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Seems to me that this is an easy way of making a living take in some strays  pay your own bills at the same time no need to work ever again ??? ???








What a load of Drivel.....................

itsonlymeagain

Seems to me that this is an easy way of making a living take in some strays  pay your own bills at the same time no need to work ever again ??? ???

Seems to me if that's the way you think then you need say no more. We'll just put you under the banner of "selfish-narrow-minded-rude-arogant-bigot"

Don't judge others by your own low standards!

COULDN'T HAVE SAID IT BETTER MYSELF.    SORRY ABOUT 'SHOUTING' BUT AR**HOLES LIKE THAT NEED SHOOTING.

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mmmm

I'd like to chuck in a few comments, purely as an observation.

It is clear that a well intentioned evening has stirred a hornets nest, but there are a few questions arising.

Is Dingo any more a "registered" charity than the others that do work in our "county".  I don't know, and it appears nobody else is certain either.

Equally, what, if any, are the actual rules under Canarian law for registering a charity, again if any, and perhaps more importantly can an organisation exist outside formal charitable status but act as if it is one.

I have much experience in the UK of all this.  It is the case that an organisation can be established which acts in the manner expected of a charity but which has not gained the necessary status.  This is a much more crucial point.

If the law is similar to that of the UK then any one can operate a venture such as Dingos Dogs to support animals even if it is not formally registered. BUT and this is the crucial part, it still appoints a committee of sorts, utilising people of some standing who administer the organisation under the rules laid down even though it is not formally approved.  That way, if there are ever any concerns expressed, the accounts can be inspected and the activities investigated to demonstrate the validity, or otherwise, of the operation.

I have read elsewhere about Dingos.  It seems to be basically one guy with a bit of land who has dedicated his life to rescuing strays and abandoned animals.  Applaudable.  However, it also appears he supports what he does through busking in Las Americas, and has been the subject of several attacks where, allegedly, poisened meat has been thrown into the pound and so on.

Obviously some people will naturally question the entire operation, the guy's lifestyle and so on.

It is good to see he has much support here, but it is also understandable that a "one-man-band" has come for some critisism too.  Humans are by nature curious and untrusting beings, and, in fairness there have been some nasty deceptions under the banner of charity over the years.

Might I suggest that those who support Dingos get together and work to either obtain charitable status if it doesnt exist, or at least assist through acting as treasurer or whatever the local version of that is, and other posts to oversee what is being done and help the guy to gain the necessary credibility.  It may well be that such support would allow him to dedicate more time to the animals rather than being out on the streets himself to support them by busking.

Surely this would be much more beneficial than spending hours on here slagging each other off?!


sunforfun

I have looked at this thread coming from another forum and I think you need to see this post on there to find out whether Dingos are a registered charity and also this post may be of interest for anyone wanting to see photos of what dingos are about.

I have to say that all the negative opinions on here seem to be either jealousy or extremely bigoted. You choose.

Andy0210

I really didn't want to post again in this thread until Sheila had been on here herself but once again i feel i have to do so, for all the doubters on this message board Sheila and also Judith Noble visited the refuge with myself tonight, they both spent over two hours there, met Phil, met every dog on the rescue and also both of them saw with their own eyes all the official government paperwork to show that Dingos is legal and licensed!
Sheila said she will post accordingly and when she does lets see how many of the people on here that promised to apologise if proved wrong actually do so!


boomboomenrico

Personally I think everyone is totally missing the point.
If anyone finds a stray dog or cat in the Santiago Del Teide area we all call Judith fact,even the police tell us to call Judith,they gave me her number.
So although i am not discrediting Digo dogs AT ALL i worry that it is a bit of a slap in the face to Mrs Noble.
Or do we now call Dingo Dogs when we find a stray or injured animal running around.
It's all very confusing.

amunette

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So although i am not discrediting Dingo dogs AT ALL i worry that it is a bit of a slap in the face to Mrs Noble.

