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amunette

June, why not just apologise for your ill-informed  comments? You were quick enough to jump on the "must be a fake" bandwagon so why not be equally as quick to admit you were wrong? (same for you Flossie and Freddy)

june mcloud

I personally don't think i need to apologise. What i said before i still stand by. I just think the public should be told and informed a little bit better.

polar1920

I and my partner designed and donated the Dingo Dogs website, now some of the gossip mongers on here may or may not know that Phil does not have access to the Internet, and has only seen the work that we have done once or twice.
We created the website blind with no input from him, only the contact numbers. As soon as he tells me the charity number it will be put on the website. If anyone has any questions or comments about the website and its content I suggest that they contact me rather than hide behind a forum.

Also go and see Phil and see the work that he does, see how he lives and cares for the animals. I have been involved with rescue charities both here and in the UK and have been appalled by the way that members of the committees act. In particular I know for a fact about so called committee members stealing donations. Knowing and experiencing all this I would be the first one to shy away from helping a charity that I thought was "dodgy".

You should be ashamed, but to be honest I feel sorry for you, because I fear that you wont be.

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I think that says it all. ???

Might do, but haven't you forgotten to say sorry??

polar1920

Because Freddy, Flossie and June are coming across as the type of people who cannot or will not admit when they are wrong, everyone else is wrong and apologies get stuck in the troat. Sorry if that is wrong but that is the impression you are giving.

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I personally don't think i need to apologise. What i said before i still stand by. I just think the public should be told and informed a little bit better.

June, if you did a little research before hand you would have known who Phil was, and that the other rescue groups are aware of him, and respect what he does. He is a well-known face for the Canarians , so maybe this thread illustrates the need for incoming Brits to get out of their little LG clique and mix more!!

sgd

This is my first posting on your Forum, I guess I should have gone to the Introductions section first, however I have just been made aware of this thread and felt that I had to post a response.

Unfortunatley, you will always get someone criticising the sterling work that Charities do - it happens to even the big ones around the world!

I have known Phil for a number of years now and have visited the Refuge (how many of you have?), it was actually me that wrote the text for his website whilst working with Polar1920 and her Partner and so I do know the struggles that Phil has been through with his Sanctuary.

Phil and Leigh work tirelessly (not sure if that is spelled correctly) for the animals in their care and are very careful how they are rehomed. When you visit the Refuge you can see how much the animals love them both - there is no doubt there.

There are no boundaries when it comes to animal welfare, and although the numerous animal charities on Tenerife all have their own identities we are all doing the same job - caring for the abandoned and stray animals!

K9 Tenerife work with and support many other animal charities as most of you will know, indeed some of our committee members are also committee members with Friends of the Animals with whom we have a very close relationship.  We have held joint events in the past, and attended other charities functions (for example with Aktion Tier-Tierheim Teneriffa) and I know there are more joint events being planned between some of our organisations in the future - I would hope that you will be able to support those events where possible, whichever and wherever these take place!

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I personally don't think i need to apologise. What i said before i still stand by. I just think the public should be told and informed a little bit better.

As you said before and I quote

"So the next time someone finds a cat or dog lets take them to the sports center and leave them there. That's fare i think Flossie."

So if you won't apologise, please do call someone BEFORE you start dumping stray animals in Tipsy Terrace car Park.

flossie

In one of my earlier posts I did say that if I was proved wrong and saw their Charity number and their Fiscal identity number then I would withdraw my statement. 

However, I still believe they should stay in their own area for fundraising and not tread on the toes of the 2 charities here.  Each charity has it in writing exactly where their boundries for fundraising are - that is fact.

Some people will shout me down, some will agree with me, but that is my opinion - that's life.

orange

I love throw away comments - no doubt if you happen to drive and run someone over
- you can open the door and shout that comment.

Boundaries and what people are trying to do - how small minded it that...

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However, I still believe they should stay in their own area for fundraising and not tread on the toes of the 2 charities here.  Each charity has it in writing exactly where their boundries for fundraising are - that is fact.

I am 100% sure the 2 charities based in Santiago del Teide feel very differently. So you are basically saying, no charity should seek donations outside its county/municipal. What if that was implemented for all charities in all countries? How would cancer charities collect? Or RSPCA? Dingos Dogs takes dogs from ALL areas, so why should they not fund raise in all areas?

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Rather than watch the vertically challenged Cheryl (Cashley) Cole on the J Woss show I thought I would check the message board.

Firstly Amunette, thanks for another incisive post.

I've only just seen Flossie's pathetic response.  She's even made a personal slur on another thread about the Green Corner.
 
I think an actual check with the various charities will reveal that, far from putting it in writing that they will not fundraise in each other's areas, they simply have a loose agreement to assume responsibility for animals in trouble within their own loosely defined areas. That, however, does not prevent any of them from trying to help as best they can whenever an animal is brought to them in any kind of distress, wherever they are found. The animal doesn't care where the money comes from. Neither should Flossie or any like-minded petty individuals. I wonder, though, whether it wouldn't go amiss to suggest that animal lovers should find out who June McCloud, Flossie and Freddy (PM me if you do) are and dump unwanted animals on them - except, of course, that that would ensure the animals are no better off than in abandonment.

