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leo_london

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« Reply #60 on: August 23, 2007 »
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  • Janey..." so, i think we should be spreading the word of this lovely area of natural beauty which is worth twice that of its neighbours further south.... !! "

    Well said, the posts from Linda and yourself have certainly made me look foward to my visit.  :)
    However, I still think it will be difficult to attract large numbers of new visitors to LG when the image of Tenerife itself is negative. The beautiful island of Cyprus will suffer long-term because of the quick bucks being made in resorts like Aya Napa. Ibiza sold-out long ago to the " delights " of  San Antonio..most of that Island is wonderful but its image has been tainted.
    With regard to renting, I am not familiar with the cost of properties in LG. But a net return ( from rental income ) of around 8% sounds a decent incentive..or am I completely wide of the mark ?
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    NikkiGQ

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    « Reply #61 on: August 26, 2007 »
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  • Okay Lets set things into perspective !!! WE NEED TOURISM !

    Timeshare DOES work, it brings people back year after year, or their guests, or exchanges, so stop slagging it off !!!

    If all private owners take the attitude to not rent out, then thats less money in the area !!! we need the money to turn over.

    Local people, workers, are really feeling the pinch ! Staff hours are being dropped, contracts are not being re-newed !
    Bars and restaurants are closing down ( A few going further south to try their luck down there)

    Los Gigantes is falling into a ghost town, if this situation doesnt stop soon, it will become a village for pensioners !

    Residents who constantly complain about noise need to buy EARPLUGS, or move out !!! go further up the hills.

    US  normal people who pay mortgages and constantly work to pay them are having a nightmare to even sell apartments to get out of this mess !!! :o :o :o

    The area needs TLC, we need the entertaiment bars, the noisey tourism, because we cant live on the measly amount spent by local residents. Los Gigs is on a slippery downward slope, NOT all of us have the luck to live here and not have to work. IF ONLY  :o :o :o

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    « Reply #62 on: August 26, 2007 »
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  • Here we go - no offence meant by any of the following remarks.

    This discussion started off about LG - thats Los Gigantes!  I'm sorry but there  are MAJOR differences between LG and the rest of the coastal strip up to Varedero - primarily the fact is that LG is, in the main, all privately owned and there are relatively few owners who fancy taking the risk in letting out their places to "the public". 

    Those who have owned in LG for some years have become happy with the relative peace and quiet of the village and therefore the bars and outside entertainment establishments have had to adapt to switching off by midnight.

    The more "private accomodation" built and sold in LG to private owners the quieter it will become and so the circle will continue.

    Restoring the Royal Sun is a great idea - selling it off to private owners is not, if an injection of new blood and money is what is needed.  It will do nothing for the area as most of the owners will not rent out privately.

    PS and Arena are busy - the restaurants and bars are busy (relatively) because there are Tourists around and there are tourists because there are economical appartments for them to stay in which are marketed by the tour companies.

    LG is residential now, there are no two ways about it.  The result of this progressive change is that those who can afford to visit will still do so by renting privately from the few who let out their appartments.  As a consequence though, there will also be fewer  places to eat in LG itself, fewer places to be entertained in LG itself and those that do survive will only do so through having to charge more (in some cases a lot more) than those outside the village.

    There will be less employment for those of us who do need to work and the busses will continue to ship people in and out to the harbour without stopping elsewhere.

    So, what is to be done for LG itself?

    Leave it alone and allow it to become almost entirely residential (in which case please knock that pig-ugly hotel that blocks the views down!).

    Lay down some rules for those who use the harbour for their excursions but don't allow any time for the punters to visit the village?

    Prevent the Royal Sun from being redeveloped into private accomodation and only allow its restoration if it is to be more than, say, 50% full for 100% of the year.

    I dunno - all I do know is that it will get quieter, more insular and more expensive as each year passes unless something drastic is done - and maybe those that live there don't want anything drastic done.........





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    Re: All too quiet ...
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  • Restoring the Royal Sun is a great idea - selling it off to private owners is not, if an injection of new blood and money is what is needed. It will do nothing for the area as most of the owners will not rent out privately.

    PS and Arena are busy - the restaurants and bars are busy (relatively) because there are Tourists around and there are tourists because there are economical appartments for them to stay in which are marketed by the tour companies.


    Lay down some rules for those who use the harbour for their excursions but don't allow any time for the punters to visit the village?

