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NikkiGQ

Re: All too quiet ...
« Reply #30 on: August 19, 2007 »
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  • Hello All, Im back up here again after a stint in Las Americas, NEVER again hopefully !!!

    I must admit on my months holiday cover down in LA it did seem extremely busy in the area of Fa'f1abe and Del Duque, but then theres a lot of nice beaches, shopping, bars, entertainment, theres a lot to offer down there !

    Up here we really need to push the natural beauty side of these resorts ! the views, the dolphin trips, the hospitality, the diving, the easy access to mount Teide. BUT We do need a facelift in all these areas, LG. Pto Santiago & Playa de Arena.They all need a bit of TLC, surely thats down to the local council ???


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    Re: All too quiet ...
    « Reply #31 on: August 19, 2007 »
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  • i agree things like the zig zag need repairing.As i say maybe the reopening of the royal sun will bring some money in. :)Ps and playa de laa rena are quite busy i think still lets see what he winter brings

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    Re: All too quiet ...
    « Reply #32 on: August 19, 2007 »
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  • i agree things like the zig zag need repairing.As i say maybe the reopening of the royal sun will bring some money in. :)

    The refurbishing of the Royal Sun for private appartments will not make the slightest difference to the local economy - it will be an opportunity wasted UNLESS of course the private owners rent them out to visitors year-round, which is......... unlikely!

    poolepirate

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    « Reply #33 on: August 19, 2007 »
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  • You have made an interesting point there. Should I rent my apartment out when we are not in residence or should I let it stay in the fine condition in which it is?

    What sort of money should recompense me for the possible damage and wear that renters may inflict no matter how carefully I have vetted them?


    Falstaff

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    « Reply #34 on: August 19, 2007 »
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  • Depending upon your circumstances, if you do not let your property out you may still incur a tax liability with the Spanish tax authorities (Deemed Rental Income). You may wish to take advice about this before you make your decision.

    See ldblquote Deemed Rental Income Taxdblquote .

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    fed up of rain

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    « Reply #35 on: August 20, 2007 »
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    Hi I am a newby on here so dont shoot me down in flames!
    I have to agree with all the folks on here complaining about flights - I rent my apartment very well and look after 3 others for friends, we are very busy for winter months, when I would say the discerning people like a nice winter sun break in a resort that doesnt have all the "kiss me quick" bits. Summer is quieter but I put that down to the fact that people will travel to mainland with cheaper flights and still the chance of some sun, with shorter flight time too.
    I have had booking cancelled for October half term cos the flights were - wait for it 'a3450! When we pop out we expect to pay around 'a3120-150 out of school hols, when we prefer to come any way.
    People making booking enquiries this year are all belly aching about the flights that seem to be anything around the 'a3250 mark, your average family are going to choose a cheap package to Florida or something for not much more arent they?

    Ryan air have put some routes on and I believe Easyjet are thinking about it - perhaps this will shake things up!

    leo_london

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    « Reply #36 on: August 20, 2007 »
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  • I'm a newbie as well, a visitor really. I have read through this thread with interest and must agree with the last post.
    We found an apartment to rent in September, looked great, special rate etc, then could not find a flight..or a reasonably priced flight at a sociable time.
    We have now found a flight in October (the apartment will cost us 'a3180 more ) but are awaiting conformation from the apartment owner regarding dates.
    We are pretty flexible, but I can imagine people who are tied to certain dates would have given up.

    As far as marketing Los Gigantes to encourage more visitors.
    I think Tenerife has to decide which type of visitor it wishes to attract. It must be very difficult to market LG as a up-market resort on a down-market island. The general perception of Tenerife is based on the package deals to Playa de Las Americas. Two cheap weeks in the sun, on the pull and drinking yourself legless. To be fair, I have never been, that description might be totally unfair..but that is the impression many have of the resorts in that area.
    Majorca had the same problem but seems to have successfully " re-branded " itself. Of course its no problem if everyone is happy with the image ( true or false ) and its generating revenue. Sadly, it makes it extremely difficult for the quality resorts like LG to appeal to visitors who would appreciate their beautiful scenary, fine restaurants and bars, excellent hotels and private accommodation.

    Hibisco Lass

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    « Reply #37 on: August 21, 2007 »
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  • Not a bloomin chance - well only once, when my brother went and painted the whole apartment!