Really? So comments like "Seems to me that this is an easy way of making a living take in some strays  pay your own bills at the same time no need to work ever again" is not discrediting in any way?

« Last Edit: September 22, 2008 by Dolly Diver »

Falstaff

There are obviously many posts in support of Dingo Dogs and I agree with most if not all of them. But I believe that the most important one  and the one that shows how to turn this goodwill into a positive benefit, is the post from Mr Max.

Many charities gain credibility through having patrons- people well respected in the community to vouch for the organisations integrity. A committee of respected citizens to oversee the work of the charity and to monitor its finances would soon remove any suspicions about impropriety. Perhaps some of the more passionate members of the message board  could get involved.  Someone needs to take the initiative to make it happen.

Action is needed not hot air.

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Many charities gain credibility through having patrons- people well respected in the community to vouch for the organisations integrity. A committee of respected citizens to oversee the work of the charity and to monitor its finances would soon remove any suspicions about impropriety

Excuse me Falstaff, but I think the 17 yrs that Phil and co have already been running proves their commitment and credibility. Are you saying they are not "respected citizens" and not capable of overseeing their own charity?  By "respected citizens" I suppose you mean mainstream clothes and hairstyles, not the dreadlocked hippy look ??? Or someone who hangs out with the local bowls/tennis club set?

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No he is not, and neither am I.

The point is this.  I am not qualified to comment on whether Dingos is bona-fide or not, nor frankly it seems are many others who have got involved in this thread.

The fact remains however that if you set yourself up to operate a rescue (or anything else for that matter) on other people's money - through donations and fund raising you have a responsibility to be accountable and open.

True, years and years ago this was less important and operations like this got on with doing their job, but, sadly in today's world life is cruel and scams abound.  Just because you know the guy personally, or for that matter Sheila has been to see him makes no difference.  If you ask the public, tourists or residents, for their money you have a responsibility to keep records of what you do with it.  Witnessing the purchase of dog food in Mercadona isnt good enough.

Those who put his website together should be applauded for their help, but should also understand that it is critical for credibility that his charitable number and other "fiscal" details should have been included at the outset.

Bottom line is that the lack of information surrounding the credibility of the rescue is the problem here.

His charity number should be added to his website immediately, and as above, perhaps one or two of his supporters should offer to become involved on the admin side so that when this kind of thing comes up again, the relevant info can be produced.

You will note by reading other posts on this topic elsewhere that the other animal rescues do have committe members and operate more openly. It is no different to your community - you pay your fees, but you sure as hell want to know what your President has done with them each year at your AGM.

Let common sense prevail.  Let Mr Dingos get on with caring for his animals, and some of those who support his work take charge of the admin.

Fix the website is priority number one

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amunette

Dollydiver has seen the credentials. The only people who seem to have issues with this are those who want to run everything the British way as far as I can see. Most normal people would not care about the legalities, just that the animals are well looked after. You can see from the website that they(the people) clearly are not living the high life on donations.

 This place has existed for years, amongst the Canarian population he is well-known and respected. As you are on a Canarian island, stop dictating how the Canarians should be running their own island.
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Dollydiver has seen the credentials. The only people who seem to have issues with this are those who want to run everything the British way as far as I can see. Most normal people would not care about the legalities, just that the animals are well looked after. You can see from the website that they(the people) clearly are not living the high life on donations.

 This place has existed for years, amongst the Canarian population he is well-known and respected. As you are on a Canarian island, stop dictating how the Canarians should be running their own island.

Sorry... No No and No again!

It has nothing at all to do with running things the British way, or any other way at all, other than the "Above Board" way.  Frankly, the Queen of Sheba can have looked at the credentials and given them the all clear - it doesnt matter a jot.

Something is being operated on donations.  It is right and proper that those who donate have the opportunity to see where their donations have been used, and right and proper that such detail is publically available should anybody have any questions about the legallity or otherwise of a venture.

Had this information been available from the outset, this thread would only be 1 page long.

