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Offline typo

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Meeting with Councillor McKenna?
« on: April 18, 2011 »
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  • I don't wish to start the dreaded Norovirus thread again but did The PM manage to get anything of any relevance from the meeting with Councillor McKenna?

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    Re: Meeting with Councillor McKenna?
    « Reply #1 on: May 02, 2011 »
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  • Read the report from Paul Marley of his interview with Councillor Steve McKenna

    http://losgigantes.com/news/

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    Re: Meeting with Councillor McKenna?
    « Reply #2 on: May 02, 2011 »
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  • I have just read the report and am rather surprised by the last bit of information- 400 car parking spaces to be created. OK, not LG I know but please can someone throw some light onto the new car parking facility in Puerto Santiago which still stands empty so long after it was finished ?  Whatever the reasons, surely common sense must prevail and the much needed parking be freed up for use?

    Information from friends living in the LG and Puerto Santiago area indicates that this 'bug' is still active in that area which to a certain extent is to be expected in that sickness bugs do present themselves regularly wherever we live, but can the cause of such a big outbreak as we had last year, ever be found?

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    Re: Meeting with Councillor McKenna?
    « Reply #3 on: May 04, 2011 »
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  • The new unopened car park in Puerto Santiago is privately owned, and we are led to believe there is a dispute between the developers and Unelco which is ongoing in court.  This is totally out of the hands of the council.

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    Re: Meeting with Councillor McKenna?
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  • Yes I understand that it is beyond the Council's remit, but surely someone somewhere can resolve this quickly or is it another case of big business needing to revert to the basics of good housekeeping in order to make sense of broader issues?

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    Re: Meeting with Councillor McKenna?
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  • just how long do these disputes take to settle? I heard that it was down to the owners and unelco at least a year ago could be two years ago. Parking is desperately needed in that area you would think that someone would have some sense and get it settled.

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    Re: Meeting with Councillor McKenna?
    « Reply #6 on: May 04, 2011 »
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  • It takes as long as it takes,  is the sad truth.

    Civil litigation cases in Spain can continue for many years, with each side appealing over and over again.  I guess it's an ill wind that brings no one any good and in this case one can assume that at least the lawyers will be able to feed their families (don't think I dare say anymore)

    Having spoken to Councillor McKenna several times on the subject, he and the Council are just as frustrated by the situation as the rest of us.

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    Re: Meeting with Councillor McKenna?
    « Reply #7 on: May 05, 2011 »
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  • I have just read the report and am rather surprised by the last bit of information- 400 car parking spaces to be created. OK, not LG I know but please can someone throw some light onto the new car parking facility in Puerto Santiago which still stands empty so long after it was finished ?  Whatever the reasons, surely common sense must prevail and the much needed parking be freed up for use?

    Information from friends living in the LG and Puerto Santiago area indicates that this 'bug' is still active in that area which to a certain extent is to be expected in that sickness bugs do present themselves regularly wherever we live, but can the cause of such a big outbreak as we had last year, ever be found?


    See also Dolly's report "http://www.losgigantes.com/board/index.php?topic=2344.0" on this subject. The title is "Local Conservative Party P.P. - open meeting....."
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    Re: Meeting with Councillor McKenna?
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  • The new unopened car park in Puerto Santiago is privately owned, and we are led to believe there is a dispute between the developers and Unelco which is ongoing in court.  This is totally out of the hands of the council.

    why build another car park when this one is empty?  why dont the council speak with the owners/unelco? surely it is better than spending heaps of money on a 2nd big car park.

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    Re: Meeting with Councillor McKenna?
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  • well this car park business is definitely a sore point with everyone it seems. Maybe one day it will get settled!! I understand that the new car park is being built by the council so it stands a better chance of opening, we hope. Los Gigantes is worse off then Puerto Santiago for spaces. So let the work commence.

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    Re: Meeting with Councillor McKenna?
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  • The great shame in all this is the seeming lack of foresight.