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    « Reply #38 on: August 21, 2007 »
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  • i agree Most people think of tenerife as booze land and nightclubs a few people w3e have introduced to LG love it for its peace and quiet>there is a market of discerning traveller who will spend more but they need to be targeted and then have a good choice of restauraunts not just english breakfast and fish and chips :)

    wizard

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    « Reply #39 on: August 21, 2007 »
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  • I have let my one bedroom apartment out using a local LG agent for the last three years with no problems with damage at all. I was advised not to have a sofa bed as it saves over occupancy.
    This seems to have worked well for me as my clients tend to be couples over 50 who tend to come outside the peak school holiday periods.
    Typical flights from Manchester are from 'a3100 return using Jet2 or around 'a3150 using Monarch and even cheaper from Ryanair flying from Liverpool so its not all doom and gloom is it ?

    leo_london

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    « Reply #40 on: August 21, 2007 »
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  • I found return flights at 'a3135, which seems good value.
    Of course, with airport tax etc the final bill was 'a3346 for two tickets. With the apartment rental its going to be 'a31000+..not really a cheap break in the sun any more.
    Still, I'm looking foward to visiting LG and will spread the word when I return.  :)

    poolepirate

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    « Reply #41 on: August 21, 2007 »
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  • Perhaps the value brigade is not what makes Los G a happy place.

    If you want value try Los C or PLA, sorry.

    I do not want to sound snobbish but it is the way it is. You cannot pick and choose your visitors but the quality or lack of it of can make or break a resort. Have you not cringed when the Brits act only they do away from home, they are even more noticable in Los G where they do stand out and thankfully have not become the norm.

    We choose to live in Los G because it is what it is and are very concerned as to what it might become. It is a lot easier to ignore to tennis posers than it is a group of Brits on the booze.

    Hopefully Los G will not be destroyed, its relative inaccesability may help at the end of the day.

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    Re: All too quiet ...
    « Reply #42 on: August 21, 2007 »
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  • i agree poole pirate, but, there is a happy medium!! everyone who comes to los gigs and the surrounding areas usually come back.... but lets not make it a ghost (or over 75's) town.... please.....

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    Re: All too quiet ...
    « Reply #43 on: August 21, 2007 »
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  • i agree have been coming since 1978 seen many changes but it still has a certain something its like marmite you love it or you hate it  ilove it!!!but it must change mainly the harbour it could be a sophisticated marbella but not at the rental prices a few tapas bars and chill out bars to watch the world go past!! :)

    leo_london

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    « Reply #44 on: August 22, 2007 »
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  • Pirate..." Perhaps the value brigade is not what makes Los G a happy place."

    Precisely my point. But if Tenerife ( as a whole ) wants to attract the " money is no object " brigade, it will have to change its image.
    I think Janey and Linda have it about right. Attracting married couples and singles ( young and old ) looking for a little more sophistication, perhaps more emphasis on sporting activities. diving etc ?..that could be the way foward for LG.
    I imagine families with young children would be disappointed. There is little point marketing a resort as family-friendly if it cant compete with other rivals in a similar price bracket.
    However, I think the vast majority of us are " value conscious " these days..there are not enough highly paid footballers and their " wags " to go around.  ;)

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    Re: All too quiet ...
    « Reply #45 on: August 22, 2007 »
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  • So....

    Everyone is pretty much in unison here...

    LG has passed on from being a tourist resort and has become very much a residential area for "Swallows" and a fair few year-round residents.  The bulk of the remaining tourist trade coming from the relative few who rent privately and buy thier own flights here (and the all inclusive hotel - does anybody actually ever see anybody staying there - ther must be since all the lights are on!!)

    Whilst there is some "upmarket" entertainment and some quality restaurants, the bulk still caters for the "value" brigade who may well still come to the island, but not to this end of it.

    The level of what tourism is left is nowhere near enough to sustain the number of restaurants and shops year-round - this is already evident given the number of recent closures.  Those left have increased their prices and perhaps also in some cases dropped their standards in order to simply survive (not helped by landlords either!)

    Those who do travel here specifically (especially families) will have spent a lot more to get here than those who will have come to the island and stay in PDLA etc.

    What do they get when they come? ... Stunning views, weather and location. What else? well...... a mess of a harbour, half the connecting roads collapsed. Peeling paint on a huge collection of  "value" entertainment bars better suited to Margate and far too many "ordinary" restaurants.

    If this was you who had spent at least a third more on flights and accomodation than most holiday-makers you would have to ask whether you would want to return.

    Some above believe that the Royal Sun is the answer.  Whatever one feels about time-share as a concept, it did bring significant numbers of people into the resort - and something like a million Euros a year into the local economy.  As far as I am aware (but stand to be corrected) the decision appears to have been made and its renovation into (yet) more private accomodation will make precious little overall difference to the tourist economy of the village. 