    Prevent the Royal Sun from being redeveloped into private accomodation and only allow its restoration if it is to be more than, say, 50% full for 100% of the year.


    i agree with a few things you say mr max, but not the above points - you seem to think that the tour operators will take resposibility for bringing tourists in, well they wont!!! tour operators need to take a lot of apartments in the same place 'on contract' so that they can put it in a brochure.  they will not foot the bill for these apartments they have on contract if they dont fill them. if they have not sold say 7 days prior to departure date, they will just give them back to the apartment owners/managers/ hoteliers.  this does not suit any apartment blocks in the area except tamaimo tropical in ps.   they will not take on the royal sun.  ken boot ran the royal sun through tour operators because he was a travel agent/tour operator in uk and therefore could do it.

    the only way the royal sun will be developed is the same as gigansol, balcon etc and that is to sell privately. but many owners will let their apartments at a decent price.  that should bring in money as usually visitors staying in apartments will eat out in the evening!  its a bit chicken and egg at the moment, visitors to the area dont want a ghost town so wont revisit, but, we have a lot to offer so if the areas are busy and buzzy visitors will come back!!  i do think lg is shooting itself in the foot, and, the rest of the area is leaping ahead and that is a shame, but only the harbour owners in lg can save lg in my eyes!!!

    so i am looking forward to royal sun being developed and sold! with all these new complex's, there will be new blood coming into  the area and i think we are just around the corner from the area being great again!  i noticed it very busy this summer, much more than the past few years.

    we dont need to depend on the tour operators!!  also i do think you are right in your idea that buses should not come into the harbour on trips without having a 'minimum stay' time, i think many people would love to have a walk around after a boat trip to explore (and spend money!!) for an hour or two!!


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    « Reply #64 on: August 26, 2007 »
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    i agree with a few things you say mr max, but not the above points - you seem to think that the tour operators will take resposibility for bringing tourists in, well they wont!!! tour operators need to take a lot of apartments in the same place 'on contract' so that they can put it in a brochure.  they will not foot the bill for these apartments they have on contract if they dont fill them. if they have not sold say 7 days prior to departure date, they will just give them back to the apartment owners/managers/ hoteliers.  this does not suit any apartment blocks in the area except tamaimo tropical in ps.   they will not take on the royal sun.  ken boot ran the royal sun through tour operators because he was a travel agent/tour operator in uk and therefore could do it.

    the only way the royal sun will be developed is the same as gigansol, balcon etc and that is to sell privately. but many owners will let their apartments at a decent price.  that should bring in money as usually visitors staying in apartments will eat out in the evening!  its a bit chicken and egg at the moment, visitors to the area dont want a ghost town so wont revisit, but, we have a lot to offer so if the areas are busy and buzzy visitors will come back!!  i do think lg is shooting itself in the foot, and, the rest of the area is leaping ahead and that is a shame, but only the harbour owners in lg can save lg in my eyes!!!

    so i am looking forward to royal sun being developed and sold! with all these new complex's, there will be new blood coming into  the area and i think we are just around the corner from the area being great again!  i noticed it very busy this summer, much more than the past few years.

    we dont need to depend on the tour operators!!  also i do think you are right in your idea that buses should not come into the harbour on trips without having a 'minimum stay' time, i think many people would love to have a walk around after a boat trip to explore (and spend money!!) for an hour or two!!


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    You misunderstand - I never said the tour operators will take responsibility for filling a resort like the Royal Sun, what I was saying is that if it is redeveloped privately there is no chance for them to take any options on any rooms (whether they eventually fill them or not) and that is bad for tourism - IF it is tourism the village actually wants.

    In any case as I understand it, the decision has already been made to redevelop it privately and sell the appartments off.

    The real question here is that once it is sold off will the owners want to rent them out - or to be more precise, will ENOUGH owners want to rent them out to put back the million or so Euros lost from the local economy.  

    I dont know the answer to that, but from everything posted so far in this thread it would seem that a significant number of owners dont want the hassle of the repairs and wear and tear renting involves, AND those that do let are faced with sky-high flight costs which is pushing much of potential business away.

    It is also the case that Gigansol is still essentially empty and there are still unsold appartments at Balcon.  Adding another 150 to the already huge list of For Sale's in the area isn't going to do much for Tourism IF it is tourism that LG actually wants !

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    Re: All too quiet ...
    « Reply #65 on: August 26, 2007 »
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  • NikkiGQ,
                 I take offence at your comments about pensioners. I live here and much of my two pensions is spent in Los Gigantes and I would suggest that there are many so called pensioners who also fall into a similar category. So I would ask you to think before sounding off.

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    Re: All too quiet ...
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  • Mr max I agree with most things you said except the bit about the council flats or the pig-ugly hotel as you put it. if the village was to lose it. look what damage it would do to the three business's that need it to survive.  tj's domingos and the cake shop three more business down the swanie.,
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    Re: All too quiet ...
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  • maps - I was being a little sarcastic in my remark about the hotel (hence the brackets and exclamation mark!)

    However, it is an all inclusive and I wonder just how many guests do venture outside in comparison to the number staying there - probably not that many very often.  Isn't it the hotel that has complained about TJ's the most over the years anyway?

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  • When did the hotel go all inclusive?

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    Apple

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  • The Hotel is not all inclusive!! It is half board. I know many people that stay in the Hotel that escape and spend a lot in the bars and restaurants.  Also, there is just a small minority that complain about the noise ftom Tj's. We have always supported the bars and the 'outside' entertainment mainly because the entertainment in the Hotel is rubbish. A view that a lot of people have always had. It's not fair to blame the Hotel, without it there would be even less business in the town!

    wags

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  • Apple it's a village not a town, and as for the hotel well you gotta be HALF BOARD to go there

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    « Reply #71 on: August 26, 2007 »
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  • OK

    My apologies - it is indeed a half-board hotel, serving bloomin great big breakfasts (with Champaign apparently!) and even bloomin-er 5 plus course dinners with the Head Waiter shaking your hand every meal-time (or if you are a lady kissing you!).

