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Offline Dolly Diver

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Guard your dog!!
« on: September 24, 2007 »
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  • Did you know that it is illegal to travel with your dog in your car without a net or dog guard between you or your dog?

    A dog safety harness is not enough as one lady found out when the police stopped her and fined her '8070.  The dogs were secure in a proper dog travelling harness but that was not enough.  It is required by law that a net or dog guard must be used.  Even if your dog is a small terrier in the back of an estate car, if you do not have a net in place you could be fined!

    tlg

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    « Reply #1 on: October 08, 2007 »
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  • are these 'nets' widely available to buy and if you have a normal 4 door saloon where would you have to put the net. I'm coming over with my dog next year and just  assumed that he could sit in the footwell or harnessed on the back seat like I do here. Thanks for letting us know that this is not the case.

    Also is the law the same in Tenerife as it is on the mainland whereby you have to carry a warning triangle and that hi-vis vests shoud be displayed on the back of the drivers and passengers seats??

    el observador

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    « Reply #2 on: October 09, 2007 »
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  • Where on Earth would we be without those hard working souls who spend all of their waking hours thinking up new laws to make the world a safer place for us all ?

    Do the dogs need to have fluorescent coats available in case they need to alight from the vehicle to answer a call of nature and, if so, does the warning triangle need to be deployed 150 metres to the rear of the stationary vehicle ?

    The world has indeed gone quite mad !

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    Re: Guard your dog!!
    « Reply #3 on: October 09, 2007 »
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  • Give me a day or two on this.  I am going to email Judith Noble of Asociaci'f3n San Francisco de los Animales to see if she can tell you what the latest ruling is.

    tlg

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    « Reply #4 on: October 09, 2007 »
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  • Thank you - it would be a great advantage to me to know in advance.

    quondam

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    « Reply #5 on: October 10, 2007 »
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  • My dog is extremely well behaved......that is if she hasn't too much ironing to do

    redflash2

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    « Reply #6 on: October 11, 2007 »
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  • How on earth are most of the dog owners here expected to be able to produce a dog guard for the many older cars that they own?  In addition what is a 'net' that is required?  Is it a fishing net?  It all seems to me a load of nonsense!!

    We have been having to go to Uncle Victor regularly recently, and this evening to pick one of the dogs up from an operation and having an rental car at the moment have no chance of a dog guard and we just have to take a chance I reckon!  We were ok.    I think it is just another way of them trying to make money out of us!  The goal posts here are always changing!

    wags

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    « Reply #7 on: October 11, 2007 »
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  • If you want to live here you have to abide by spanish laws

    PUT UP OR SHUT UP !!!

    tlg

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    « Reply #8 on: October 12, 2007 »
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  • wags, do you know what the law is then if so please let us all know !! as everyone seems a bit vague - dolly is looking into and will report back.

    Falstaff

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    « Reply #9 on: October 12, 2007 »
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  • I have had a look on the website of the Foreign and Commonwealth Office and this is the only advice they offer for Spain.

    ldblquote It is a legal requirement for motorists travelling to or transiting Spain to carry two red warning triangles to be placed, in the event of an accident or breakdown, in front of and behind the vehicle.  In addition, drivers must have a spare pair of spectacles (if needed for driving), a spare wheel, and a full set of spare bulbs plus the tools to change them.  If at any time you have to descend from your vehicle due to accident or breakdown, or whilst awaiting the arrival of the emergency services, it is obligatory to wear a reflective jacket.  Failure to do so could result in a heavy fine.dblquote

    http://www.fco.gov.uk/servlet/Front?pagename=OpenMarket%2FXcelerate%2FShowPage&c=Page&cid=1007029390590&a=KCountryAdvice&aid=1013618386442

    I was wondering whether car hire companies in Tenerife all provide the necessary equipment to their clients or are we expected to bring our own spare wheel, bulbs and tools etc.

    Over to you  RentaCar Santiago.

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    Re: Guard your dog!!
    « Reply #10 on: October 12, 2007 »
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  • Whoops Falstaff, something comes to mind about cans and worms.

    tlg

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    « Reply #11 on: October 17, 2007 »
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  • Dolly - Just wondered if you had managed to find anything out  about these nets - thanks.

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    Re: Guard your dog!!
    « Reply #12 on: October 17, 2007 »
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  • Judith is looking into it.  Goal posts here have a habit of moving!

    tanemera

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    « Reply #13 on: October 17, 2007 »
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  • Dolly, please ask Judith to also check if it's a legal requirement on a hire car to have the registration documents.  I have seldom had these, never a jacket, triangles or spare bulbs and sometimes no spare wheel and/or tools to change a wheel.  I keep a jacket and triangles here but the other items must surely be the responsibility of the hirer, if required by law.

    Offline Dolly Diver

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    Re: Guard your dog!!
    « Reply #14 on: October 18, 2007 »
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  • By law you need to carry in your own car:-

    All original car papers, in date insurance + bank receipt of recent payment. Your driving licence, passport or residencia (all must be originals; photocopies are not accepted by the police.
    2 warning triangles, a spare set of bulbs, spare wheel and tools. Fluorescent jackets are also required by law, only 1 I think, but if you brake down on the motorway with 4 people in your car 4 people canquote t share 1 jacket!  We carry 4.  They must be in reach of you in the car and not locked in the boot.

