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leo_london

Re: All too quiet ...
« Reply #90 on: September 13, 2007 »
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  • I thought this may be of interest, its from a blog by a local...

    August 28, 2007.
    Finally itquote s official, any bar, restaurant or business owner could have told you that Tenerife tourism has been on the slide for the last few years, now official government figures confirm that.
    The number of foreign (non Spanish) tourists for the first 6 months of this year was down by 4.3% for the whole of Tenerife. Thatquote s a drop of 94,000 less visitors made up of 51,000 Brits, 23,000 Scandinavians and 19,000 Germans. Breaking that down in the main resorts of the south, thatquote s a loss of 3.8% in Adeje and 3.7% in Arona. Even now the Cabildo (Tenerife government) is complacent. The minister for Industry, Tourism and Commerce, Jose Manuel Bermudez, tried to put some spin on the figures by saying that they looked bad because there were record highs for the same 6 months last year.
    The picture is the same across the 7 Canary Islands with a drop of 200,000 overall and only Fuerteventura bucking the trend with a rise of 32,000.


    By the way, why is it so quiet in here lately ?

    Falstaff

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    « Reply #91 on: September 13, 2007 »
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  • Itquote s not over yet but it looks like it is going to be a bad year for Tenerife - but not for the other islands.

    http://www.thetenerifesun.com/#3

    ldblquote Tenerife appears to be taking the brunt of the general decline in tourism. Figures for the other islands and the mainland remained fairly stable with a drop of 0.7 per cent. That compares with Tenerifequote s overall drop of 4.2 per cent, just short of three million visitors, in the year to the end of July.dblquote

    "The Cabildo admitted that July itself saw a fall of 12,000 visitors endash  a drop of 2.9 per cent on last yearquote s figure for the same period."

    "We have '85.. been listening to the groans of anguish coming from those serving the British sector of the tourist industry, the British restaurants, caf'e9s and entertainment
    bars. There is no joy for them in knowing that Spanish tourism has increased if itquote s at the expense of the British market. They donquote t want to hear excuses about losing out to other European destinations served by low cost airlines. They know that already.

    What they want is a clear strategy to attract Brits back to Tenerife ... a  plan. Any plan rather than a stream of excuses placing the blame elsewhere. When they blitzed the trade fairs in Madrid and Barcelona, the tourist board took their eye off the ball in northern Europe and now itquote s come back to haunt them ... and us.dblquote

    Out of curiosity, I wonder where Tenerifequote s British residents go for their holidays and why?

    RoyL

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    « Reply #92 on: September 15, 2007 »
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  • As I have said before, the British guvmint and the EU directives have screwed the Canary Isands for tourists. Families with school age kids can no longer come on holiday outside of school term time. Add to that the airlines know this and double (or even treble in some cases) the cost of flights during school holidays and all of the extra tax and costs on flights and you can see what the problem is. If you dont believe me, check out what happens to the cost of flights on 19th October compared to the weeks before. I was going to pop over with my missus and one of our grandchildren on the 19th but flights are so extortionate that we finished up getting a package to Marbella for half the cost of flights alone to Tenerife.
    By all accounts it is set to get even worse, as the greenies are all clamouring for massive price hikes on flights "to save the planet" from the latest bogeyman, global warming.
    Myself, I dont deny that global warmng is happening but I think that its part of a natural solar cycle and that anything we do will not make one jot of difference.

    gooner74

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    « Reply #93 on: September 15, 2007 »
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  • I totally agree Roy. Global warming is a natural phenomenon and ther isn't much we can do about that. I think that governments (especially ours!) are using it as an excuse to tax us even more than we already are. I fly to Newcastle from Stansted sometimes to visit family and I can get a flight with Easyjet for as little as 'a33.99! Until that is the government put another 'a317 on top! >:(

    el observador

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    « Reply #94 on: September 15, 2007 »
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  • Spot on Roy !
    I am at present limited to school hols flights and have just booked up for out April visit. Flight prices by all carriers are hiked up extortionately. We are paying about a grand for three economy seats. As you rightly say there are packages to other places for a lot less than that. I also fear the green lobby and the extra taxes which will surely follow. I am also fairly sure that the extra money will go into the main coffers and will not be spent on environmental issues. Another tax at the end of the day.

