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RoyL

The Wine Bar
« on: July 14, 2008 »
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  • Had a meal at the whine bar with two other couples last night. Sadly we were all unimpressed, as were several others we spoke to later. Two people opted for the Sunday roast, two for turkey and I had mixed fish/crab/scampi bites with salad and chips. The meals took over an hour to arrive at the table. Meanwhile a chap bearing more than a passing resemblance to my bank manager arrived and began to serenade us with increasingly boring old songs while we were getting more and more wound up waiting for meals. He also invited us to take part in a quiz to select someone to participate in some game or other later - deal or no deal. The meals eventually arrived as we were on the brink of fleeing the place. The two roast beef were pronounced inedible and tough and were replaced by turkey on complaining. Whilst delivering one meal the waitress (nicknamed by a dining partner as speedy gonzalez) managed to knock my knife from the table. She said she would get me a clean one and when she returned was just about to present me with one that looked like it had been removed from another diners plate within the last two minutes! In the event my meal itself was satisfactory. We had another drink and waited for the quiz results....and waited.....and waited. All the time the bank manager singing ever more doleful songs. We were all yawning, and decided the wait wasnt worth it.
    Wine Bar? Sorry, not our cup of tea.

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    Re: The Wine Bar
    « Reply #1 on: July 14, 2008 »
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  • Went there when it first opened as it was something new to try . We were extremely disappointed with the service, we had to send the meals back , and the wine list was very small. Doesn't seem like it's got any better. There are so few people around at the moment you would expect businesses to be really competitive . Not this one it seems.

    scooby

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    « Reply #2 on: July 16, 2008 »
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  • Seems to me that the wine bar is the busiest place in the village! so strange that people go there night after night and have no complaint's, they must be doing something right !!!   

    orange

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    « Reply #3 on: July 16, 2008 »
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  • Best to take a book like some do at the Fisherman's Inn...

    Its a bit of a sweeping statement that people go there night
    after night and have no complaints. There are several here.


    MR MAN

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    « Reply #4 on: July 16, 2008 »
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  • I would just like to respond to Mr l ?s comments about his visit to the winebar on sunday night.When Mr l  sat down to eat on sunday night there was well over 80 people sat on the terrace that evening, unfortunately at this time of year everybody likes to eat a bit later so sometimes there can be a delay as the kitchen copes with the sudden demand.
    Regarding the quality of the food 84 people ate that night in the winebar, 56 pre-booking, now unfortunately Mr l?s tables cuisine was not up to there standards but that is there rightful point of view.
    41 people expressed there rightful point of view by re-booking on sunday 13Th for this sunday 20Th and as of today 51 people are booked for this sunday but again that's there point of view.
    Regarding the act , Jamie O Rourke is a FRANK SINATRA tribute act so Mr l  what kind of songs were you expecting the latest single by coldplay of course the songs are old.
    Regarding the quiz and deal or no deal the quiz is done during Jamie's break and the answers were announced after Jamie finished his set and the winner went on to play deal or no deal, this was all explained several times over the night and when Craig went up to play deal or no deal there was over 40 people left opening the boxes.
    So Mr l we apologise if  the winebar concept is not to your liking and as you say is not your cup of tea, but not everybody likes tea do they but again that's there rightful point point of view.
    P.S Gladys we apologise if you did not enjoy your visit but  again that's your point of view, but you don't last in los gigantes for over 8 years especially with the decline of the village and in today's business climate without being competitive, and by giving the MAJORITY of your clientele a good night out, it just doesn't happen.
    The Winebar employs 6 full time staff and to make this a viable business proposition people have to keep coming through the door on a nightly basis, lots of restaraunts have closed down but the winebar is still going or perhaps we've just had 2920 lucky nights.
    We will not respond to anymore comments from Gladys or Mr l because it's their own personal point of view and they are entitled to that, but if they do want to speak to me personally i am at my restaraunt everynight from 7 pm up until the 22 August and will be only to happy to speak to you about your grievances PLEASE ASK FOR ADAM

    Offline maps

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    Re: The Wine Bar
    « Reply #5 on: July 16, 2008 »
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  • We haven?t been to the new place yet, but the old one we found to be more than satisfactory both in quality of food, service and also in price. And with most of the staff  saying they were moving with the business I assume it?s the same. But I would add that maybe the piano player may be a off putter as most people go to restaurant for a quite meal, drink and a chat.  You didn?t need any gimmicks in the old place to pull in the punters so why the change ?