    As leo has suggested, even those with a little more money to spend are still value concious and, in fairness, there isn't that much value for money around here at the moment.

    leo also suggests a re-focussing of LG's marketing as Majorca has done.  Promote the positive side of what we have to offer - and develop those activities which will make LG an interesting option - sport, diving, Dolphins - an excellent suggestion!

    Furthermore, the acceptance that the future direction of the village has already been pretty much set in stone would help (i.e. primarily residential) - and most importantly an open forum where opinions can be expressed as to the future.  If this means upsetting a few along the way then so be it.

    I'll start..... would everyone please get out their paintbrushes - white is a nice colour!

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    Re: All too quiet ...
    « Reply #46 on: August 22, 2007 »
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  • value for money restauraunts can be good look at juan llamas set menu plus ala carte or the plaza tapas what we need is variety and more canarian as for the royal sun though they are supposed to e going on sale wqith the facilities they offer a great tourisyt potential before many people used to stay there and go into town to spend money .the harbour owners need a good kick you could do so much with it.As far as the hotel goes its busy in the winter dont know about this time of year :)

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    « Reply #47 on: August 22, 2007 »
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  • value for money restauraunts can be good look at juan llamas set menu plus ala carte or the plaza tapas what we need is variety and more canarian as for the royal sun though they are supposed to e going on sale wqith the facilities they offer a great tourisyt potential before many people used to stay there and go into town to spend money .the harbour owners need a good kick you could do so much with it.As far as the hotel goes its busy in the winter dont know about this time of year :)

    Linda

    Juan Llamos is in Playa Arena and the Puerto Santiago Plaza Bar is in er....  Puerto Santiago.  This discussion is about Los Gigantes, and with all due respect, whilst close together the areas are very different indeed - there are tourists in Puerto Santiago and Playa Arena.....

    Also, please explain how the Royal Sun will help Los Gigantes.  You've already seen from the previous posts that a lot of owners are reluctant to let them out for fear of the damage caused and the extra maintenance required.  I don't understand how you think it will bring tourists?

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    « Reply #48 on: August 22, 2007 »
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  • we find the peace and quiet the best bit about los gigs it is advertised as suitable for couples of all ages, it also says not suitable for people with walking difficulty's, but you see more people with walking sticks then you see in the outpatients  in any hospital. summer months will always be quiet because the older generation can not stick the heat of the day
     
    And until the locals stop complaining about the noise from bars after midnight you are not going to get any returning younger people coming back. los gigs will have to depend on winter trade only

    As for  price's in bars and restaurants it is no more expensive in lg then in the uk if you go to the same standard places plus drink measures are twice as big


    so its not all doom and gloom is it
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    « Reply #49 on: August 22, 2007 »
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  • yea i know the bars are not in cental lg but the point is if they can provide good food why cant more places in lg.Re royal sun it dependa how they will be sold and i think that a lot of people buying there would look at it as a rental investment who knows you may get a upmarket tour operator involved !If run well with the facilities.
    Maps
    Your comment re older people and hills  i had a very serious car crash two years ago broke my back in 3 places and punctured a lung i never thought i would get back there,thank god i have and every time i go there it is so much better for me
    the hills and the air though i cant walk to far and im not old.re bars and restauraunts as i said before peole will pay for quality not rubbish :)Every so often a resort has a downturn years ago there were bars open later but now you have to many all doing the same

    Hibisco Lass

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    « Reply #50 on: August 22, 2007 »
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  • I'm afraid you're right (Mr or Mrs Blue) my generosity does not extend that far too often, only as a trade off to my brother who decorates the apartment from time to time!  Well worth it!

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  • Linda ...

    Playa Arena and Puerto Santiago have tourists (maybe not as many as they would wish for, but they have some) - that's why their prices are more reasonable.  Its a 5 to 10 Euro taxi ride these days from LG to Playa Arena because of the road closure, or indeed a 20 to 30 minute walk around the coast.  People don't walk that far for dinner - they want to step out and relax nearby.

    I'm not sure when you were last here, but LG is a very different place this year than it was last.  The harbour is a mess and the road collapse has impacted seriously on general trade.

    Unless a tour operator buys the Royal Sun and ships in people (which appears to have been ruled out) the complex will be bought by private people who like H-L above dont want to rent.

    This discussion should be about the future and not what has passed.