    Money aside (!!!) we love the area and the friends we have made so will keep coming back whilst we can. Not much changes which is why it feels so much like 'home from home'.

    obs

    RoyL

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    « Reply #95 on: September 15, 2007 »
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  • You are right el obs, I feel like a traitor deserting los G. But I will be back next year flights permitting. Its a shame for the grandchildren though, I fear we will have to come on our own outside of school holiday time. No way will I pay what they are asking. I hope their b***dy flights run at a loss! Robbing b******s. Sorry about that, but I am still fuming about it as you can tell. Meanwhile I will carry on doin the lottery....

    quondam

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    « Reply #96 on: September 15, 2007 »
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  • This will not be of much help to people who live in the UK or those who just can't stand airports BUT for those who own here, or live here like I do, then with 50% residents' discount on flts between here and mainland Spain, you light like to conside using say Easy Jet from the UK to Madrid then say Air Europa from Madrid to Tenerife.

    Doing it this way and leaving the UK (Luton) on Oct 19 and returning on Oct 29, a return ticket works out at 168 quid all in.

    A return flight with Monarch on same dates is 542 quid, now who is taking the p*** >:( 

    quondam

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    « Reply #97 on: September 15, 2007 »
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  • Forget some of that last message, I've just gone back onto the Monarch site and the price has gone up to 557 quid, if you come often enough it would be cheaper to buy yer own Bl****y plane >:(

    el observador

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    « Reply #98 on: September 15, 2007 »
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  • Yes indeed amigos, we could consider buying ourselves a plane like Mr Abramovich but not quite in the same league - which is why these high prices do hurt. I had a good look around several of the airlines own sites and a couple of the comparison sites but nothing is cheap !
    Being based in the south (of the UK) we can access any of the London airports but there is not much to choose between them. I looked at one BA  / Iberia price which went via Amsterdam and Madrid (who would ?) and that was in the region of 'a31700 per head for a 10 hour journey. No thanks !!
    I have also found a problem with prices increasing during the online booking process - that is a jolly nuisance too. never know if it is best to book early and pay up or leave it until the last minute and face not getting a booking at all. Difficult to do with planned hols for the family.
    I am also fairly sure that the cheap 'headline' prices of some won't be valid during hols times.

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    Re: All too quiet ...
    « Reply #99 on: September 15, 2007 »
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  • \\if looking on ba where except school holidays prices are not to bad but beware they change at different times of the day midday till 2pm they increase and 10pm till midnight to catch the oh what the hell mob!

    sebastian

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    « Reply #100 on: September 16, 2007 »
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  • What ever the price you need to get your fix surely its worth it ????

    elroddis

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    « Reply #101 on: September 20, 2007 »
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  • Just a note with regard to the flight prices.

    I have just booked for 3 weeks from 19 Dec to 9 Jan with Ryanair from East Midlands to TFS for 'a3165.00 per person return.  Thomsonfly for similar dates were over 'a3500 each, although if you can manage to book the low cost airlines as soon as the flights go on sale you are on to a winner.  I booked Doncaster to TFS with Thomsonfly for my mother in law for just over 'a370 return for 4 weeks from 11 Dec to 8 Jan.
    Best bet when searching is to look via www.skyscanner.net and make sure you subscribe to all the airline newsletters which will inform you in advance of the flights going on sale.
    I can't wait to get out there.
     ;D


    Falstaff

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    « Reply #102 on: September 22, 2007 »
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  • You are quite right about getting flights cheaper if you book when they first become available. I picked up some very cheap flights for Christmas when Ryanair first announced their flights to Tenerife South and they have increased considerably since. Perhaps the easiest way to find out about new flights is to set up a Google email alert using the search terms, ldblquote Tenerife Flightsdblquote . But restrict the service to ldblquote Newsdblquote  type items to filter out the junk.

    http://www.google.com/alerts

    Offline dablar

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    Re: All too quiet ...
    « Reply #103 on: September 23, 2007 »
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  • and the exchange rate falling to 135 won't help.