    See you in September wish the staff well     
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    el marques posse

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    « Reply #6 on: July 16, 2008 »
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  • Was just looking on the website for any food recommendations and saw this roy l ?s comments about the winebar, we were there on the night in question and had a great time and a great meal and we have booked to go again this sunday.
    It just goes to show you can't please everybody all the time, and i thought the way the owner replied to roy l?s comments were constructive and fair .

    RoyL

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    « Reply #7 on: July 17, 2008 »
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  • MR MAN, I note your comments regarding my post. As I said, my meal was perfectly ok, as was those who had turkey rather than roast beef. The entertainment was not to my liking or obviously to the eight or so people who left at the same time as me ( and several more prior to that) As for those who did stay and enjoy, and indeed those who have rebooked - good luck to you. If we all liked exactly the same things life would be a bit dull wouldnt it? As someone else said, you cant please all of the people all of the time. May the Harbour Club/ Wine Bar continue to prosper for those that do like it. ;)

    Russ

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    « Reply #8 on: July 17, 2008 »
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  • Oh dear oh dear oh dear! Whilst i agree with Marques Posse that the Wine Bar has always offered a good evening outl; i was horrified to see the new board advertising the Wine Bar. The approach to Los Gigantes is breathtakingly beautiful as you approach it over the cliff top. The gardens from the top of Avenida Jose Gonzalez to the bottom are always well attended leading visitors and residents alike to imagine a pretty and tranquil village as a result. How sad to see such degrading billboard in red, white and blue positioned at the main junction of Los Gigantes giving directions to a Kids Eat Free club land bar atmosphere. The Wine Bar signage before now has always been inkeeping with the village; i can only hope that this new addition to the Wine Bars already over the top posters and billboards does not put people off visiting what used to be a very pretty village.

    MR MAN

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    « Reply #9 on: July 19, 2008 »
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  • I would just like to thank Russ for complimenting the winebar and it?cuisine, regarding the degrading sign  and Russ's description of the approach to the village i disagree with his travel brochure style conclusion. The reality is as you enter the village on calle Jose Gonzales forte you are greeted by a condemned and derelict building, as you freewheel down into the village you are met by the sign in question, turn right and you will pass approx 7 shops in a 15 metre stretch which have closed over the last 2 years, you then freewheel down to the harbour which is littered with closed rests and shops, badly lit and cracked pavements, unfortunately for all the hardworking bar owners  and shopowners they are on the only harbour in Spain which isn't the focal part of any small village and for the last 5 years have been banging there heads against a brick wall waiting for something to happen.you then accelerate out of the harbour to the triangle and are met by more closed shops and to the right another recently opened rest with its doors shut, make your way in the centre and you are greeted by the last remaining part of the Berlin wall, no one has been to get to the other side from here for over 2 years severely hampering the upper level businesses, carry on past the hotel that doesn't allow children and you will see an estate agent called gigansol which is closed,by the side is an alley take a peek and you will see Sinatra's Olympus gladrags lingerie shop all closed over the last 2 years ,carry on 30 yards and we are back to the sign in question.
    Russ, like yourself many years ago i chose to come and live in los gigantes and even though i live in England for the majority of the year los gigantes still means a lot to me but to say a sign that has been up for 2 days might stop people from coming is bit far fetched, THE REALITY IS THEY ALREADY HAVE, i agree the sign is not the prettiest, but the businesses that are left are fighting to stay open on a week to week basis , ask the taxi drivers how they are doing with no tourists and fuel hikes, at this present moment in time things are tough but we don't want sympathy we just want people to understand and all the local businesses are trying hard to keep there doors open it is imperative this happens for the good of the village as property prices are already in decline  we need to make this village an attractive option for future buyers.
    The sign in question will stay up till the end of the summer holidays and unfortunately Russ in modern day los gigantes it is a SIGN OF THE TIMES.

