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TraceyRich

Moving to Los Gigantes
« on: August 13, 2008 »
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  • Hi all

    My partner and I have planned to move to Los Gigantes/Santiago in the next 5 years. We visit every year and have done for the last 6 years. We love it there and can't wait to be permanently there.

    Can anyone give us some advice about living abroad? What do we need to have/do?

    Tracey x

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    Re: Moving to Los Gigantes
    « Reply #1 on: August 13, 2008 »
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  • Some of the answers to your questions are already on the board i.e
     agree go for it. its the best thing we ever did. But do your homework first, you will need money, and you will get bored if you dont have a job, even if its only a few hours a day, dont get into the holiday mode, when you are here, drinking etc
     
     Agree with everything that's been said - we are just 'newly'moved here (in January) although like most people who eventually live here have been coming for years and decided a year ago to move here and give it a go. Please do you homework and think seriously about the things you will miss. So far, for us personally, it's the best thing we have ever done. Obviously I don't know if my thoughts will be the same a few years down the line, I take the view that I'll just go back 'home' if that's the case as we have still got our place there. I'm lucky that I have that option, we thought it best to keep that for a few years just to see if we did like it here.

    Been here 5 years now nor regrets echo all that Rambo said, i have a friend who has been here 15 years and another 19 both say it's the best thing they did but it's not nirvana so do your home work well if you want peace and quite don?t live next to an entertainment bar and then complain about the noise etc, you get my drift. Make sure your paperwork is in order.

    You don?t say how old you are.  I?m not wanting to pry but, if you are retired then there is another advantage of the warmer climate relieving arthritis problems etc.

    However, if you need to work think carefully.  It can be difficult to get employment here if you don?t speak Spanish.  If you intend to run your own business then I cannot stress how important it is to do your homework.  (email me privately and I can put you in touch with those who can give you the correct advice and translate for you).

    Those with no language skills end up working in bars and restaurants. That may be fine and good fun for most however, come to the not so busy times your contract may not be renewed ? that?s if you got a contract in the first place!

    I?ve been here 18yrs ? still get fed up with all the paper chasing ? but that is part of life here.  I have no desires at all to return to the UK.

    If you come out here on holiday before you move, try to apply for an NIE number at the Police Station in Las Americas, we did this first, and it does help for when you actually move

    Good Luck

     

    TraceyRich

    Re: Moving to Los Gigantes
    « Reply #2 on: August 13, 2008 »
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  • Thanks very much Jodie. This is very helpful. I'm 37 and my partner Richard is 43. I also have my mum who lives with us and will come with us if still around (sounds awful but you know what I mean) and she is 72 but an able 72.

    We have a property here in Kent but would have to sell if we moved to Tenerife. The money we made would be our moving to Tenerife money and I have already made contact with Delmar about renting in Tenerife. Richard and I would definately need jobs of some kind but neither of us speak Spanish as yet - but we do intend to learn.

    My worry really is whether my mum will settle although she's settled in Dartford from London when we moved her 4 years ago, but it's not quite the same I suppose. She's been to Los Gigantes twice now and I'm taking her back for a week at the end of November (Rich and I have our 2 week holiday there too in September - can't wait) so I'm gonna see how she finds it then.

    We will think seriously but thanks for the advice. It's helpful to us.

    Tracey


    sunshine

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    « Reply #3 on: August 13, 2008 »
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  • Hi that is all really good advice... I have lived in Los Gigantes for nearly 2 years and it's the best move I have ever done...
    You should start on your Spanish as soon as possible because it really helps with so many situations you have to deal with, I have had lessons for the last year and you will be surprised how quickly you pick it up, but don't be shy to use it here because so many of the Canarians can speak English,and it is easy to be lazy.
    Also it is true about the job's there are hardly any, so unless your trained in somthing or your going to start your own business your struggle to find one.
    The medical care here is first class... dentists are all private but I find this is so much better than the NHS. It is easy to see the dentist, and most hospitals your find they speak some English... The only problem I have found is my doctor speaks only Spanish but I have a friend who translates for me... if I need help to explain.
    As for food I was worried about missing English food, but I have been able to get everything I have been used to here.
    If you have any questions about anything I would be please to help you.

    TraceyRich

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    « Reply #4 on: August 14, 2008 »
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  • Thanks Sunshine!

    We would definately need to work. Richard drives for a living, so we are hoping he'd be able to get a driving job maybe, and I'm currently doing a degree in Facilities Management so I'd like to go into estate agency or property or something like that. But neither of us mind doing bar work or something to get us started. We have both done that before!