Is it any wonder that people from the south don't come to Los Gigantes when they must fear they might run into such small-minded people as Flossie, June McCloud and Freddy?

On a positive note it's nice to see so many people sharing my views on the matter, both on hear and face to face, so other like minded people  should do as Andy0210 suggested and do a search for Dingo Dogs on tenerife forum dot com, you'll find the people on there are down to earth and friendly as well as animal lovers like me.

Oh and before I go don't let us forget to support the associacion san fancisco por los animales (Santiago del Teide Branch) on Saturday October 4 in the Plaza in Los G.
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Dolphin Babe  began this thread by saying that,
 
?I am organising a raffle in aid of the
abandoned dogs at Dingo Dogs Sanctuary.
If anyone would like to donate or buy some raffle tickets please contact me.?

So, as I understand it (based on the information posted)  Dingo Dog Sanctuary did not fund raise at Tipsy Terrace. The event was organised by Dolphin babe, a local teenager.  So how can Dingo Dog Sanctuary be ?accused? of fund raising outside its area. If you attend a funeral and you are requested by the family not to buy flowers but donate to the RSPCA, how could anyone describe this as fund raising by the RSPCA?

I could just about understand Flossie?s  ?boundaries? argument if other more local charities were fund raising in the same way, at the same time, at the same place and were loosing out but she has presented no such argument.

But what is absurd about the ?boundaries? issue is that many of the raffle contributors would have been transient British holiday makers. So is Flossie saying that their donations are not welcome in Tenerife on the basis that they should be supporting their local charities in Britain?

Finally, it?s one thing to ask questions about the legality of  someone?s conduct and quite another to say that it?s illegal as Flossie has done without evidence.   

Sorry Flossie, you may be well intentioned  but I think you need to reconsider your position.

itsonlymeagain

I have been directed here from another forum and want to lend my support to DINGO DOGS.
I have been reading throught this thread and can't believe how small minded some people on this forum are.   I live and work in los gigantes, and after reading some of the comments posted, I don't think I want to admit this fact anymore.  I over heard a small group of people badmouthing dingo dogs in one of the local bars.  I didn't say anything at the time, but by god  I wish I had.  Doesn't it really matter who or which charity helps  stray and abused animals, what does matter is that someone does.  If I see collection jars for these causes, I always donate, I don't say to myself  'I can donate  to this one because they are local, but not that one because it's a mile further up the road'  surley commonsense would have these charities and organisations working together for the good of the animals.

I think they all do a good job........friends of the animals,  Live Arico ,Dingo Dogs  and all the others dotted over the island of Tenerife.  And they all need funds just as much as each other........so come on people of Los gigantes,  restore my faith in the area and HELP THEM ALL










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itsonlymetoo

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surely we should give them our support ? not outsiders

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All the money should be kept in the Santiago Del Tedie area.

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I still believe they should stay in their own neck of the woods

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What if myself and a couple of friends got a bored 15yr old to come up with a web site, then we set ourselves up in Los Gigantes square and started to raise money for the local animals.

I am in complete disbelief of these comments quoted above!  ??? How can any ENGLISH members of a CANARIAN community be so insular and prejudiced - and on top of it all think it is perfectly ok to slag off an innocent 15 year old with a good heart who's just trying to make the world a better place? You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

If you are worried about 'poaching' 'encroaching on territory' and people staying in 'their own neck of the woods', then please - lead by example and go back to the UK. Your attitudes are not welcome here.

I live and work with Canarians and I can honestly say you people are what gives all Brits a bad name. I am embarrassed to be from the same country as you.

Unfortunately, my comments will probably fall on your deaf ears as you are already so far up your own backsides that you can look out of your ever so vocal gobs.

Shame on you all.

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Anyone who thinks along the lines of "outsiders", "own neck of the woods" and "poaching"  when living as foreigners on a small island is beyond reasoning with.

Exactly  ::)

As for Dingo's Dogs, they help animals. Surely this is the bottom line? Whether they fund raise in Alcal? or outer Mongolia, what does it matter as long as the dogs are looked after. Bear in mind that there probably wouldn't be half as many abandoned dogs if selfish Brits didn't just leave then and return the the UK on a whim.

I bet flossie now regrets her first reply that opened up this can of worms and showed her true colours, however if she doesn't, I have no hope for her.