    Jo Leon

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    « Reply #104 on: September 24, 2007 »
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  • I have been reading this post with great interest. I am a young male of 24 yrs who has Spanish family on the island so probably have more interest in the current state of Los Gigantes & Puerto Santiago than most.

    My father owns El Dique Restaurante (2nd from the end) on the Log Gigantes harbour and I have seen dramatic changes in customers/visitors over the summer months (July & August) over the last 6/7 years.

    He went from having a big menu with losts of interesting choices including typical Canarian dishes to a smaller pizza/chips menu because it was what people wanted, although this Summer he did revert back to a few more interesting dishes of choice (those who have eaten there or walked past may have noticed!).

    Also, my uncle & Aunt own Bar Torreon in Santiago and they have also been afected by the Barcelo's decision to go All Inclusive with people going in to the Bar to Watch the Football and returning to the Hotel at Half Time for a drink - the Cheek of it! Hence less custom.

    From a personal point of view on Entertainment, I pressume we are probably the youngest on here. My girfriend (20) and I do not feel there is that much choice for us either - thats maybe because we are extremely picky, we do not want Las Americas we can assure you and the likes of Route 66 and the Highland Paddy's are very down market.

    I did like the new Milky's bar in Santiago (Apologies I can not remember the new name of it!) the Green Corner seems nicer when its quiter and I will always have a soft spot for Kareoke.

    A nice upmarket wine/champagne bar with chillout sofa's & chilled sounds would be my preferred choice but then again I think I'm dreaming of a more exotic location altogether! 

    Just thought I would put my 2 pennies worth in and hopefully try and show that not all young un's want Las Americas style nights or down market hols! But Los Gigantes, Puerto Santiago & Playa La Arena all need to do something as the signs are it will only get worse!

    Offline janey

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    Re: All too quiet ...
    « Reply #105 on: September 24, 2007 »
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  • you are dead right!!!

    why doesnt your aunt and uncle turn their bar into a wine bar?  they are in a great spot, i think it needs one to take the plunge and the rest would follow....

    i've been saying this for years!!!

     8)

    Jo Leon

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    « Reply #106 on: September 24, 2007 »
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  • In fairness I don't think there bar is too bad, well chilled out when we were there in July, it was just too quiet. Then again I suppose I am biased - what do others think of their bar? What would you want to see more of or changed?

    I don't think it would make much difference if they did change it at the moment with it being so quiet and the people that were there seemed to love the down market entertainment of Route 66/Highland Paddy's etc.

    Fair play to these places, they seemed to be doing well whether its due to lack of choice or they are genuinely liked they are just not my cuppa - maybe that will change as we get older and have a family but at the moment we prefer swanky places - perhaps I'm guilty of wanting a home from home in terms of bars etc. just like the Kareoke/Fish & Chip brigade that I have been talking about!?

    LaCochinillo

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    « Reply #107 on: September 24, 2007 »
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  • re flights, literally just booked for December and managed 'a3323 for two with BA, but club class out! We try and avoid school hols mainly because of prices, fortunately we can!

    A chill out bar in LG itself would be great, but where? I'm sitting on our terrace at the moment, with two distinct bars in LG competing noise wise. Fortunately, I have a bottle of good red wine (not counting the empties), some nice jazz/blues in the background (currently Eva Cassidy) and nobody complaining about my dress sense (or lack of it) ... downside is I have to do the washing up (and the cooking)

    Cheers!!! ;D ;D







    Jo Leon

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    « Reply #108 on: September 25, 2007 »
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  • LaCochinillo thats just showing off!

    I'm not 100% sure where to be honest, a terrace is exactly what I have pictured though!