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amunette

Ummm, all those who wished to see where money was going needed to do was visit the refuge or ASK!!! People jumped on the negative bandwaggon just because it was an "outsider" cause, slagging off and accusing when simple questions, not accusations, plus a bit of patience would have brought the results we now have. The place IS legal and registered. Only petty minded Brits would be so nasty as to suggest otherwise.   

Falstaff

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?This place has existed for years, amongst the Canarian population he is well-known and respected. As you are on a Canarian island, stop dictating how the Canarians should be running their own island?.

?The place IS legal and registered. Only petty minded Brits would be so nasty as to suggest otherwise?.   

I take it that these word are not quotes from the Dingo Dogs website because they wouldn?t look good there. And they don?t look good here.

Should you decide to get involved with the organisation Amunette,  I?d leave the PR and fundraising to someone else.

amunette

LOL, I live in the UK Falstaff, so chance would be a fine thing!! I stand by my words, it IS a minority of petty minded officious Brits making a hoo-ha over this.

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After my visit to the rescue centre last night it struck home to me that this centre clearly needs help and lots of it.

I just stared at a blank computer screen last night, couldn?t find the words, where do I begin. I was so upset by the many sad, some of them horrifying, stories of how these abandoned dogs ended up in Phil?s care ? badly treated by humans!  Phil clearly loves these animals and is doing the best job he can,  working 24/7.

Today it?s manic Monday in the office, but I hope to be able to put the many pictures into a news story later today, and Phil insisted on showing us his paperwork to prove he is legal.  Their web site was donated to them and Phil, not having a computer, was totally unaware of the importance of displaying the information, that will be altered asap.  Phil?s number one priority is the care and feeding of the dogs, all other matters are less important to him so therefore take 2nd place.

stevem

Well I for one am glad you took the time to go up and see the situation Dollydiver.  Now please carry on spreading the word to the few on here whom have somehow missed the point by a GALACTIC margin.

Although I guess the few biggots on here will now crawl under their respective rocks and make a few lizards homeless. Sad, sad people.

May I suggest Mrmax and Boomloser read the comments above. Dingos is a legal and well known charity! But hey, it's beyond the boundaries of Los Gigantes, I guess that's why you didn't know?

By the way, it doesn't matter where you take a homeless dog or cat as long as you know it will be looked after properly!!!!!!

june bleith

Children children,this is by far the most upseting topic I have read.
Everyone having a go at everyone else.Boom loser,do not know at all what the heck that is all about.
It's just one big slanging match,nothing at all now to do with the dogs.
Why is it on here people have to bite all the time & do not rise above stupid accusations & comments.
God help any tourist intending to come here for a nice vacation & read all this bitching 1st.

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Well I for one am glad you took the time to go up and see the situation Dollydiver.  Now please carry on spreading the word to the few on here whom have somehow missed the point by a GALACTIC margin.

Although I guess the few biggots on here will now crawl under their respective rocks and make a few lizards homeless. Sad, sad people.

May I suggest Mrmax and Boomloser read the comments above. Dingos is a legal and well known charity! But hey, it's beyond the boundaries of Los Gigantes, I guess that's why you didn't know?

By the way, it doesn't matter where you take a homeless dog or cat as long as you know it will be looked after properly!!!!!!

My final comment on this matter....

Firstly to stevem

At no time have I personally questioned the legallity or otherwise of the rescue.  At no time have I said it was not well known, I have been aware if it for some time.  At no time have I commented on boundaries and who can or can't operate where or when.

What I have observed is that....

To my knowledge, thus far Dingos has survived through the kind donations of a few and close association with other similar ventures.

NO PROBLEM!

BUT !!!!!

If you are going to embark on a more public face, fund-raising evenings and so on, the lesson here is to ensure you cover your ar*e. 

If you have a charity number then publish it on your website (incidentally in the UK it is illegal not to do so, and I expect the rules are the same here).  Likewise, make sure there is some accountibility by one or two of the very vocal supporters on here and the other forum getting together and helping Dingos through keeping track of what event raises what, where and when, and what it is spent on.

