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sebastian

""the problem is""
« on: July 16, 2007 »
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  • The problem is that since so many of you think my comments are wrong,rude, or just darn right controversial that when i stop entering windups you all dry up like the prunes you are.
    But the problem is that Los Gigantes bars & restaurants are still as exciting as watching paint dry (as they do in the B Bar) (fossils) there is now so many of you grockles that without constructive comments on the poor standards of food/bars in town that all we do is moan and blame them for not acting quick enough. Sorry to say but LG has lost its charm for so many people that soon it will become a "GHOST VILLAGE"
    Regards to you all Sebastian.

    Tolsti

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    « Reply #1 on: July 17, 2007 »
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  • and if you do comment (positive or negative) all you get is '' this establishment does not want to be named'' or similar. Los Gigs has existed  in a time warp for many years and no doubt there are many who wish it to remain so but time and the world march on. The profile and needs of the tourists change and unless you change and adapt as well all is lost. Feedback from residents and visitors is essential to a healthy tourist industry, censorship is not.



    (edited on 19/07/07 to remove words added that were not in the original text)
    « Last Edit: July 19, 2007 by Tolsti »

    billi161

    Re: ""the problem is""
    « Reply #2 on: July 17, 2007 »
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  • i fully agree, a discussion board that is not allowed to name good and bad places like restaurants/bars etc is pointless, within reason what happened to free speech. as long as the comment is constructive and not done out of spite i think it should be allowed, after all we are all entitled to our own opinion

    quondam

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    « Reply #3 on: July 17, 2007 »
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  • My word a sensible comment from Sebastian at last!

    As far as "establishment cannot be mentioned" is concerned I suspect that the decision to comply with the proprietors of such places is based on sheer economics, or brown nosing or both.  The village is so small the owners/administrators of this message board are not about to offend anyone, certainly not customers(advertisers) nor their drinking/social buddies.  A very sad reflection on all the people concerned and of absolutely no help to any of the genuine holiday makers who seek unbiased views.

    As for LG itself, well it still has a certain charm but is now looking very "tired" and I for one, have no objection to it changing to a much more up market tourist venue.  Most establishments, particularly those that are British run are looking tatty, are generally staffed by people who are,  at best, itinerant and at worst, downright unproffessional and rude.  No wonder the discerning hoiday maker (and resident) is going elsewhere.

    Maybe the arrival of a Brit on the local council will make all the difference ................ I doubt it

    billi161

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    « Reply #4 on: July 17, 2007 »
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  • how true your comments are, having travelled the world when you enter a lot of the british owned bars its almost as if they are doing u a favour by serving u. sadly we usually avoid british bars/restaurants preferring the local bars

    Falstaff

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    « Reply #5 on: July 17, 2007 »
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  • As always, I agree with everything Seb has said.

    If a country were to go into terminal decline, there would be no question that its government would be responsible for allowing it to happen and for putting it right. So, if a region or town were to suffer economically due to a decline in its main industry you would automatically look to the democratically elected representatives for a solution, or at least a strategy to achieve a solution.

    I may be doing the local Council a great disservice in saying that they appear to lack any clear vision for Los Gigantes as at tourist resort and I have seen no evidence (apart from the coastal footpath) of any  strategy or measure to deal with the problem. 

    I have never seen any reference to a tourism strategy on this notice board, or in any English language newspaper, or on the Council's Spanish only website. The only thing I have seen is the permitted construction of new and unoccupied investment apartments on scarce land which could be used for badly needed quality hotels and tourism development.

    At the end of the day, the electorate deserves the government it elects. Incidentally, when are the next council elections in Santiago del Teide?

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    Re: ""the problem is""
    « Reply #6 on: July 17, 2007 »
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  • i do wonder what the plans for lg are is there any thing being planned to repair the zig zag that used to be a good walk :)

    gibbo

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    « Reply #7 on: July 17, 2007 »
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  • all of the apts are privatly owned therefore when people are looking in holiday brochures for tenerife, los gigs hardly gets a mention.  I agree it needs more of a holiday buzz to the place, bring in some tourism, but it seems like you cant please everyone.  there has been comments on here about music after 12pm, when people come on their hols they want to stay up late and enjoy being outside.  Puerto santigo is abit more lively in aug as the spanish take their holidays hear and you get more people around which is good.  Everyone hates a ghost town.... 

    northernboy

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    « Reply #8 on: July 18, 2007 »
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  • Sebastian, you are correct on what you say, but i have to ak the question is it just Los Gigantes or the Canary Islands which is suffering from a decline in tourisim, before anyone says that we are only interested in LG, i understand that but you do have to look at the global picture of all the Islands.