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    « Reply #10 on: July 19, 2008 »
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  • The sign should stay. It is a garish warning to all who arrive that all they can expect in Los Gigantes are establishments  that are totally unfamiliar with Spain or the Spanish language,  and cater only to the tasteless. Placed at the crossroad, it gives folks the opportunity to head straight out.

    MR MAN

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    « Reply #11 on: July 19, 2008 »
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  • By the tasteless we assume you mean the tourists and residents that don't agree with your personal tastes or is  there some unwritten law that says that you have to eat Spanish food  everyday while on holiday, no Italian pizza, no pasta, no English breakfast, no Chinese, no Indian, no french cuisine, it's everybodys individual preference and they have the right to exercise that in which ever way they choose to do so, by the way have you got a good recipe for carne con papas.

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  •    I suppose I would question the taste of those who are not offended by restaurants that buy their jacket potatoes and Yorkshire puddings precooked in boxes of twelve. Also, I seem to recall that several months ago, The Wine Bar, in its previous incarnation , but I believe under the same ownership, offered fine dining while being entertained by "Mr. Beep Beep and his Dancing Poodles." One could doubt the taste of those attracted by this.
        Regarding the mention of Italian, Indian ,Chinese and French restaurants, I believe you will find that these types of restaurants invariably have menus in Spanish as well as other languages. It is only the English restaurants that seem to know that they can only attract the English. I'm sure that  this because other nationalities must lack the fine taste to appreciate what these establishments  have to offer.

    The PM

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    « Reply #13 on: July 19, 2008 »
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  • What is it about this message board that seems, at times to bring out the worst in people at least Adam has had the decency to reveal who he is and what?s his vested interest, namely his own. I am declaring who I am Paul Marley I am one of the managers of this site, I have no vested interest in Adam?s business, and I don?t, like his sign, it lacks the taste that his bar offers, but I would defend his right to advertise his business in any legal way he sees fit, and at least it is not an ?a frame? cluttering up the pavement. The harbour club have presumably given permission for said sign, and I applaud him for doing something which he feels will increase his trade, instead of just winging about poor tourist numbers and a lack of business therein.

    As for the food issue, well it takes allsorts, and given the size of the kitchens some of our chefs and cooks have to deal with it is not surprising that some are using pre-made/cooked supplies, and what does it matter, the dinners must judge for themselves. Borris and Dorris our independent couple, who have been in the UK, will soon be back and no doubt will give us their verdict. And yes they do need to hide behind an alias so that they can bring you real reviews.

    Some of the digs at people would possibly be better understood if we knew who was writing, it is very simple to be derogatory or dammed right rude when you hide behind an alias. This has bugged me for some time, have some guts and admit who you are, and then you may be taken a lot more seriously.

    My main problem with this string is the negativity, most days we at losgigantes.com spend our time thinking about how to promote this area, in a positive light. The village is not Nirvana but then no where is! The village is beautiful, a fantastic safe haven for tourists and residents alike, the pavements around most of the village have been improved, yes there have been issues in the marina, namely a long running legal battle over who operates the marina. That is now resolved and the marina is being improved and restaurants are being refurbished as I write this, as for the ?Berlin wall? some what of an exaggeration, although it is not pretty, and it must have affected the businesses closest to it, this is a matter for the community of Concanasa and not a council issue.  A village institution the green corner has just been refurbished, as has the tennis club which is under new management,  it is true that the hotel does not want young children, this can be positive, as often families with young children have no money to spend.

    So please lets look at the positive parts of our island paradise, because that?s what it is, let's concentrate on trying to find solutions to the 10% of things that are not right, and celebrate  the 90% which is brilliant, Yes lets talk it up, not down. 

