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Norovirus?
« on: March 18, 2011 »
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  • Hopefully arriving next Tuesday and renting a private apartment and have been following all the threads on trip advisor about people catching norovirus whether staying in a hotel or apartment. Can anyone who lives there and not recently caught the virus please advise so I can get an idea how rife the virus is, as people normally only post with bad news or to advise others. Would be nice to hear some positive news, and/or suspected reasons why or how they managed to avoid it. Is it just holidaymakers catching it or do you locals catch it too? Maybe you have built up some immunity to it.

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  • I hate to say this but the virus has NOT gone!
    We stayed in LOs Gigantes from the 5th Feb to 19 Feb this year. We had 4 nights at Poblero marinero, the rest at El Sombrero. After 5 nights we were both Very ill with violent stomach pains, vomiting and the runs, I struggled to get to the chemist, (she knew very well what it was) It lasted for over 4 days.
    We also knew of others staying at Sombrero that had it.
    We have been to Los Gigantes many times and would still return. Bar owners we talked to said that it would be better if the problem was investigated instead of brushing it under the carpet. Their fingers pointed at the sewerage slick floating off the harbour. Who knows?

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  • We had a dose of this last January and I was aware it was back this year earlier on but was under the impression it had passed through (excuse the pun)
    I am coming out next Friday and am a bit perturbed to hear this.........................

    I personally think it gets dragged out just after Xmas from the UK when its rife here over the festive period taken into a small close knit warm and moist environment it runs riot, because it seems to die off later in the year if it was in the surroundings there then surely it would be worse as it got hotter?

    That said, if people are starting to think it is in the harbour, drains, water, sea spray etc then it needs some kind of investigation. I have just been on exotic travels and survived without delhi belly so could do without coming to safe little Los Gigs to get a dose of the squirts thankyou very much!

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  • It is a virus, it goes round every year, whether you are in Tenerife or the UK. Just one of those unlucky things. Most people probably catch it on the plane over or back, yet still blame the hotel or aparments they stayed at. Just accept it , it is one of those bugs that is so easily passed around no amount of bleach/cleaning products will stop you getting it!! x

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    I have just been on exotic travels and survived without delhi belly so could do without coming to safe little Los Gigs to get a dose of the squirts thankyou very much!
    I can assure you it is worse than this! :)
    I can understand people with a vested interest trying to play it down to over indulgence, after all they have a living to make so who can blame them? I visited the Los Gigantes hotel out of curiosity, they got some of the blame last year, they now display hygenic handwash facilities near to food areas. However it only takes an infected person to hand you a drink with their hand near the rim, you will then catch it, this is why lots of cruiseships get infected. If I had a catering establishment or bar, I would encourage the rest in business to pay for a proper test to establish why it only seems to be Los Gigantes that suffers.
    After voicing my opinion, I am sure you will have a wonderfull time on holiday, we found prices and service very good, Poblero marineros a bit in need of a clean and paint job, sadly lacking in maintenance, but El Sombrero quite good and well kept.
    I will go and hide now and await the flack!

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  • we have just returned from Puerto Santiago after 9 weeks and I am pleased to say we never saw or heard of any sign of the problem

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  • Davymar menions a sewerage slick off the harbour!!!!!!

    Whenever the sea gets rough the wave action mulches up the seaweed.  The weed gives off a soapy substance which floats on the surface.  It doesn't look very nice but it is totally harmless.

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  • Ever since package holidays were invented, tourist visiting all foreign resorts have succumbed, to some extent, to upset stomachs -  from Dehli Belly to Montezuma's revenge.

    I occasionally have an upset stomach abroad ? it may be down to the water or different foods, gluttony, too much alcohol or whatever. I've never had the norovirus abroad. I know what it is because I had it once in the UK and I was violently wretching all night even though my stomach was empty. I really thought I might die.  Many of  my friends and acquaintances in our village have had it recently but our village has had no adverse publicity at all, not even in the local press.

    There is a danger that anyone who throws up in Los Gigantes  will put it down to this virus when it could be something else.  Los Gigantes  has  had a  particularly bad press mainly, in my  opinion, because of this website - no offence intended.  We rarely get to hear similar complaints from other resorts because generally they do not have their own quality dedicated website.