    My own belief is that the decline started when the euro came in and it as been mentioned several times ont his site about inflated prices, bad service, etc, but no one wants to do anything about it, it is my honest opinion that LG is living on its past reputation which it bulit up many years ago and living i cuckoo land if it thinks that times will change and the good times come back.

    I for one like to see an honest and constructive debate on this topic because like Sebastian says LG will become a ghost village and the only people visiting then will be the likes of us all who come this site the people who love LG and keep coming back or those who have come to reside here.

    Also Quondam, the statement you made about the arrival of a Brit on the local council not making a differnce, is to me just a stupid thing to say, or maybe just jealousy on your part, how can one councillor
    put everything right.

    NIDGE

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    « Reply #9 on: July 18, 2007 »
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  • Tourism is definately a problem in Tenerife as a whole. Its not just Los Gigantes that is quiet. In fact over the last few months, bars in Las Americas have been quieter that here.

    If you look back over the past 5 years, places like Buena Vista, Royal Sun and Diamond Apts have closed. These places have an occupancy of well over 1,000 people. If only 20% of these came out at night, then that would be another 200 people around the village.

    The Los Gigantes Hotel turned into a GOLD Hotel, now full of Coffin Dodgers, who rarely come out onto the streets.

    The Landing Fees at the Airport are one of the highest in Europe and make travel to Tenerife not as cheap as it should be. EasyJet are chomping at the bit to fly down here, but unless the Government does something about the costs, they probably won'b4t.

    The Government has to realise that the FIRST priority is to get people onto the Island and then make the money out of them when they are here. The more people that are here, the more money they spend, the more taxes the Government get !

    Its not only bars, restaurants ans shops that are suffering. Its suppliers, taxi drivers and industry in general.

    Tenerife is without doubt a tourist Island and if tourism dries up, then so does the ecomony.

    The Government should cut Airport costs and get the cheap Airlines to come here. With all year round sun, there is no reason for tourists not to come if the prices is right.

    Ban All Inclusive Hotels, make all Hotels Family Hotels, not Retirement Homes, and kick some asses to get Hotels that are closed, re opened !


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    Re: ""the problem is""
    « Reply #10 on: July 18, 2007 »
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  • i agree with you regarding the accomadation in the village the problem also is that you need the people with money to spend the potential with the harbour etc could turn lg into an exclusive area but we need more spanish restauraunts and comfortable bars  :)

    billi161

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    « Reply #11 on: July 19, 2007 »
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  • i fully agree with linda, peoples habits are changing, more people are now looking for local food not indian/chines/fish and chips and a sunday lunch. like me people dont mind paying a little extra for quality and good service

    tonycrewe

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    « Reply #12 on: July 21, 2007 »
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  • I agree with most of the posts on this topic, but regardless of the destination, how many people who have returned time and time again to their favourite destination have found that it has got better? Not many I think.

    RoyL

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    « Reply #13 on: July 21, 2007 »
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  • Well, where to start? Having just spent another 2 weeks in and around LG it has become obvious that LG is sat on top of a fence - Tourism on one side and residential on the other but at the moment leaning definitely to the residential side. Many of the residents originally bought into LG because of its vibrancy. Unfortunately as they have aged they have found that living in a holiday village has its downside regarding all year round noise etc. Rather than move to somewhere quieter it has been easier for them to complain to the council to close down the entertainment. This even applies to one local bar owner who instructed his staff to shut just as people were starting to drift in, beccause he wanted to go to his bed above the premises. (Shame on you, M). Unless there is some kind of policy change, LG has had its day as a holiday resort. Its much livelier around in Playa de La Arena now. What I cannot understand is why there is so much new building work going on, where do the builders expect to get the people from to buy into these places when there are so many premises unoccupied and up for sale or rent at the present anyway?

    northernboy

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    « Reply #14 on: July 22, 2007 »
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  • Hi RoyL hope you enjoyed your two weeks m8 like you said LG is on the way to becoming a residential place, I totally agree with what you about its vibrancy in the past, i am sure we all remember the days of the piano bar, the green corner with entertainment on the terrace etc. Yes there as to be a policy change or the consequences will be dire for lot of businesses in the area, I have jus had a look at few places between LG and Playa La Arena and there are vacancies galore in August.
     
    Holiday makers are not coming to Tenerife in the numbers that they used to do, but the question that needs asking, is why?

    Flight Prices
    Bar Prices
    Restaurant Prices
    Value for money

    I have spoke to a lot of people who always came to Tenerrife year in year out, who have stopped coming because there are in there opinions better places to go and get better value for money holidays, they all say and which no can disagree with, is, the price of flights does not help, also these people do not like the way which LG and surrounding areas is changing, there words not mine, they say, THERE IS MORE LIFE IN THE CEMETERY .

    Like you RoyL you see all the building work goin on and wonder if they are satisfied with letting the area become just residential.