    Oh and by the way, Adam I?ll design you a sign if you like!
     :) ;) :D
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    MR MAN

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    « Reply #14 on: July 20, 2008 »
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  • Dear Mr Cartman regarding your last post the winebar does offer its menu in other languages as on resort we cater for Russians Spanish, Italian and germans who are staying there .The main advertising on the front is in English because that pays the wages. Regarding the food, the only precooked item we serve is a yorkshire pudding which accompanies our sunday roast, this being due to the popularity of the night and lack of oven space in our kitchen, all our vegetables are fresh our chips homemade, every single item is cooked from fresh on the premises it seems Mr Cartman you have made up your mind about  our so called English establishments and you are entitled to have your own opinion, fortunately for all the businesses who are not Spanish in los gigantes your opinion is not the norm and we will go on giving visitors a variation of  food from all over the world
    p.s Thinking of doing a MENU D?EGESTION , 5 courses with a Spanish theme a bit similar to Pancho's followed by ARTHUR and his BREAKDANCING FERRETS can i book you in.
    Mr man will not be replying to anymore comments from Mr Cartman, he has expressed his point of view and he is entitled to it, thankyou for your comments even though we beg to differ but again i will be only to glad to speak to you in person down at the winebar, i am there everynight from 7 pm please wear a rose in your left lapel and be carrying a Daily Telegraph so i can recognise you.
    « Last Edit: July 20, 2008 by MR MAN »

    amunette

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    « Reply #15 on: July 20, 2008 »
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    by the way have you got a good recipe for carne con papas.

    I have, and it is not made like many Brits think - ie like stew LOL

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    « Reply #16 on: July 20, 2008 »
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    Cartman your post contributed nothing useful to this string.  You seem intent on negativity and a slanging match, firing bullets in all directions just to see who you can attack next. If you continue in this manor I will remove you from this forum.
       
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    RoyL

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    « Reply #17 on: July 21, 2008 »
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  • salvadorsalvona - I assure you that my life is in no way sad, quite the opposite in fact. I can only write of how I felt during my visit to the wine bar. OK, so I didnt particularly like it but I DO accept that others do enjoy their visits. As I wrote before, to each his own. Reading back through the posts I note that Jamie is noted as a Frank Sinatra tribute show, I cant recall many of his songs that evening (because I did not know them anyway) apart from "Georgia" , not sure if that was one of Sinatras. A lot of his songs seemed to be old jazz ballads, which quite honestly are not my thing. This in no way was intended as a slur on Mr O'Rourkes talent. May you continue to enjoy your visits  ;)

    amunette

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    « Reply #18 on: July 21, 2008 »
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    we tried tapas and were not impressed! i'm sorry that we are not all as sophisticated as you,but most brits like their food not to fancy

    Glad you had a good holiday :) But to describe tapas as "sophisticated" or "fancy" is bizarre!!! Tapas is just small portions of normal Canarian food. The most sophisticated it gets is octopus as far as I am aware!!! Normally it is tortilla(omelette), chicken, garbanzos(chickpeas in sauce), carne con papas(meat+potatoes), ensaladilla(mashed spuds with veg)........!!!
    « Last Edit: July 21, 2008 by amunette »

    jamierourketen

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    « Reply #19 on: July 23, 2008 »
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  • Had a meal at the whine bar with two other couples last night. Sadly we were all unimpressed, as were several others we spoke to later. Two people opted for the Sunday roast, two for turkey and I had mixed fish/crab/scampi bites with salad and chips. The meals took over an hour to arrive at the table. Meanwhile a chap bearing more than a passing resemblance to my bank manager arrived and began to serenade us with increasingly boring old songs while we were getting more and more wound up waiting for meals. He also invited us to take part in a quiz to select someone to participate in some game or other later - deal or no deal. The meals eventually arrived as we were on the brink of fleeing the place. The two roast beef were pronounced inedible and tough and were replaced by turkey on complaining. Whilst delivering one meal the waitress (nicknamed by a dining partner as speedy gonzalez) managed to knock my knife from the table. She said she would get me a clean one and when she returned was just about to present me with one that looked like it had been removed from another diners plate within the last two minutes! In the event my meal itself was satisfactory. We had another drink and waited for the quiz results....and waited.....and waited. All the time the bank manager singing ever more doleful songs. We were all yawning, and decided the wait wasnt worth it.
    Wine Bar? Sorry, not our cup of tea.
    sorry you didn't like the music i was singing,glad to see that rudeness is alive and well!!!!!!