    Los Gigantes appears to stands out as being prone to this bug when it probably isn't. And given  that tourism is so competitive and important to the area, this should be the message that the local  Council is putting out to tourists. But is says nothing to us. Not a single press release. Nothing about numbers of victims. No reassurance to tourists by publishing the results of sea water tests for independent scrutiny. Nothing about hygiene  initiatives they have introduced in local shops, bars and hotels etc. Nothing about reassuring results from inspections they have carried out.  Believe it or not the Council has a designated Councillor responsible for Tourism and The Media. Where is he? What is he doing?  

    As a regular visitor to many of the Canary islands with a particular  preference for Los Gigantes, why should I (and anyone else for that matter) return to Los Gigantes  if the local Council cannot utter a single reassuring word to me as a tourist on this important health issue.

    Is it covering something up, or is it totally incompetent -or maybe it just doesn't care.
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  • Wash your hands frequently and use an antiseptic handwash afterwards. If everyone did that there would only be tummy upsets with dodgy food. We don't get that here do we ?

    amunette

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  • I actually had this virus a couple of winters back, in the UK, only 1 in the house out of 5 of us! I ended up in hospital for a week having a blood transfusion as the constant strain of wretching tore a hole in my oesophagus and I lost a load of blood :( Have no idea how I caught it or why I was the only one infected, possibly got as I worked in a shop as the time handling money,but who knows!!

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  • Ever since package holidays were invented, tourist visiting all foreign resorts have succumbed, to some extent, to upset stomachs -  from Dehli Belly to Montezuma's revenge.

    I occasionally have an upset stomach abroad ? it may be down to the water or different foods, gluttony, too much alcohol or whatever. I've never had the norovirus abroad. I know what it is because I had it once in the UK and I was violently wretching all night even though my stomach was empty. I really thought I might die.  Many of  my friends and acquaintances in our village have had it recently but our village has had no adverse publicity at all, not even in the local press.

    There is a danger that anyone who throws up in Los Gigantes  will put it down to this virus when it could be something else.  Los Gigantes  has  had a  particularly bad press mainly, in my  opinion, because of this website - no offence intended.  We rarely get to hear similar complaints from other resorts because generally they do not have their own quality dedicated website.

    Los Gigantes appears to stands out as being prone to this bug when it probably isn't. And given  that tourism is so competitive and important to the area, this should be the message that the local  Council is putting out to tourists. But is says nothing to us. Not a single press release. Nothing about numbers of victims. No reassurance to tourists by publishing the results of sea water tests for independent scrutiny. Nothing about hygiene  initiatives they have introduced in local shops, bars and hotels etc. Nothing about reassuring results from inspections they have carried out.  Believe it or not the Council has a designated Councillor responsible for Tourism and The Media. Where is he? What is he doing?  

    As a regular visitor to many of the Canary islands with a particular  preference for Los Gigantes, why should I (and anyone else for that matter) return to Los Gigantes  if the local Council cannot utter a single reassuring word to me as a tourist on this important health issue.

    Is it covering something up, or is it totally incompetent -or maybe it just doesn't care.

    Frankly, and I say this with no malice intended, but it seems to me that they (the council members) are somewhat pre-occupied with changing political colours in an effort to hold on to power in the forthcoming elections, and busy blaming everyone else for the lack of investment in local infra-structure and the confidence we the voters have in them generally.

    If they would only stop for a moment and realise that right now, with the island virtually full through outside circumstances, being seen to be acting in the best interests of their county might win them some much needed brownie points.  Dispelling the Norovirus rumours which continue to be rife on Trip Advisor and elsewhere would be one such option open to them.  It doesn't cost much to issue a few press releases of reassurance to both the travel industry nor for that matter locally, nor, assuming they are positive, the results of the many tests that are supposed to be routinely taken of the water around the coast.

    As indicated above, keeping such results confidential is paramount to admitting there is, or may be problems. 

    So, here is a plea from a voter.  If the results are positive please shout them from the roof-tops NOW, together with everything else you have done, not just regarding Norovirus, but everything else. 

    If there are problems, don't be frightened to say so, alongside showing some initiative on how you intend to deal with it.

    Let this (and other problems) fester at your peril.


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  • Believe it or not the Council has a designated Councillor responsible for Tourism and The Media. Where is he? What is he doing?  

    As a regular visitor to many of the Canary islands with a particular  preference for Los Gigantes, why should I (and anyone else for that matter) return to Los Gigantes  if the local Council cannot utter a single reassuring word to me as a tourist on this important health issue.

    Is it covering something up, or is it totally incompetent -or maybe it just doesn't care.