    PS (edit) - if GiganSol remains virtually empty as it does, what on earth is going to encourage people to even buy at the old Royal Sun - let alone rent after?
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    « Reply #52 on: August 22, 2007 »
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  • ok   i was out a couple of weeks ago for the wekend and yes the harbour is bad as i said it has potential re the collapsed road do you mean the ps road or the zig zag? I have said that needs  doing up .EVen a private investor could o up royal sun and contract it out to tour operators>the difference betwen gigansol and royal sun is location and facilities if done right .Will be back in few weeks and yes it is the future that counts.As for food i dont mind a drive to somewhere decent and good value it os also nice to have some good restauraunts nearby there are a few good ones in LG :)

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  • Linda

    I am sorry i didn't mean to offend you

    what i meant to say was if you look in any brochure for los gigantes it will tell you about the hills and it is not suitable for the less mobile, and as for the reopening of the royal sun no one in there right mind is going to fork out one hundred and fifty thousand plus in euros for an apartment and then rent it out to just anyone, family and close friends yes joe blogs differently not. and it is new visitors that is needed

    once again please accept my apology maps.
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  • mr max
    you said the sports, diving and dolphin trips need to be promote more, only one sticking point with that is 95% of people who go on these trips are bused in strength on to the boats when they come back strength back on and out of the village without spending one cent, The sightseeing trips don't even come in to the village staying up the lookout point take a few shots jump back on the bus and move off, Even the hotel slap in the middle take there trips down to la for dolphins supporting other business. As i said in a earlier post we like the quiet i just feel sorry for people who make a living from there business who are not getting a fair share of the pot.

    people who was elected to do this need to pull they finger out
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    Re: All too quiet ...
    « Reply #55 on: August 22, 2007 »
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  • maps no worrys i was not offended we need debate on here i agree with you regarding the fact the village needs new blood !! but it has to be of the right quality re royal sun  if i had the money and i havent won the lottery yet i would buy it and do a rental deal the point being people are  afraid to rent ou t because of some people who have no respect but if done  the correct way there is a big market and people will look at it as a good deal .LG has so much to offer but it must decide what it wants i dont believe that its a fish and chips market.It can offer so much more we need decent tapas chill out bars .PS i dont mind the odd english brekkie myself but its beome to english and we need people from all over also the true swallows like local and good value food!!.One thing most people agree on here i hope is we never want it to become a las americas :)ihope :(

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    « Reply #56 on: August 22, 2007 »
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  • i think (to be shot down in flames no doubt.....)....

    1.  los gigantes, pto santiago and playa del arena - to me, one area, you can walk from one to the other easily, quickly and with a lovely back drop of scenery. why split them up?  to me, one and the same, they lead on from one to other and each compliments the other! dont go into competition with each other - no point!!!!!

    2. the marina, los gigs.   can someone give the owners a great big kick up the backside?.... or..... are they running a deliberate plot to get rid of current residents the easy way ie, put the rents up, give them no facilities therefore block all trading, they leave......

    3. the 'area' is far superior to the concrete jungles further south, everyone who visits,  most come back  - why would people not purchase apartments within royal sun and not rent them out?  not all people who rent are lunatics who wreck apartments, in fact most of them are very nice and respectful of other peoples property.  so do buy and rent out, the more the merrier....

    4.  there are some fantastic restaurants in the area, juan carlos, jaun llamos, el timon, i could go on and on. you would not get a bad meal 14 out of 14 days if you read all the info on here, there are fewer grotty places than excellent!

    5. you dont need a car here, its all on the door step - whichever resort of the 3 you stay in!!  and if you need a taxi, no problem and cheap!!

    so, i think we should be spreading the word of this lovely area of natural beauty which is worth twice that of its neighbours further south.... !!  

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    « Reply #57 on: August 22, 2007 »
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  • well said jainey ithink you have summed it up brilliantlly and yes the concrete  jungle has its market and let them stay there.I agree that all three areas are part of the same.Re marina i am worried owners are being to greedy its not marbella.Re royal sun hope i will be able to afford to buy to rent and yes agree not everyone is a wrecker we have been renting for 10 yrs in uk and have done improvements because we respect it.Have also beemn on other side renting out and had some problems,its knowing your market.Re restauraunts yes in lg itself i have reduced my favourites to jessis,el dique,juancarlos, bar santa maria.then out of lg!! juan llamas,salzburg,el meson ,plaza, bar rios,bar dorta,etc very varied as you say  to many never enough time.spread the word but not to the fish and chip las americas crowd :)

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  • thank you linda... maybe we should go for joint mayor!! 8)

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  • im up for it if you are but i wonder how many others would approve!! :)