Andy0210

I want to say a whole hearted thank you to everyone who has replied to my post on this forum, i am quite happy to put the responses of Flossie, June McCloud and Freddy down to scepticism rather than ignorance, i have invited Sheila aka dolly Diver to come and see the rescue, meet the dogs and also the Phil and Leigh, she has accepted my invitation and we are visiting there tomorrow (sunday 21st) evening.
This is now also an invitation to Flossie, Freddie and also June McCloud to come along, put your own minds at rest, i am quite prepared to meet you, take you up there and show you round the rescue and then we can end this can of worms that you have opened.
It seems to me that since you posted this that you have come in for quite a lot of abuse and this is your chance to rise above it and prove to the outside world that you actually have hearts and come and see the good work that we do on the rescue.
If you accept my invitation then you will realise that you was wrong with what you posted and i for one will be man enough to thank you publicly for coming to see us and put this whole thing to bed.
I am more than happy to drive to Los Gigantes and pick you all up and take you there and drop you off after so personally i can see no reason why you wouldn't accept this invitation from me.
This is also an invitation to Councillor Steve McKenna to come along as well if you wish to bring him!
The ball is now in your court, for the sake of the Ex-Pat community in Tenerife please prove them wrong and accept this invitation and you can start to repair the damage you have done to Los Gigantes and the community that lives there.
Please Pm me if you want to visit or call me on 630900119 after 14.00 hrs sunday!
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I will have spaces in my car if anyone would like a lift you can call me on 637819204. after 2pm

I doubt I will be able to get in touch will Councillor McKenna on a Sunday but I will try. I know he opens the Chicken Shack at 7pm.
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I will have spaces in my car if anyone would like a lift you can call me on 637819202. after 2pm

I doubt I will be able to get in touch will Councillor McKenna on a Sunday but I will try. I know he opens the Chicken Shack at 7pm.

You could always take Flossie, June and Freddy ....and leave 'em up there ;D ;D

boomboomenrico

I have been reading this post with interest but it seems to me that this is not a legal charity .

tommycat

I have been reading this post with interest but it seems to me that this is not a legal charity .

Does it matter? Surely its the outcomes that matter - saving dogs  What point are you trying to make?

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I have been reading this post with interest but it seems to me that this is not a legal charity .

Gah!!!! "bangs head on wall"

 >:(   >:(  >:(  >:(

Even if it is not legal, the fact remains they are helping animals, which is IMO far more important than some legal bit of paper with a number on it.

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Flossie I'm with you, a  friend of mine spoke to stephen mckenna, he said he would look into it.

Taking his time isn't he?!! If this comment was true in the first place that is, which I doubt. I am sure Steve knows about Phil and DD as not only has he, Steve, lived here for years, his partner is Canarian, and most Canarians I know are well aware of them(Phil + DD).

stevem

I have been reading this post with interest but it seems to me that this is not a legal charity .

It seems to me if you have just read the thread and jumped to that VERY badly formed opinion based on the narrow minded opinion of Freddy, Flossie and June. If that is the case then you sir, are either blind or plain stupid. Alternatively you have just read a few posts and do not understand the "informed" opinions on this thread. You have instead, read the sad and pathetics on here such as Freddy, Flossie and June!  Step away from the keyboard and get a life.

Dolphinbabe, ignore these sad idiots who have nothing better to do with their lives.

Well done and keep up the good work!! You are a perfect example to all 15 yr olds out there!

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Traitors in the camp!

I understand that staff at Highland Paddy have donated some of their tips to Live Arico, good on ya guys and gals but don't let Flossie, June or Freddy know about this as they might come in and trash your bar.

Oh s&*t, I just told 'em. ::) ::) ::)
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I have a wild animal recue centre in the UK and we are always struggling for funds, we are not registered as a charity because we need to turn over ?5,000 a year to do so, yet if we had this amount coming in we wouldn't need to be a charity, so it's a catch 22.
I say good luck to Dingo Dogs it is a constant struggle to make ends meet and we often put in money from our own pockets to keep going.
People do give us some donations and it is all marked down and used for the benefit of the animals, believe me every single penny counts.
If no body gave simply because we are not registered we would have to close and that would be a real shame.
Anyone who gives up their time to help animals deserves support, because I know how hard the work is and how heartbreaking some cases are, perhaps the doubters could go along and see how hard these people work, and maybe give a helping hand instead of complaining.

boomboomenrico

Seems to me that this is an easy way of making a living take in some strays  pay your own bills at the same time no need to work ever again ??? ???

boomboomenrico

Oh by the way mary this is not the UK

stevem

Seems to me that this is an easy way of making a living take in some strays  pay your own bills at the same time no need to work ever again ??? ???

Seems to me if that's the way you think then you need say no more. We'll just put you under the banner of "selfish-narrow-minded-rude-arogant-bigot"

Don't judge others by your own low standards!

tommycat

Seems to me that this is an easy way of making a living take in some strays  pay your own bills at the same time no need to work ever again ??? ???

shame on you - be careful you don't type anything libellous me old little cyberwarrior cocker

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Actually I work full time and and am in a position to take in animals because of this.
I have never taken a penny from donations at all and it would never enter my head to do so, Obviously it has occured to you but then that says more about you than me.
If you feel it is an easy way to make a living perhaps you could set up your own sanctuary, earn yourself lots of money and get some respect because at the moment you have very little from me or anyone else.