    In a hire car:-The original papers and insurance may be replaced by your rental agreement (can someone clarify this?).  All other items are required by law.


    Many people are not happy about carrying original car documents, driving licence, passport ect.  in the car.  There is a way round this.  Take all your original papers to a notary.  They will photocopy them, sign and stamp them.  The police will accept notarised copies and you can keep your originals in the safe.  It cost me '806 to have a notarised copy of my passport.  It is well worth doing this as getting replacements of these documents can be a nightmare, especially if you canquote t provide a photocopy.

    The above information is to the best of my knowledge, but, as many of us have found out the goal posts here are moved'85. frequently.  If I have given the wrong information please let me know and it will be altered.

    As for dog guards:-  If I have not heard from Judith by the weekend I will visit the local police station and see what they have to say!


    « Last Edit: October 18, 2007 by Dolly Diver »

    tlg

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    « Reply #15 on: October 29, 2007 »
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  • anymore info on these 'dog guards'

    tlg

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    « Reply #16 on: November 05, 2007 »
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  • Dolly - did you ever find anything about the dog nets.

    LaCochinillo

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    « Reply #17 on: November 05, 2007 »
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  • It is also legal if you teach your dog the "prone" position, as indicated here!


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    tlg

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    « Reply #18 on: November 19, 2007 »
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  • Are we any further forward with the law and these guards??

    Offline Dolly Diver

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    Re: Guard your dog!!
    « Reply #19 on: November 19, 2007 »
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  • I am not making much progress on this one.  Nobody seems to be clear what the law is and maybe the lady who was fined should have looked into it before she paid up!

    We must all be aware that it is the run up to Xmas and when you are out on the roads at this time of year there will be more police road blocks than usual. They will have you for every minor offence.  Make sure you have all your original documents etc and get a taxi if you want a drink or two!

    I have a friend who is learning to drive so we are putting the question to the driving school to see what their reply is.

    Will keep you posted
    « Last Edit: November 19, 2007 by Dolly Diver »

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    Re: Guard your dog!!
    « Reply #20 on: November 22, 2007 »
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  • The Lady in question (1st posting in this topic) has been wrongly fined. She was also made to pay on the spot! It has taken me a while to find out exactly what the law is. The following information is from a driving school.

    A dog must be restrained and unable to reach the driver.  If a dog is in the back of your car on a leash preventing him from leaping into the front that is sufficient, and a dog guard or net is not necessary.

    If you are fined endash  for any reason endash  you do not have to pay up there and then to get your discount.  If you pay within 30days you are still entitled to the 30% reduction.  If you do pay up immediately make sure you get a receipt.

    Remember itquote s the time of year when the police are very vigilant!  A friend of mine has just been fined '80150 ('80105 if paid within 30 days) for using his mobile phone while driving!!!

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    Re: Guard your dog!!
    « Reply #21 on: December 05, 2007 »
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  • The following was recieved in an email from Judith Noble, Asociacion San Francisco do los Animales


    I am posting both the original Spanish Law as well as the English translation, by the vetinary college.



    1'aa CUESTI'd3N:ldblquote Perros viajando en coches endash  tipos de restricciones de seguir para cumplir con la leydblquote

     RESPUESTA: En el 'e1mbito espec'edfico de la CCAA de Canarias, los animales vivos se efectuar'e1 en que reglamentariamente se determine, para garantizar su cuidado, salubridad y seguridad, seg'fan la el art'edculo 4.4 Ley 8/1991, de 30 de abril, de Protecci'f3n de los Animales. Entendiendo que su consulta es general y se refiere a los animales de compa'f1'eda b'e1sicamente, le aconsejo que consulte el Cap'edtulo III, del T'edtulo II del Decreto 117/1995, de 11 de mayo, por el que se aprueba el Reglamento de la Ley 8/1991, de 30 de abril, de Protecci'f3n de los Animales y se desarrollan otros aspectos relacionados con los mismos (BOC n'ba 62, de 19 de mayo de 1995). Finalmente, la direcci'f3n general de tr'e1fico proh'edbe que los animales vayan sueltos en el coche o que vayan en el asiento delantero.


    Translation of Answer from the Veterinary College

    ANSWER: In the context specified in the CCAA of the Canaries, animals that are alive are carried out in what per rulings is settled, to guarantee their care, health and safty, as per article 4.4 Law 8/1991, of the 30th of April, of Protection of Animals. Understanding that your consultancy is general and is referred to pets, basically I recommend you that you look up Chapter III, of the Title II of the Decretory 117/1995, of the 11th of May, where the Ruling of the Law 8/1991, of the 30th of April of the Protection on Animals is approved and there are other aspects developed in relation to them (BOC n'ba 62, of the 19th May of 1995).

    Finally, the General Traffic Department forbids that animals are untied in the car or that they are on the front seat.