    The Spanish learning is a must for all of us. Mum included. She receives a pension, and doesn't pay for prescriptions and things like that. Would she still get these benefits in Tenerife? She does already still pay for dentistry but not prescription glasses for example. And what about healthcare? Would I need to get health insurance for her over there?

    sunshine

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    « Reply #5 on: August 14, 2008 »
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  • Hi...
    There are options for Richard, I have a friend here that from 'word of mouth' makes a nice amount picking people up and taking them to the airport.
    Also you should be able to get a job in an estate agency or something similar because of the amount of property that is always being built here, I expect you have seen... it is hard to miss all the building work on this island!!!
    Okay once you are working and have your NIE no. your be paying social security, this entitles you for free medical care. Also your need to decide if you want to be a permanent resident and if yes your have residency for the island which means you are entitled to everything the Canarians are entitled to... etc if you become unemployed you can claim like jobseekers allowance.
    I know people here that have lived here for years and still have there English pension, now I am not sure how legal this is, but I can't see any harm if they are living here and paying privately for medical treatment.
    As for your mum there would be a way I think, considering if she applied for residency her pension would be transferred to here... so I don't think you would have yo take out health insurance... because she would legally be a resident
    Before we moved here we tried to find out as much as we could, because we have found our biggest problem here is  'lost in translation' what I mean is if the Canarians spoke perfect English it would have been so much easier to deal with the legal stuff, because there has been so many occasion we haven't been able to explain the simplest thing.

                                      BUENA SUERTE  :)

    t l c

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    « Reply #6 on: August 15, 2008 »
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  • Please also be aware that you will not get any medical care if you are not paying social security unless of course you have private cover. Most bar jobs are not legal, by that I mean no contract in place and no social being paid, cash in hand, which is fine if you are happy earning that way. If your husband drives for a living it might well be worth it if he contacts the bus companies that do trips and run back and forward to the airport, they have a lot of British drivers working for them (Elmar is one of them). Be carfeul if you do airport runs yourself as obviously it's not legal. I'm sure you will be sensible about it, but also work out how much you will need to live on or what you would be happy earning and stick to that budget. Personally I think you would be better buying than renting but  that's just my opinion.

    scooby

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    « Reply #7 on: August 15, 2008 »
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  • In my opinion taking into consideration you wil be bringing your mum with you i think the best advice to give you is for you not to sell your poperty in the uk but, rent it out for a year and use that money to rent here. This gives you time to decide if living here really is what you all want and if so after a year then sell your property in the uk and look to buy here. I don't mean to sound like a party pooper but the amount of people that sell up and come here only for one reason or another decide to go back to the uk is quiet high, then have all the hassle of selling up again. As well by renting first you can get a much better feel for the area you would like to buy, where you stay on holiday for example will probably not suit you long tern ie as already mentioned don't buy near any entertainment bars and then complain about the noise as SO many do.

    Tenerife is a fantastic island and has lot's to offer but again as already mentioned do your homework, talk to as many people as possible and listen to what they say. If you really want to work in an estate agent you will stand a better chance if you speak spanish but even then it might not happen.

    I wish you all luck and hope your move when the time comes will be all thet you want it to be. ;)

    poolepirate

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    « Reply #8 on: August 15, 2008 »
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  • I too would like to add a touch of caution to what could be a dream or nightmare move.

    With respect you do seem to be a bit underqualified to obtain work that would be well enough paid to enable you to live the dream.

    The property market in Los Gigantes and surrounding area is dead.Staff being laid off not being taken on.

    Tourist transfer companies pay peanuts to ex pat Brits.

    A dependant relative could be a real handicap.

    Come by all means but do not burn your bridges back in the UK.

    I could go on but I think you will get the drift of mine and the previous post. Sorry!


    sunshine

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    « Reply #9 on: August 15, 2008 »
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  • Poolepirate with all due respect you shouldn't be putting people off coming to Los Gigantes... It's negative messages like yours that stop the people coming, when we need them now more than ever... Who in there right mind can say that living in the U.K is better than here!!!
    I think that if you have the opportunity you should grab it... remember life's to short to say 'I wish I done that' ....

    amunette

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    « Reply #10 on: August 15, 2008 »
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  • I think Poolpirate is right to point out the negative. What help is it to someone to sell up in the UK, get to LG and realise it is not what they thought? Far better to keep options open at first. As for living in the UK not being better, for us it is. We moved here last year, and apart from the weather, have a better, more secure standard of living now. My partner is Canarian by the way!! 

    NIDGE

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    « Reply #11 on: August 15, 2008 »
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  • Beware of some of the advice being given, like SUNSHINE, who said their friend   "From word of mouth make a nice amount picking people up and dropping them at the Airport"

    This is 100% Illegal, cars are now being photographed coming into the Airport and one similar offender last month was fined 15,000 euros for illegal taxiing, so beware. The Taxi drivers are on a mission and are watching people !

    amunette

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    « Reply #12 on: August 16, 2008 »
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  • Exactly Nidge. It's dog-eat-dog for trade now, and the legitimate taxi drivers will quite rightly defend their livelihood. Sunshine is doing no favours to people thinking of moving to Tenerife by pointing them in the direction of illegal work, and glossing over the negatives.