I have not suggested this venture is under hand, nor would I have a problem if some of the funds raised went to support Phil so he doesnt have to busk at night.  I and others have suggested that this should be a lesson learned.

After all, it won't me me or you knocking on the door one day, it will be a couple of scary chaps in green uniforms with guns - then who will feed and house the animals.




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Can I request that this is the last posting in this string.  It has taken me most of this afternoon to get yesterday's visit to the rescue centre into words - the facts as they are.

All the questions have been answered by either Phil from Dingo Dogs or our own Town Hall. http://losgigantes.com/news


amunette

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If you are going to embark on a more public face, fund-raising evenings and so on, the lesson here is to ensure you cover your ar*e.

 ::)  They did not embark on anything, a 15-yr old girl did it in gratitude for them looking after her dogs free until they can travel to the UK now her and her mum have returned to Britain. She arranged the whole thing to raise funds as a thank-you. Please know all the facts before commenting.
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all i want to say is that not all of us lg visitors or residents are narrow minded and good luck to dingo  i went on said date bought a few tickets and wished them the best of luck will support all charities and hope dont need a passport to attend if in another bcouncil border lol ;D

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This will proably not end the thread but neverthless I would like to say thank you to Dolly Diver (and Judith Noble) for taking the time to visit the Dingo Dogs sanctuary and to report accordingly.

I would also like to thank Mr Man for posting his considered opinions on the matter, his input should be taken seriously.

As for Flossie, June Mcloud and Freddy,  they remain bigoted outcasts who have been deservedly castigated on this thread.  If they do live in los Gigantes then I hope I meet them at the Animals Day "do" in Los G on  Sept 4th so I can personally give them a piece of my mind.

If not, amibovvered. ::) ::)

Andy0210

Personally i feel that enough has been posted and justified for the minority involved who promised to apologise and more importantly withdraw their malicious comments to do so.
I for one wouldn't be able to hold my head high on a public forum again if i had done such damage on there like they have.
Flossie, Freddy and also June McCloud now is your chance to regain some respect by admitting you was wrong and putting those wrongs to rights, after all you said some pretty strong things that has aggrieved not only this forum but also a much bigger one with almost 10,000 members.
Come on do the decent thing and apologise or at least say you regret what you said.
I am Vice President of Dingos but i will be in Los Gigantes on the 4th October putting a few euros in the collecting tins for the other animal charities, i don't care where the money goes as i trust they will spend it on the animals in some way shape or form!

Andy0210

What is the saying? The silence is deafening   :-\\ ???

orange

Its not really - The Adminstrator asked that this topic was no longer posted to.

It may as well been locked to prevent further posting...

The PM

No it hasn't, but possibly enough has been said about Dingo Dogs. They do have legal paperwork, they are doing a good job, and it is not making those involved rich, unlike many so say charities.

I personal wish all at dingo dogs all the best.
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Andy0210

Its not really - The Adminstrator asked that this topic was no longer posted to.

It may as well been locked to prevent further posting...

More like it may have been locked as the said people are more likely to apologise than i am to marry one of the Royal Family!
However, as much as it will upset them a lot of good has come out of this, in the last six days almost 200 Kg's of food has been donated to Dingo's Rescue in GUIA DE ISORA
And the best thing is that most of it has come from Los Gigantes!  ;D
« Last Edit: September 28, 2008 by Andy0210 »

Philippa

What a load of palava about nothing.  Does it matter who helps the animals or 'whose area' they are in as long as somebody helps them?  Do all the people who have complained about the raffle actually do anything constructive to help animals?  Were the people who bought the raffle tickets forced to do so?  The answer is probably no to both questions.  Good on Sally at Tipsy Terrace for allowing charities to hold events for everyone.

Philippa Garcia
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Friends of the Animals, Los Gigantes

tommycat

Thanks Philippa - voice of reason.

The big disappointment for me is the bad mouthing posters on this board have never apologised for their ill-informed bile and the owner of this board has not visibly taken them to task.