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« Reply #30 on: March 21, 2011 »
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    fed up of rain

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    « Reply #31 on: March 21, 2011 »
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  • Hey then nock off the sarky gene  and keep this lovely little place going were are all on the same pitch?

    Chrissi

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    « Reply #32 on: March 22, 2011 »
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  • We have just had a great and wonderful weekend of carnival for which a lot of residents have worked very hard, all these negative comments about Los Gigantes and THE BUG are not helpful. This whole subject is so depressing and can anyone tell me why in 10 years of living here, eating out and entertaining I nor any of my friends(residents) have never had this bug. Yes of course occasionally some of us have an upset stomach, this is due to perhaps too much socialising, e.g alcohol, over indulgence of food we wouldnt normally eat etc., why does it seem only tourist/holidaymakers are prone to what you all describe as a terrible bug. ???

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    Re: Norovirus?
    « Reply #33 on: March 22, 2011 »
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  • I think you are probably right.  That said, the report on the meeting was not exactly unbiased - the previous report which was deleted was somewhat more down to earth and realistic.



    Mr Max, assuming that we are both referring to the same report, I actually wrote the original version at Dolly Diver's request.  However, I did not intend my personal views to be included at that stage on the forum, so Dolly kindly allowed me to edit these out and then she  published the existing version report on the forum.  The two reports were actually identical with only my personal views deleted from the current version. The idea was to try to attract comments from the forum on all of the issues discussed at the meeting.  The current "Noravirus" thread certainly seems to be pursuing the issue of sewage disposal into the sea quite effectively.  However the Council is adamant that the problem does not exist.  So no help there.  Also, local businesses seem reluctant to get involved in case raising the profile of the problem puts potential visitors off.  So, again, no help there.  My own view is that if visitors suffer significant illness regularly when they visit Los G (i.e. more than the normal "holiday tum") then they will stop coming and Los G will suffer.  I am at a loss to know what can be done to pursue this.  Ideally, the Council need to come clean and provide all the facts.  Then if it can be shown that the water quality offshore is not up to scratch (and is therefore a potential source of airborne viruses) then maybe something can be done to address this.

    I was indeed, but bottom line is that I believe we are singing from the same hymn sheet, as are many others, which is that there is no doubt that there is some form of problem which is undoubtedly centred on the Hotel - if Trip Advisor is to be believed (and there is no reason not to).

    The problem therefore either stems from inside the hotel itself or is the result of its position in relation to the sea and the outflows.

    If the results of the tests show the outflows are within whatever regulations apply and the water is not technically contaminated to such an extent as to be the cause of the problems, then it would stand to reason that either the condition of the hotel, or the practices within it are at fault.

    Either way, those who have the information upon which judgement could be made appear rather reluctant to impart what they know and their silence does seem to be viewed as somewhat suspicious.

    Either fix the sewers or fix the hotel appear to be the options

     

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    Re: Norovirus?
    « Reply #34 on: March 22, 2011 »
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  • We have just had a great and wonderful weekend of carnival for which a lot of residents have worked very hard, all these negative comments about Los Gigantes and THE BUG are not helpful. This whole subject is so depressing and can anyone tell me why in 10 years of living here, eating out and entertaining I nor any of my friends(residents) have never had this bug. Yes of course occasionally some of us have an upset stomach, this is due to perhaps too much socialising, e.g alcohol, over indulgence of food we wouldnt normally eat etc., why does it seem only tourist/holidaymakers are prone to what you all describe as a terrible bug. ???


    Chrissie

    With respect you are totally missing the point.

    The majority of the comments here are referring to the extremely damaging entries on Trip advisor and specifically the LG Hotel.  It is to Trip Advisor that the majority of potential visitors refer to before booking - not to this board.

    Here are some examples

    March 17th "........ Then one by one you heard stories of people becoming ill which made one very nervous. Managed to escape until about the 12th day when I felt a bit 'off colour' and nauseous, from then on did not eat particular well, only to return home to find I have come down with the bug"

    March 17th " Thomson's continue to send guests to this Norovirus infested hotel?

    March 15th "Day 5 we met the couple who we had arrived with who had just come out of there room due to illness!"

    March 15th "...dont go to this hotel on arriving there were notices about an illness we both came down with along with many other guests its a 48 hour bug with lasting affects we were told to stay in our rooms another 48 hours after it past "

    The above are the most recent comments - worse still there are dozens and dozens more here http://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g1079320-d282376-Reviews-Hotel_Los_Gigantes-Acantilado_de_los_Gigantes_Tenerife_Canary_Islands.html

    Something is wrong, and "we" are voicing our views that it would be helpful for those in the "know" to issue some reassurance if appropriate, or to take the initiative and come up with an action plan.