    However, I stand by the question I asked which was - having paid their prices would you skip many meals in favour of eating out in a local restaurant - some will yes, but not that many and certainly not enough to help keep the local restaurants open most of whom are some 60% down on business this year compared to last.

    The above still doesnt detract from the fact that it is ugly!

    Sadly though, so far you guys are missing the point(s) that have been made above.

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    wags

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  • Mr max wot will the neighbours say?

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  • shudder to think

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  •  ;D they wont be saying a lot if he serves you champaigne....... :-\\

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  • I'm not getting on the wrong side of Lady Wags thats for sure ;D

    wags

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  • I did get on the wrong side once, and fell off the end of the bed

    wags

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  • ;D they wont be saying a lot if he serves you champaigne....... :-\\
    I'll have crispy bacon hard fried eggs and brown sauce please, so i can watch Tomas and his brother fight over the same bloke.

    leo_london

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    « Reply #78 on: August 27, 2007 »
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  • Things sound so gloomy over there ! .. I think I'll cancel and go to Bournemouth.  ;)
    I do agree with the conclusion reached by Mr Max..you are the residents, you have to decide what YOU want for the future. Look around the rest of Europe, there are many relatively quiet holiday villages ( or small towns ) who not only survive, but actually thrive from tourism.
    You have to be realistic. Los Gigantes will never appeal to families with small children. It will not appeal to the club 18-30 brigade, unless you are prepared to change it beyond all recognition and suffer the consequences. That still leaves a lucrative market for affluent young ( and not so young ) professional  couples, the more discerning singles... and of course older folk.
    I am surprised to hear that so many private apartment owners can afford to buy and just leave their properties empty. I know a few affluent " owners abroad "..they all rent for a substantial number of weeks per year.

    Anyway, you cant put me off, I'm still coming to spend some time in your ghost town..and we'll be eating and drinking out every night, if there are any bars/restaurants left when we get there.  :)

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  • dont be put off!!!  if its quiet in los gigs, it'll be busy in ps, and vica versa!!!

    enjoy yourself - at least theres sunshine! ;D

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  • Leo it's not as bad as being made out, when eating out make sure you go to juan Carlos you nor your Mrs will be disappointed happy hols :D
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    Annie

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  • We are staying at the hotel in November for the first time.Always in the past(ten years} we have rented an apartment.
    Our reason for change is that although we still love coming to Gigantes it has become increasingly difficult to find an apartment that suits us. So many that we have stayed in the past have either changed hands and are no longer let out or have been forced to withdraw their apartments for rental by other owners in their group of apartments . We do like to rent a nice apartment with good furnishings and are prepared to pay more for quality.
    Whether we will be happy staying in the Hotel remains to be seen. Yes it can only be booked on a half board basis but we intend to eat out every lunchtime and some evenings as we have a few favourite restaurants.

    With regard to cafes /bars on the harbour we particularly like to lunch there sometimes but think it is spoilt by the amount of cars parked alongside and wish this strip could be pedestrianised except say for deliveries.

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  • That's a great idea Annie to remove all cars, bet you it never happens though
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    leo_london

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  • Janey, Maps..Thanks, I'm sure it will be great.  :)

    Reading various different posts, one thing puzzles me, never having been there. A marina anywhere usually equals money, well-heeled people with cash to spend..has it been allowed to decline ?.. and if so, Why ?

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  • the marina is privately owned though for public use.  there is a bit of a 'to do' going on with the owners etc at the moment. 

    no money has ever been re invested into modernising, or just basically keeping on top of the harbour/marina.   it could be a very pleasant place to eat, drink, meet friends etc but, it is very very neglected..... the rents are practically unaffordable for the shops/bars/restaurants..... need i go on.  there are a couple of very good restaurants right at the far end which are still open in the evenings and well worth a visit so do go down there, also many bars and a couple of nice shops are still open.

    it should be pedestrianised i agree!!


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  • i agree with that til they sort there prices out it willbe a problem it has great scope

    Apple

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  • No, its not as bad as everyone makes out. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. All I know is that we enjoy it very much. We just use the facilities and enjoy the view, relax and yes, we do eat and drink out in the VILLAGE. Like it being quiet, has always been quiet, that's why we go there, of course it'll survive. However, with everyone slagging the place off, it will put people off and they won't visit. Can't people be a bit more positive and speak about the good things at LG?

    Just a bit concerned though what I'm hearing about Tomas ?! and who's his brother?

    Go to be better than Bournemouth!

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  • i agree with you apple, it is the nicest part of tenerife - the best kept secret - we all just know it so well its easy to pick holes!

    Just a bit concerned though what I'm hearing about Tomas ?! and who's his brother?

     

    and also, who are tomas and his brother..... desperate to know...... :o

    wags

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  • the waiter yoyo is his brother girls.

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    Apple

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  • Oh yes, hadn't realised, but now you come to mention it!
    Thanks.