    From what I understand the council are powerless to do much to force the opening of the PS car-park, yet presumably it was they who granted planning permission to the builders at the outset and presumably it is they who would also benefit from income from rates once it was open and operating.  Whilst hindsight is a wonderful thing, where in the permissions is the clause to empower repossesion if not open withing a given time period - that would have fixed it !!

    Much the same with All Inclusive hotels - whilst they may well be bringing in millions of people to the islands generally, there should have been a levy on beds directed toward the local authorities to replace the lost rates from all those restaurants shops and other services which have been forced to close through lack of anyone venturing outside their 4/5 star encampments which in turn would have allowed local authorities to continue to provide local services.

    Such a shame


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    Re: Meeting with Councillor McKenna?
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  • From what I understand the council are powerless to do much to force the opening of the PS car-park, yet presumably it was they who granted planning permission to the builders at the outset and presumably it is they who would also benefit from income from rates once it was open and operating.  Whilst hindsight is a wonderful thing, where in the permissions is the clause to empower repossesion if not open withing a given time period - that would have fixed it !!


    It's the same problem with the abandoned building shells at the entrance to Los G, just down from Colonial Park.  Apparently the Council is powless to do anything about them, despite the fact they are condemmed as unsafe.  This has gone to court in Madrid and the best estimate for a solution is between 1 day and 100 years.  I agree with Mr Max that it seems incredible that the Council do not have the power to step in and take whatever action is needed to resolve issues like these.

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    Re: Meeting with Councillor McKenna?
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  • It's the same problem with the abandoned building shells at the entrance to Los G, just down from Colonial Park.  Apparently the Council is powless to do anything about them, despite the fact they are condemmed as unsafe.  This has gone to court in Madrid and the best estimate for a solution is between 1 day and 100 years.  I agree with Mr Max that it seems incredible that the Council do not have the power to step in and take whatever action is needed to resolve issues like these.

    Well that's a relief then i'm delighted it's been narrowed down to between 1 day and 100 years.  The fact that the "shell" was/is considered "unsafe" i'm not convinced myself, as the shell was built umpteen years ago and is still standing.  Although I have to admit the vast majority of it seems to be held up with a few very slim concrete supports, which if they ever gave way would bring the building down and completely block the entrance road to LG.
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    Re: Meeting with Councillor McKenna?
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  • do the owners of all empty shops and dare i say car parks in the area pay rates to the council if these properties are not open for business?  in the uk, generally you would have to pay 50% on a long term empty building.

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  •  Good point Janey. If the landlords had to pay empty rates then they might be more likely to negotiate  reasonable rents with struggling tenants and to deal with empty properties swiftly . This would have many benefits to the village and to the councils empty coffers.

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    Re: Meeting with Councillor McKenna?
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  • do the owners of all empty shops and dare i say car parks in the area pay rates to the council if these properties are not open for business?  in the uk, generally you would have to pay 50% on a long term empty building.

    I believe that, in Spain, any incomplete building is subject to a special tax and I think this law was introduced recently to try to eliminate the problem of suspended projects.  Maybe someone knows more about this?  The problem is that many abandoned projects and finished properties (e.g. the Royal Sun) are now the property of the banks as the original developers has gone bankrupt.  They form part of the massive "toxic debts" owned by the banks and contibute to the current international financial crisis.  I guess such properties appear as relatively insignificant line items on some bank's balance sheet and, unless taxed heavily as Janey suggests, nothing is likely to happen until there is a significant upturn in the economy.

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    Re: Meeting with Councillor McKenna?
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  • I believe that, in Spain, any incomplete building is subject to a special tax and I think this law was introduced recently to try to eliminate the problem of suspended projects.  Maybe someone knows more about this?  The problem is that many abandoned projects and finished properties (e.g. the Royal Sun) are now the property of the banks as the original developers has gone bankrupt.  They form part of the massive "toxic debts" owned by the banks and contibute to the current international financial crisis. 


    maybe this could lead onto the fact that the banks should not be as quick  to pull the plug and give the struggling owners a little more length of the leash.
    but thats a whole new topic.