    Also, I spent most my time as a kid in the Arcade on Los Gigantes marina, I know this contradicts the upmarket chilled out vibe I am trying to push now but for family's I can't imagine that there's not much for the kids to do once dinner has been eaten! I am the only one who misses it!?   

    LaCochinillo

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    « Reply #109 on: September 25, 2007 »
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  • Looking at the current state of the Marina, the far end is beginning to look like a ghost town. Looks like about a third of the shops|restaurants are empty.

    I think the format of the "chill out bar" itself has been covered a few times, I would still go for where "Oh la la" used to be close to the entrance of the marina through.

    I notice that the important part of of renovating the Marina has been completed, the security guard now has a nice little box to live in along with two cctv cameras.

    Incidently, ate some of the Tapas at the friendly Dolphin the other day, well worth a try!

    And yes .. I miss the arcade as well, although my accuracy on the "Time Crisis" game was far from excellant .. oh well, maybe there was some alcohol in that sangria I ordered.



    borris

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    « Reply #110 on: September 26, 2007 »
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  • Any one else heard of the lunatic plan to only allow resident parking in los gigs? If what I have heard is true then no amount of cheep  flights will save los gigs. The powers that be seem hell bent on finishing off the place, if put into force, then no unauthorized vehicles would be allowed into the village. You would be required to park your car or hire car outside and be bussed in. Now this may just be the village gossip machine gone mad, but I am told there is a document going around that explains it all. Anyone got a copy please send it to borrisydorris@losgigntes.com.

    Before the last elections as i recall there was a guarantee from then councilor to be Steve Gerald that a new car park was to be built by Poblado Marinero which would put an end to the problems of parking in the village, without crazy measures to ensure the death of the place.

    In my view, for what it's worth  The only things that will save Tenerife in general is the introduction of truly cheep flights and an end to all inclusive hotels (like that's going to happen) but at least a reduction.
    « Last Edit: September 26, 2007 by Dolly Diver »

    Falstaff

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    « Reply #111 on: September 30, 2007 »
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  • This is just the sort of publicity that the west coast of Tenerife needs. Maybe
    there will be a knock-on benefit for Los Gigantes.

    Taken from the Travel section of todayquote s Sunday Times.

    "The 13 hottest hotels for winter sun.

    Are you sitting down? Tenerife is becoming trendy endash  or, more particularly, the Abama is. Itquote s a huge, glitzy resort on the less touristy west coast, with a spa from the team behind Thailandquote s Chiva-Som and 10 restaurants presided over by a chef with three Michelin stars. Despite glowing reports, some sceptics still sneered. Now, Abama is about to receive the hospitality industryquote s equivalent of a course of steroids endash  Ritz-Carlton, a luxury chain famed for its exacting standards, has taken over the management. As R-Cquote s methods have no harmful side effects, and the Canaries are just a four-hour flight away, wequote re already getting pumped updblquote .



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    Re: All too quiet ...
    « Reply #112 on: September 30, 2007 »
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  • and......

    also in todays sunday times.....

    affects of el nino  (you know the weather system which gave us such a rubbish summer here in uk), will still be felt this winter worldwide....

    but giving more rain and cloud to caribbean, s.africa, seychelles, mauritius  and giving the canaries....

    SCORCIO!!!   ;D ;D ;D

    another plus for tourists! ;)

    NikkiGQ

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    « Reply #113 on: October 01, 2007 »
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  • Hi all
    Try :

    www.skyscanners.net

    Execellant for flight finding.

    ciao for now.
    xxxx

    magsnmike

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    « Reply #114 on: October 03, 2007 »
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  • I have just returned from a week in Nerja on the Costa del Sol. Too big, busy and noisy. It reminded me of why I love coming back to LG/PS so often.

    It is a jewel in the Canaries and such a shame people are not visiting in great numbers.

    In reply to Jo Leon, I have visited Bar Torreon many times over the years and its one of my favourite little places to chill. Your aunt and uncle should insist the cheeky devils buy a drink if they wish to watch their t.v for sport.  Maybe just changing the seating slightly would be a great help to them in the lounge area.

    Roll on 28th December when we will be back.