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    Re: Moving to Los Gigantes
    « Reply #13 on: August 16, 2008 »
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  • It is important to point out the problems someone may encounter at the end of the day each person is different and what a place is like for two weeks can be different fo life also living on local wages etc.For me i would love to live there and will one day I would say try before you  buy if you find its ok then sell in  uk best of luck

    wags

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    « Reply #14 on: August 16, 2008 »
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  • The employment solution is easy, just buy a guitar and stand in front of a mic. No end of expats  make a living out of it, however bad they try to sing 

    sunshine

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    « Reply #15 on: August 16, 2008 »
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  • NIDGE I expect you are one of the Taxi drivers to have such a strong opinion on that statement...
    I think people should ONLY comment on this subject if they are living here in Tenerife or have made the move here...  ???

    flossie

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    « Reply #16 on: August 16, 2008 »
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  • I have lived and worked here (legally employed) for 5 years now and have been reading this forum with interest recently.  This is my first post, I had to reply because this sort of thing makes me really angry.

    I have heard about several people who have done regular illegal taxi runs and have had their tyres slashed and paintwork damaged, and it serves them right.  The taxi drivers have to have a licence, special insurance, pay social security, tax and have radio?s etc fitted in their cars. Can you really blame them for being upset about illegal workers stealing their livelihood?

    My husband owns his own building and maintenance business.  It cost him a small fortune to become legal and overheads are high.  We feel the same way the taxi drivers feel when illegal builders who work from a van and a garage, paying no social security and tax, have no opening licence etc, undercut us and steal our livelihood!  I?m all for the heavy fines and the authorities should deport the lot of them.
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    Re: Moving to Los Gigantes
    « Reply #17 on: August 16, 2008 »
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  • I have lived and worked here (legally employed) for 5 years now and have been reading this forum with interest recently.  This is my first post, I had to reply because this sort of thing makes me really angry.

    I have heard about several people who have done regular illegal taxi runs and have had their tyres slashed and paintwork damaged, and it serves them right.  The taxi drivers have to have a licence, special insurance, pay social security, tax and have radio?s etc fitted in their cars. Can you really blame them for being upset about illegal workers stealing their livelihood?

    My husband owns his own building and maintenance business.  It cost him a small fortune to become legal and overheads are high.  We feel the same way the taxi drivers feel when illegal builders who work from a van and a garage, paying no social security and tax, have no opening licence etc, undercut us and steal our livelihood!  I?m all for the heavy fines and the authorities should deport the lot of them.


    I'm not sure I would go as far as your last sentence Flossie but everything else you say makes very good sense, as do some of the comments made by others. 

    Sunshine, I've lived here for 5 years and, thankfully, I don't need to work to support my family.  If TraceyRich is serious about moving here she should know that decent jobs for non Spanish speakers are difficult to find at best and are in any case poorly paid.  The number of Brits here that speak Spanish are very small in number and have either been here a long time, or married to a "local" or are at school. 
    TraceyRich if your life style depends on a decent income then you should think very carefully before making the move.  I've sent you a private message Tracey as to where you might go for good and RELIABLE advice. Suffice to say that living here is TOTALLY different from being here on holiday

    sunshine

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    « Reply #18 on: August 16, 2008 »
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  • Hey this subject has hit a nerve...
    I have not said that this is fair or not! but put yourself in this position...
    Your sat in a bar having a drink chatting to some friends about the taxi prices to and from the airport...
    Your friend tells you the name of someone who would take you for half the price...
    What would you do???

    BL

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    « Reply #19 on: August 17, 2008 »
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  • ......I'd get the bus!!!!!

    The service is excellent....change at Las Americas, and a fraction of the cost with  a Bono ticket. Just put your luggage in the luggage hold and enjoy the journey....

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  • Hey this subject has hit a nerve...
    I have not said that this is fair or not! but put yourself in this position...
    Your sat in a bar having a drink chatting to some friends about the taxi prices to and from the airport...
    Your friend tells you the name of someone who would take you for half the price...
    What would you do???

    Isn't it funny , or perhaps it's just coincidental, that one seems to meet all the local "experts", sitting on (or falling off) barstools  ::) ::) ::)

    amunette

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    « Reply #21 on: August 17, 2008 »
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    NIDGE I expect you are one of the Taxi drivers to have such a strong opinion on that statement...
    I think people should ONLY comment on this subject if they are living here in Tenerife or have made the move here...

