.and many many times worse than other hotels in the area.  The cause may or may not be seashore spray localised around the hotel(a small leak in the hotel?s own system??) but certainly seems an endemic problem in or around the hotel itself.

    The reputation of the Los Gigantes area  will not be saved by denying a clear and egregious problem, reported by hundreds of people and plastered all over the internet.  It will only be saved by  sorting the problem out!!!

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    Re: Norovirus?
    « Reply #68 on: March 30, 2011 »
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    The reputation of the Los Gigantes area  will not be saved by denying a clear and egregious problem, reported by hundreds of people and plastered all over the internet.  It will only be saved by  sorting the problem out!!!
    Well said!
    We and others contracted this virus in Feb and were Not staying at the Gigantes Hotel, there may be an underlying problem at the Hotel, however It seems they are receiving all the blame, possibly wrongly?
    There have been some very sensible replies on here regarding the origins of the virus, plus it is in everyones interest to do so. I would not like to see a resort suffer further in these times of reduced bookings and less tourist visitors. Maybe as others have sugested, the council should do a little more to allay fears visitors may have. Then hopefully things can return to normal.

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    Re: Norovirus?
    « Reply #69 on: March 30, 2011 »
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  • The reputation of the Los Gigantes area  will not be saved by denying a clear and egregious problem, reported by hundreds of people and plastered all over the internet.  It will only be saved by  sorting the problem out!!!

    I totally agree with your last comment, Gigs.  Unfortunately there are influential forces at large which are in denial, so trying to get anything done about sorting out the problem is a virtually impossible task.

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    Re: Norovirus?
    « Reply #70 on: March 31, 2011 »
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  • Might this not be down to the fact that the hotel LG is a good money earner for the tour operator and in this climate they need all the bums on beds they can get. To suggest they close the hotel for a short time and have it blitzed is a non starter probably, but I agree and think that authorities need to take a stand now because it has gone on far too long. Surely they have clout with the tour operators if they think that the property is involved with this.

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    Re: Norovirus?
    « Reply #71 on: March 31, 2011 »
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  • The Councillor  responsible both for Tourism and Public Health is Councillor McKenna.  He has made no reassuring public statements and issued no press release on the subject either from a Public Health perspective or a Tourism perspective. 

    We can all also recall a very very long period of Council silence over the issue of repairing the cliff above the beach.  Many of us were searching the internet for information appearing in Spanish newspapers and translating the news into English.  Councillor McKenna remained silent throughout.

    When  he asked people to vote for him at the last election he said that he would provide a much needed communications  link between the Council and British Residents.  He will shortly be asking for votes again at the forthcoming election. One wonders what his unique selling point will be to British voters this time -surely not his ability to communicate.

    Councillor Mc kenna has many qualities but clearly, communication isn?t one of them.

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    Re: Norovirus?
    « Reply #72 on: March 31, 2011 »
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  • It's education time ...............

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    Councillor Mc kenna has many qualities but clearly, communication isn?t one of them.


    please list them in alphabetical order.  :-\\
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    Re: Norovirus?
    « Reply #73 on: March 31, 2011 »
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  • Councillor Mc kenna is available in the council office in Playa Arena to answer any questions.  You can arrange an appointment with him

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    Re: Norovirus?
    « Reply #74 on: April 01, 2011 »
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  • Lisgigantes kid, Falstaf and Poolpirate your Messages have been deleted by the demand of many people.

    ENOUGH.  The same comments are going round and round. I am receiving too many complaints.

    Comments and accusation of this kind need to go through the proper channels.

    You need to make an appointment to discuss this subject in person with someone from the council. They will not answer on a public forum to anonymous people. You can make an appointment at the council offices in Playa Arena
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    Re: Norovirus?
    « Reply #75 on: April 01, 2011 »
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  • We have gone through all this before.   

    The councillor was answering questions "Questions for the council"   a topic on this forum about 2 years ago.

    He was not prepared to take criticism from anonymous people.  He agreed that he would only answer questions from people who gave their correct name and address.  Suddenly the thread went dead.


     

    orange

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    « Reply #76 on: April 02, 2011 »
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  • The Councillor actually knows the questions and concerns and must take criticism if the only reason
    they are not answered is because he does have names and addresses.












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    Re: Norovirus?
    « Reply #77 on: April 02, 2011 »
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  • Lisgigantes kid, Falstaf and Poolpirate your Messages have been deleted by the demand of many people.

    ENOUGH.  The same comments are going round and round. I am receiving too many complaints.

    Comments and accusation of this kind need to go through the proper channels.

    You need to make an appointment to discuss this subject in person with someone from the council. They will not answer on a public forum to anonymous people. You can make an appointment at the council offices in Playa Arena
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    I cannot comment on the postings of either Falstaf or Poolpirate, cos you have deleted their input.  I can however clearly recall my posting and wonder why on earth you or anyone else found it to be subject to in house censorship, what rule has been breached ? - I was merely making an observation.  I would like to know exactly who these "many people" are !!, as I doubt that to be true

    If that wasn't bad enough what really did "get up my nose" was the fact that you have me logged as the "LISGIGANTES KID" - I never have been or never will be any such person  :-*

    I can therefore only assume that the Lisgiganteskids post should been deleted and mine re-instated  ::)
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    orange

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    « Reply #78 on: April 02, 2011 »
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  • The missing and changed letters are o and f in those names.

    A Freudian typing slip?

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    Re: Norovirus?
    « Reply #79 on: April 02, 2011 »
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  • The only criticism I and others have made of  Councillor McKenna  is  about his silence on matters of public interest for which  he is the designated Council spokesman.