    I refer you to the posting "The Local Conservative Meeting PP...." which summarises the recent presentation made by the prospective PP party.  The fourth paragraph provides an insight into the current party's attitude towards efluent disposal into the sea, a possible cause for the sickness suffered by people breathing is sea water spray.  According to the Council the problem does not exist.  I think there is very little chance of this situation, which in my view is the most important issue in Los G, being given any attention in the future.  The Council's present priority is to get elected and then pursue the various coastal improvements described at the meeting.

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  •   It doesn't look very nice but it is totally harmless.

    Guess that statement could refer to a number of posters to this thread !! ;D ;D :D ;D ;D   :-*
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  • Believe it or not the Council has a designated Councillor responsible for Tourism and The Media. Where is he? What is he doing?  

    As a regular visitor to many of the Canary islands with a particular  preference for Los Gigantes, why should I (and anyone else for that matter) return to Los Gigantes  if the local Council cannot utter a single reassuring word to me as a tourist on this important health issue.

    Is it covering something up, or is it totally incompetent -or maybe it just doesn't care.

    I refer you to the posting "The Local Conservative Meeting PP...." which summarises the recent presentation made by the prospective PP party.  The fourth paragraph provides an insight into the current party's attitude towards efluent disposal into the sea, a possible cause for the sickness suffered by people breathing is sea water spray.  According to the Council the problem does not exist.  I think there is very little chance of this situation, which in my view is the most important issue in Los G, being given any attention in the future.  The Council's present priority is to get elected and then pursue the various coastal improvements described at the meeting.

    I think you are probably right.  That said, the report on the meeting was not exactly unbiased - the previous report which was deleted was somewhat more down to earth and realistic.


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    The fourth paragraph provides an insight into the current party's attitude towards efluent disposal into the sea, a possible cause for the sickness suffered by people breathing is sea water spray.  According to the Council the problem does not exist. 

    My son has had it a couple of times, lives in Tamaimo, not been near the sea since last summer. Nor to Los Gigantes, until yesterday. Is there any proof, scientific or other to back up this bizarre sea-spray idea?!!

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    Is there any proof, scientific or other to back up this bizarre sea-spray idea?!!

    May I humbly suggest that you do a little research using google for example, you will then see the many ways in which this virus can be spread. So possibly not a bizarre idea after all?

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    May I humbly suggest that you do a little research using google for example, you will then see the many ways in which this virus can be spread. So possibly not a bizarre idea after all?

    Ummm, I did!! Mainly because I knew someone would suggest it lol, and also because I was curious to see if there was any suggestion that it could be spread this way. There was not. Well, not in the many pages I looked through anyway but I am willing to stand corrected if anyone can post a link to any credible evidence that such a thing is possible.

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  • There is a perception amongst tourists and residents that the problem is connected to the quality of sea water below the Los Gigantes Hotel. This may or may not be true. If untrue the belief needs to be addressed and dispelled because it will persist (just read the comments on Trip Advisor).

    The relevant quote from the report of the recent public meeting attended by the Mayor is as follows:-

    ?The question of the water quality off-shore was raised by a member of the audience, as it is relevant to all these beach projects. The Council stated that Playa Arena has a Blue Flag and assurances were made that the water off Los Gigantes beach is regularly tested. There are settling tanks in Los Gigantes which remove all the solids, so that only clean water is pumped into the ocean.?

    There can be no doubt that  sewage at the point of entry to the settling  tanks will be contaminated by the virus. Although the settling tanks may separate, to some extent, solids from liquids, that does not produce clean uncontaminated water.   

    The quotation above begs a number of questions.

    1. Are the settling tanks still bypassed  during periods of heavy rainfall (because they can't cope with the volume of water) and when this happens are water quality tests taken along the coast?

    2. Is  the water quality immediately  below the Los Gigantes Hotel regularly tested? If it is,  can the results be published? If it isn't, will it now be tested and the results published for independent scrutiny in order to dispel the rumour which is damaging the reputation of the hotel and the resort as a whole?

    3. How is  the sewage from the Los Gigantes Hotel  pumped to the settling tanks?

    4. Is the liquid waste  which has passed through the settling  tanks and  ready for discharge into the sea  tested for the  presence of the virus before discharge. If so, can the results be published?

    5. Where is the liquid discharged?

    6. Are there ANY sewer pipes in the resort which discharge directly into the sea and not via the settlement tanks?  If so, at what point(s) and are water samples taken and tested in the vicinity?

    Could we please  have answers from Councillor McKenna (I presume he is still Councillor for Media and Tourism)?