    Sunshine, the taxi drivers are all Canarian.  I do not somehow think Nidge is!!!!! As for only having an opinion if you live their, rubbish. I live in the UK now, but have lived in Tenerife. As I said before, my partner is Canarian so I think I can quite safely comment on the subject of LG.

    flossie

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    « Reply #22 on: August 17, 2008 »
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  • Hey this subject has hit a nerve...
    I have not said that this is fair or not! but put yourself in this position...
    Your sat in a bar having a drink chatting to some friends about the taxi prices to and from the airport...
    Your friend tells you the name of someone who would take you for half the price...
    What would you do???

    Report them to the authorities If more of us did then the legal workers may stand a chance.

    NIDGE

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    « Reply #23 on: August 17, 2008 »
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  • "NIDGE I expect you are one of the Taxi drivers to have such a strong opinion on that statement...
    I think people should ONLY comment on this subject if they are living here in Tenerife or have made the move here... "



    SUNSHINE....... I do live here, I made the move and I WILL Comment on this subject and your stupid remarks, remarks that could easily get people into expensive trouble and i'm Irish, not Canarian, and not a taxi Driver. I commentred on this subject because I read the papers which advise you of the local problems in tenerife, such as Illegal Taxiing. I work and am 100% Legal and pay all my taxes.

    People who do any kind of work here illegally are just lazy. Get off your arse, get legal and earn a proper wage. If you cannot be bothered to do this, then either get off the Island or expect some sort of Justice, Legal or Illegal, to hit you hard !

    NikkiGQ

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    « Reply #24 on: August 17, 2008 »
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  • Dear Traceyrich

    Firstly I have lived here for 15 years and am married to a canarian and speak fluent Spanish with basic German and French. Its a fantastic island to live on but as a few others have pointed out there are some pittfalls but these will all depend on you and your attitude to your life here.

    Make sure you do everything legally !!! as in if your husband is going to look for taxi work or minibus pick ups,, please remember the locals are here before any of us and you should try to work alongside them, not against them.

    I agree with sunshine,, dont completely give up your UK connections,,, if you dont speak fluent Spanish medical help can be a minefield of having the right paperwork. it can be frustrating here sometimes.

    And also some else mentioned about trying not to behave  as if  your on a permanent holiday,,, there have been a few deaths here amongst the English in the last couple of years because of alcohol abuse,, idle minds and not enough to keep you busy.

    Think very seriously first,,, make connections here of people who can help you,,, and look into the job situation,, as everyone is aware we all suffering the credit crunch  and Tenerife has been seriously hit with businesses going under its sad but true.

    I wish you the best of luck and hope you fall in with the right sort of peple here..   STUDY WHAT SOME OF THE PEOPLE HAVE SAID ON THIS PAGE,, THEY MEAN WELL,, AND WANT YOU TO ARRIVE WITH NO ILLUSIONS.

    TraceyRich

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    « Reply #25 on: August 18, 2008 »
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  • Thanks to you all for your commens. We will bear them all in mind. Sorry the topic caused arguments - that wasn't the intention!


    TraceyRich  ;)

    amunette

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    « Reply #26 on: August 18, 2008 »
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  • LOL, don't worry TraceyRich, ANYTHING can start an argument in here!!!!! :D

    wags

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    « Reply #27 on: August 18, 2008 »
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  • Oh no it doesn't  ;D

    amunette

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    « Reply #28 on: August 19, 2008 »
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  • One thing I meant to say, before getting sidetracked by other issues, is, how is your mum's health? Do you feel she could live here all year round as in the summer months it can be very, very hot, as much as 40+ degrees. Also, have you ever been in LG when a Calima/Sirroco hits? its a hot wind/sand storm, making it very hard to breath for anyone with respiritory problems as the air is arid and full of dust. I lived up in Tamaimo and it was weird looking down on the coast when one hit as you literally cannot see a thing down there!!

    Sorry to be negative again, but for your mum, these things could hugely impact on her if she is not well in the first place, as even well older people I know do tend to return to the UK in the summer. Would that be an option for her if you did move, to return to other family if necessary, in the hottest time of the year?
    « Last Edit: August 19, 2008 by amunette »

    TraceyRich

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    « Reply #29 on: August 19, 2008 »
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  • I'm pleased to say at present she's in great health and very able for her young age of 72. She has diabetes and abit of arthritis but that's about it. If necessary, she could return home (I have three brothers here in the UK).

    We have to wait and see what she's like in 5 years I suppose, that's when we would consider moving. Alot can happen in 5 years and it may not be an option for us. Anyway, we'll have to see how it goes. In the meantime we will continue to enjoy our holidays in beautiful Los Gigantes!

    T