     

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    Re: Norovirus?
    « Reply #35 on: March 22, 2011 »
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  • I totally agree with everything you say, Mr Max.  Based on the complaints in Trip Adviser, if the the hotel is to blame then this could possibly be due to the fact that some clients have been on a cruise immediately prior to staying at the hotel.  Cruise ships seem to be notorious for breeding viruses.  However, it could also be due to the fact that the hotel is immediately adjacent to the sea and the associated spray.

    I have also heard victims say that local doctors have blamed the sea water quality for sickness.

    So it is clear to me that the first priority is that the water quality of the sea off Los G needs to be thoroughly, independently and openly investigated over an extended period.  Any ideas?

    amunette

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    « Reply #36 on: March 22, 2011 »
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    Chrissie With respect you are totally missing the point.

    Pesonally I agree with Chrissie. Both my parents work in Los Gigantes and they have not heard about this so-called epidemic. Yes, some people do take ill, but to try and blame it on seaspray you are clutching at straws! Lets not forget the clients of the LG hotel are mainly old folk who are more prone to going down with bugs anyway. Those putting forward this ludicrous sea-to-blame idea really should do some reasearch on how the bug is spread.

    As for Trip Advisor, lets be honest, people mainly post about their hols if they had a bad time. Anyone with an ounce of sense realises that when reading these things. If the hundreds of folks who had stayed at the LG hotel went on the site and posted that they had had a bug-free holiday this would not be an issue, just that people generally don't bother to post when no issue to gripe about.


    orange

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    « Reply #37 on: March 22, 2011 »
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  • Cruise Ships actually do something about matters like this. They have problems now and again - but they address them.
    Anyone who has been on a cruise ship will know this.

    In fairness there are many people on TA who post reviews wherever they go and whatever that experience brings. It is part of the holiday for some.

    Hotel Los Gigantes gets a low average number of TA reviews and I would put that down to a greater number of guests not being net users.

    The nearest that I can average that out with over the same period of time is Luabay Costa Los Gigantes. There average was 202, Hotel Los Gigantes 83.

    (The Luabay Costa Los Gigantes reviews blow the myth of posting only 'bad time' reviews out of the water - but I know where you are coming from)

















    gigs

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    « Reply #38 on: March 22, 2011 »
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  • I do wish people would stop spreading rumours about people being hurt or shot at in Libya, it's destroying their tourist trade.

    In over 10 years of visiting Libya, never once have I been shot at, and nor have any of my friends - so these nonsense stories about shootings cannot possibly be true.

    Besides, my son has been shot at twice, and he's never even been to Libya, so explain that you scaremongers!
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    amunette

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    « Reply #39 on: March 22, 2011 »
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  • Sure you meant no harm Gigs but having had the norovirus and being hospitalized with it, I would still never equate it to what the people in Libya are living through at the moment. Not really a thing to be joking about  :(

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    Re: Norovirus?
    « Reply #40 on: March 23, 2011 »
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  • He does have a point! It would seem that if everyone were to bury their heads in the sand deep enough, then Noravirus will go away. We could have a poll, vote now, does it exist? is it still here? nah just over indulgence. OK then, how come it is still here 12 months later? why is the problem at Los Gigantes?

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    Re: Norovirus?
    « Reply #41 on: March 23, 2011 »
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  • My partner and I were in LG this time last year and we both had mild tummy upsets, nothing to really moan about. However although we did stay for 5 days at the LG hotel we both had it before we got there, some friends stayed exclusively there and he was extremely poorly with it. We had a week in an apartment first. TA was full of the LG hotel and the Barcelo having the bug but I have just looked at the barcelo on TA and not a mention. Just maybe there is something in the seaspray theory.
    Not putting us off though , back on 1st april.

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    Re: Norovirus?
    « Reply #42 on: March 23, 2011 »
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  • Our local hospital and two cottage hospitals have just been hit by the virus. A spokesman said, "the hospital was normally able to resolve a norovirus outbreak in about 48 hours but due to wards being affecting at different times, it was expected to take four to five days to ensure the virus was "out of the system".

    Why then does the problem persist at the Los Gigantes Hotel?

    amunette

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    « Reply #43 on: March 23, 2011 »
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    He does have a point! It would seem that if everyone were to bury their heads in the sand deep enough, then Noravirus will go away. We could have a poll, vote now, does it exist? is it still here? nah just over indulgence. OK then, how come it is still here 12 months later? why is the problem at Los Gigantes?