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    The fourth paragraph provides an insight into the current party's attitude towards efluent disposal into the sea, a possible cause for the sickness suffered by people breathing is sea water spray.  According to the Council the problem does not exist. 

    My son has had it a couple of times, lives in Tamaimo, not been near the sea since last summer. Nor to Los Gigantes, until yesterday. Is there any proof, scientific or other to back up this bizarre sea-spray idea?!!

    It's not a bizarre concept - to take a shower in sh** is rather likely to cause a problem - but that is not the question at issue.  The point is whether or not this is actually happening.  The problem is that LG has such a bad name on Trip Advisor at present, and this is cited by many on there as the cause.  Until the local authorities who apparently regularly test the water and have the results to hand actually come clean (!) and publish the results of their tests, the gossip on Trip Advisor will continue and the rumurs continue.

    Once again, the council should publish their findings and put this matter to rest for once and all.

    If the sea is clean, then the main hotel concerned is perhaps at fault - who knows - we don't.


    orange

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  • The Water Quality Tests need to be made public. Perhaps they are?

    Because if all is within public health standards - why not shout about it?


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    Ummm, I did!! Mainly because I knew someone would suggest it lol, and also because I was curious to see if there was any suggestion that it could be spread this way. There was not. Well, not in the many pages I looked through anyway but I am willing to stand corrected if anyone can post a link to any credible evidence that such a thing is possible.

    If you look into the causes and transmision of the virus, one simply way you can be contaminated is this.
    OK, your worst scenario, you visit the loo and the person before you has the virus but did not leave the loo clean, so you flush the loo, any spray that lands on you can contaminate you.
    Therefore the sea spray if also contaminated, would do the same thing in theory because the virus can be airbourne.

    I enjoyed the very informative post by Falstaff, obviously the tourists do not know what research is ongoing, but I am sure that if a clearer message was made available, it would be far better for the tourist industry as a whole, instead of bad publicity on tourist advisor.

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  • I think you are probably right.  That said, the report on the meeting was not exactly unbiased - the previous report which was deleted was somewhat more down to earth and realistic.



    Mr Max, assuming that we are both referring to the same report, I actually wrote the original version at Dolly Diver's request.  However, I did not intend my personal views to be included at that stage on the forum, so Dolly kindly allowed me to edit these out and then she  published the existing version report on the forum.  The two reports were actually identical with only my personal views deleted from the current version. The idea was to try to attract comments from the forum on all of the issues discussed at the meeting.  The current "Noravirus" thread certainly seems to be pursuing the issue of sewage disposal into the sea quite effectively.  However the Council is adamant that the problem does not exist.  So no help there.  Also, local businesses seem reluctant to get involved in case raising the profile of the problem puts potential visitors off.  So, again, no help there.  My own view is that if visitors suffer significant illness regularly when they visit Los G (i.e. more than the normal "holiday tum") then they will stop coming and Los G will suffer.  I am at a loss to know what can be done to pursue this.  Ideally, the Council need to come clean and provide all the facts.  Then if it can be shown that the water quality offshore is not up to scratch (and is therefore a potential source of airborne viruses) then maybe something can be done to address this.

    fed up of rain

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  • I too have researched Google this am in an effort to protect myself when I visit shortly.

    Norovirus would appear to only be transmitted via direct contact, eg nursing someone ill, kissing someone incubating it, eating or drinking items that may have been handled (or indeed their serving receptacles) by again someone carrying the virus or touching a contaminated surface and putting your hands to your mouth.

    It states that schools, hospitals, car homes, cruise ship and hotels all fall victim due to communal areas and communal handling of food.

    eg hotel buffet

    I am not too sure but would stand corrected that even if contaminated bodily fluid with had been in contact with infected faecal matter, sea spray containing the smallest amount would be diluted to such a degree that it cannot be the main cause?


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  • fed up of rain:

    I think I read one your papers concerning host-pathogen interactions in emerging and re-emerging infectious diseases.

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    I think I read one your papers concerning host-pathogen interactions in emerging and re-emerging infectious diseases.

    I steer away from this PRO  los gigantes website and really BLOODY wonder why




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    I think I read one your papers concerning host-pathogen interactions in emerging and re-emerging infectious diseases.

    I steer away from this PRO  los gigantes website and really BLOODY wonder why

    Its an opinion on a public webspace.........................the same as loads others but you have a go at me?  Dont bother replying 'cos I aint bothering this place again............................. I Love LG and dont want it going down the tubes!

     


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