    My last message was not abusive or offensive in any way. None of the messages deleted alleged any impropriety on the part of Mr McKenna in his private or public life. My message was  critical of Mr McKenna in his role as Councillor using reasoned argument.  I called into question his competence in his political role as the Council?s designated spokesman for Tourism and Health because of his prolonged silence.

    Councillor McKenna   has many friends and no doubt they (and maybe Councillor  Mckenna himself)  have made representations to you which has motivated your decision to delete the messages.  I think this is a serious error of judgement on your part because in the period up to the forthcoming election it leaves an   impression  that  criticism of Councillor Mckenna on the message boards will be deleted,  not for use of intemperate language or for being personal or abusive or indecent but simply for political reasons. In other words, political bias.

    The bless curse mechanism which you have introduced clearly  indicates no adverse negative reaction to my messages. On the contrary, using this indicator there is  growing support  for what I and others have said rather than the backlash which you indicate.

    For the avoidance of doubt, will criticism of Councillor Mckenna be allowed  under the section headed ?Local Politics? or is this section  only to be used for  criticism directed against Councillor McKenna?s political opponents.

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    Re: Norovirus?
    « Reply #80 on: April 02, 2011 »
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  • In fairness to Cnclr McKenna, he was available for open discussion on his party's current political position, plans for the future, etc., at the open meeting held at the old police station recently.  This was advertised on this forum and on the day itself by speaker-van.  I attended this and asked several questions and a summary of the discussion was published on this forum by Dolly Diver.  Further, Cnclr McKenna is available to speak to on a one-to-one basis at his office in Playa Arena, as detailed elsewhere on this forum.  This is as much, if not more, than you would expect from your UK MP.  He has also responded personally to me by e-mail via this forum because I provided him with my true identity.  I fully endorse his arguement that it is unfair to expect him to respond to anonymous questions, particularly as these may be of an abusive nature.  

    The reason he has been unable to do much since elected is apparently the weak position that the current socialist party maintains in national politics.  I understand that Cnclr McKenna is hopeful that this situation will change, provided that the conservative party (to which he has "crossed the floor") wins the forthcoming elections, both here and on the Peninsula.
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    orange

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    « Reply #81 on: April 02, 2011 »
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  • UK MP's engage far more now then they ever have - Websites, Blogs, Tweets, facebook etc - that they use to tell the masses their views on matters that they know are affecting them as a community.

    The questions and concerns are not anonymous. How does it really matter who asks them?


    poolepirate

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    « Reply #82 on: April 02, 2011 »
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  • I take great offence in my post being deleted. It was very mild and nothing in was offensive. After his election I  visited the Councillor's office twice during the surgery hours and he hasn't been there. I have given up. To be told to make an appointment is now a step too far. He plainly is not up to the job of representing us.

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    Re: Norovirus?
    « Reply #83 on: April 02, 2011 »
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  • UK MP's engage far more now then they ever have - Websites, Blogs, Tweets, facebook etc - that they use to tell the masses their views on matters that they know are affecting them as a community.

    The questions and concerns are not anonymous. How does it really matter who asks them?



    Perhaps comparing a local councilor with an MP was inappropriate.  It would be more appropriate to compare Steve McKenna's position here with that of a UK local county councilor, in which case his availability for discussion compares well.  

    What's the problem with making an appointment to see Steve McKenna, Poolepirate?  It allows him to make best use of his time.  Surely there is not a lot of point sitting in an office in case someone might decide to drop in.

    By the way, to get back on the subject, I still stand by my comments in reply #44.
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    « Reply #84 on: April 02, 2011 »
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  • Dolly I did suggest some time ago that this string should be locked. It does no good to the area to have people constantly bleating about sickness and squits. As someone who has lived here for 11 years the only time this malady is mentioned is on this ruddy website. Get a life !

    ghod

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    « Reply #85 on: April 03, 2011 »
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  • Hi poolprat if you realy wanted to talk to steve you would make an appointment but instead you come on to a forum and and hide behind a false name and make your little snide comments ( get a life poolprat )

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    Re: Norovirus?
    « Reply #86 on: April 03, 2011 »
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  • Ghod, I take it you will be voting Conservative this time.

    Who would ever have thought it-  Ghod is a Tory. On the same side as  Margaret Thatcher ! 

    And after everything you have said. 

    I have been asked to forward a copy of this photo to you.


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    Re: Norovirus?
    « Reply #87 on: April 03, 2011 »
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  • Dollys comments concerning the sewage pipe pumping out sewage in the sea are highlighted below....I'm not saying that this has anything to do with the virus the subject of this thread.

    The only one I know about is the one off Puerto Santiago.  It's about 300 metres off Mar Blanco/Barcello Santiago.  In around 25 metres depth.  The pipe was laid around 16years ago

    Well - 300 metres is not far enough in by thoughts, given a rough sea and a strong incoming tide, the contents of the pipe may well wish to revisit the resort from whence it came.  Given the pipe has been in place for some 16 odd years are we happy its still fit for porpoise

    I'll wait to see if Dolly deletes this !!  ;) :-* ;)
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    poolepirate

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    « Reply #88 on: April 03, 2011 »
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  • Getting back on topic, the following article was found in yesterday's Daily Telegraph and is very interesting.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/travelnews/8420894/Tour-operator-criticised-over-hotel-illness.html

    Hopefully the outcome will result in the hotel having to be demolished!




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    « Reply #89 on: April 03, 2011 »
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  • Firstly falsy i dont vote for anyone here or in the uk ,there all as bad as each other as for the poolprat i see that he thinks the hotel should be demolished . All i can say is once a prat always a prat & I am stupid of to some other forum & ruin there village reputation . With people like you its a wonder anyone comes here on holiday.