    The norovirus and all around winter months we see complaints because yes, people are getting the bug but that is because it is normal this time of year. I looked throught TP posts and not one mentioned this bug outside its normal "winter bug" status. Also,if you put aside posts which were just a question "is it safe", then you will see most post were questions rather than people complaining of being ill.
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    Re: Norovirus?
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  • Puting the bug aside, is nobody concerned about the water quality off-shore?  The true situation regarding sewage disposal into the sea needs to be addressed.  The Council position is that the problem does not exist.  Ask the people who swim, sail and dive off Los G and you will get a very different picture.  Only by competent, independent, open and long-term assessment can the true situation be determined.  If it is as bad as I believe it to be, then maybe this is a contributing factor to the bug situation and people will finally accept that something needs to be done about it.

    amunette

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    « Reply #45 on: March 24, 2011 »
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    Puting the bug aside, is nobody concerned about the water quality off-shore?  The true situation regarding sewage disposal into the sea needs to be addressed.

    Go to the Uk Enivroment Agency site and read how much sewage gets pumped into the sea around the UK. About 4000 odd pipes still active and doing it!

    Plus, I have personal experience of seeing a poo float past me in the sea at Puerto Colon beach, by La Pinta. Not nice!! The boats in the harbour their must just dump straight into the sea, as if you look at what gets washed up on the edges of the beach it is obviously toilet waste, tampons, sanitary pads etc. Ewww!

    If the sea really was to blame then Puerto Colon/Fa?abe would be a prime area for an outbreak.

    fed up of rain

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    « Reply #46 on: March 24, 2011 »
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    Puting the bug aside, is nobody concerned about the water quality off-shore?  The true situation regarding sewage disposal into the sea needs to be addressed.

    Go to the Uk Enivroment Agency site and read how much sewage gets pumped into the sea around the UK. About 4000 odd pipes still active and doing it!

    Plus, I have personal experience of seeing a poo float past me in the sea at Puerto Colon beach, by La Pinta. Not nice!! The boats in the harbour their must just dump straight into the sea, as if you look at what gets washed up on the edges of the beach it is obviously toilet waste, tampons, sanitary pads etc. Ewww!

    If the sea really was to blame then Puerto Colon/Fa?abe would be a prime area for an outbreak.

    I would totally agree most of the English Riviera also would be susceptible to it!

    If you read other Tenerife forums you will see that an Iberistar hotel in the south had an outbreak last year at around the same time as Los Gigs

    The bigger issue is really not why it was there last year but why is it back again? It wasnt there in September, but we had it in January.

    TA (and some posts on here) are going to be very damaging to anyone with a vested interest in the area.

    Is it indeed Noro or something with similar symptoms but something more sinister?

    I am surprised no local doctors have sent samples off as they would in the UK from local people infected if not tourists.

    That said I am arriving tomorrow - slightly perturbed and armed with antiviral and antibacterial things!

    amunette

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    « Reply #47 on: March 24, 2011 »
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    The bigger issue is really not why it was there last year but why is it back again? It wasnt there in September, but we had it in January.

    Because its also know as the WINTER vomiting bug!! Every winter it rears its head, don't know why, not a doctor but that is what it is, the winter bug, Norovirus.

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    That said I am arriving tomorrow - slightly perturbed and armed with antiviral and antibacterial things!

    Don't be dramatic lol!! I have been back on the Island, in the LG area for 4 weeks now and not been ill, nor have my parents who live and work n the area. My son(lives with his dad here) has had the bug, but he has been nowhere near LG hotel or seaspray!! He got it from school.  Just take normal precautions and you will be fine. Have a good holiday ;D

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    « Reply #48 on: March 24, 2011 »
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  • Am coming out next Tuesday - normally come out twice a year and have done for more than ten years.  Perhaps luck (or normal sensible precautions) but so far my husband and myself have stayed bug free.  As others point out there is a problem that needs dealing with - new visitors to message board must read some of our posts with trepidation!  Really looking forward to happy healthy time there!

    Chrissi

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    « Reply #49 on: March 25, 2011 »
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  • As far as this thing re sea contamination goes, suggest you ask Dolly Diver, an experienced diver and she will tell you that what you see comes from plants around the rocks etc., if I remember a conversation I had with her some time ago correctly. I had been on a dolphin trip with some visiting family and thought I had seen raw sewage just outside the harbour. Dolly put me right. Also before the beach was closed I know some local residents swam every day off the beach and never a complaint.

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    As far as this thing re sea contamination goes, suggest you ask Dolly Diver, an experienced diver

    You will be asking turkeys to vote for Christmas next! ;D

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  • The well respected British Health Protection Agency has lots of info on their website about norovirus:

    http://www.hpa.org.uk/Topics/InfectiousDiseases/InfectionsAZ/Norovirus/

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  • I have dived between Masca and Punta Blanca every day, often twice a day for the past 21years.  I have never had a problem in all these years.  There is huge diversity of marine life, there wouldn't be if the pollution was as bad as some people make out.

    There is 2000 metres depth between Los Gigantes and La Gomera and good tidal currents which keeps the water clear.

    There is no need to be concerned.

    The pollution problem which really makes me angry is the amount of plastic carrier bags, water bottles etc which end up in the sea.  It looks horrible but the real problem is what damage it causes to the marine life.  For an example turtles eat jelly fish and a clear plastic bag resembles a jelly fish.  Plastic has been the cause of many deaths in turtles.  
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  • I have dived between Masca and Punta Blanca every day, often twice a day for the past 21years.  I have never had a problem in all these years.

    There is 2000 metres depth between Los Gigantes and La Gomera and good tidal currents which keeps the water clear.

    There is no need to be concerned 

    BUT .......

    Where exactly are the outflows, particularly in relation to the LG Hotel.  How deep are they and how far offshore are they?

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    « Reply #54 on: March 25, 2011 »
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  • The only one I know about is the one off Puerto Santiago.  It's about 300 metres off Mar Blanco/Barcello Santiago.  In around 25 metres depth.  The pipe was laid around 16years ago

    I used to live in El Varadero and I was horrified at the time at find that the sewerage went straight into the sea.  New regulations came in, I think around 8 years ago (thank goodness) and all communities had to link up to the main pipe.  Threats of heafty fines if they didn't.

    One of our favourite dive sites Atlantis, is aprox 500 metres directly out to sea from the Los Gigantes Hotel.  We never see any signs of sewerage.  It's a beautiful site, lots of life, good visibility.

    I believe there is also an outlet somewhere along Punta Blanca, but we have another favourite dive site along there and again its clean and teaming with life.

    Look at Tenerife on a map of the Atlantic Ocean, we really are a drop in the ocean, unlike a lot of other places in the world, the Med for instance!!!!

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    « Reply #55 on: March 25, 2011 »
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  • Dolly, in the best interests of the area I reckon that this topic should be closed and deleted.

    orange

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  • Reviews on TA are coming in thick and fast about Hotel Los Gigantes.

    How long would it take for this subject to come up here again? Particularly if it is deleted.

    Dolly would have put many minds to rest about the sea and outfall.



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    « Reply #57 on: March 26, 2011 »
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  • I also forgot to mention that Playa Arena beach has been awarded for the "Blue Flag" award for the past 23 years.  One of the requirements is passing a water test.

    The dive site Atlantis, directly out to sea from the Los Gigantes hotel which I mentioned in an earlier post - check out the  water clarity for yourself on http://www.divingtenerife.co.uk/video.php
    click on dive site Atlantis. 

    In fact all the clips were filmed in this area

    grockle

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    « Reply #58 on: March 26, 2011 »
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  • I tend to agree with Orange that this subject should not be deleted but seen and addressed as far as possible. Dolly has helped considerably with her knowledge of the area and her explanation that what may appear to be sewage floating on the sea may well be something harmless.
    If the local Council were to consider analysing water samples and publishing the results that may also allay some fears over water quality?

    I have never stayed at the Los Gigantes Hotel so do not know why they seem to be the 'focus' of much venting of anger on TA. It would certainly be worth their while continuing to do as much as possible to combat infection within the Hotel. It may well have contributory factors as mentioned by previous posters - guest ages, cruise passenger stop-overs, but they must be seen to be taking as much positive action as possible to allay fears.

    This problem may not easily go away but the issues of water quality and infection control need to be addressed, dealt with as effectively as possible and results of tests published in local media.

    IF sea spray borne infection was in some way responsible would it not affect a wider area along the coast, both hotels and private accommodation? Let's hope that some official and expert research could be undertaken.

    orange

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    « Reply #59 on: March 27, 2011 »
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  • You may remember when Falstaff and I stopped at Hotel Los Gigantes (not together) but that did not stop the LG Paparazzi from taking their photographs.

    Anyway having stopped there a few times without making TA reviews. It would not surprise me if the bug was an internal matter and continues to be.