    amunette

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    « Reply #20 on: July 23, 2008 »
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    not interested in what you have to say,we paid for our holiday and we will eat what we enjoy,i don't care what "tapas" is in anyway shape or form,oh and i looked it up tapas is not canarian it is spanish first and foremost! i like going to hot countries but no one can make me like the food.

    So why bother joining a discussion forum if you have no interest in people replies?!! If you do not care about tapas, why make a point of mentioning it? Very strange and rude attitude you have. As for not being Canarian but Spanish, it may have escaped your notice that the Canaries are part of Spain, so it whilst may not be a regional dish to the Canaries, but it is still enjoyed by many. Same as any food, it starts off as a local dish then spreads.

    I, and I am sure others, have no wish to make you enjoy local food when you travel to a foreign country, eat what you like, just describe what you do mention correctly ::)
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    grockle

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    « Reply #21 on: July 23, 2008 »
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  • Oh dear !  Yet another thread ends up as 'handbags at dawn'. Have we really not got anything better to do than argue with each other ?
    That does seem a shame and a waste of time. Time to move on to something less troublesome ? We'll see  :-\\

    Caroline

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    « Reply #22 on: July 23, 2008 »
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  • I've read this thread with some amusement and horror.  I will be in Los Gigantes in 2 weeks time for my holiday and will definitely be trying out the Wine Bar with my family (no screaming kids, just one well behaved 9 year old, hope that's ok?).  As a (dare I say it) tourist! I have no axe to grind and will report back honestly on my findings.   ;)

    Caroline

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    « Reply #23 on: July 23, 2008 »
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  • Oh and by the way we'll try and pick a night that Jamie is singing a tribute to Old Blue Eyes - just lurve Frank Sinatra songs.

    MR MAN

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    « Reply #24 on: July 24, 2008 »
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  • VERY IMPORTANT NEWSFLASH
    Harold one of Arthur's break dancing ferrets has pulled a muscle in his tail attempting a new move last night, unfortunately he has been told to rest for up to 4 weeks, i will keep you notified of his progress everybody at the winebar wishes him a speedy recovery and  hopes he doesn't descend into that dark lonely blacked out space he went to last time, Harold you are in our thoughts
    P.S Great show last night Jamie, people dancing on the terrace by the end of the evening, 1-0 to the majority.

    grockle

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    « Reply #25 on: July 24, 2008 »
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  • That 'dark, lonely, blacked out space' - would that be Los Gigantes ??? Poor ferret doesn't deserve that.

    jane harris

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    « Reply #26 on: July 24, 2008 »
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  • My husband Daughter and myself visited the wine bar on our recent holiday ,the food was superb as were the staff ,so much so we went back on a number of occasions.Jamie's singing was wonderful, what a fantastic few nights we had there, we will be there again next year without fail. eating that lovely home made food and drinking the vino.Last but not least Mr Man is the perfect host and gentleman.So folks any of you going to los gigantes this summer for your hols you must sample the food in the wine bar along with the hospitality you will not be disappointed. 8)

    wayneinspain

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    « Reply #27 on: July 24, 2008 »
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  • I wonder if its more than a coincidence that this particle eatery is getting so much exposure, now that the competition up the road is open  ? tipsy ?   

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    « Reply #28 on: July 24, 2008 »
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  • Adam   

     when you moved what happened to the parrot form the bar, did he go with you or is he still in the sports centre
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    MR MAN

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    « Reply #29 on: July 24, 2008 »
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  • Wayneinspain the winebar welcomes competition and we wish tipsy?s terrace all the best , but the reason this thread has been going on for a long time is  when you have your own restaraunt and have been established for over 8 years you are fiercely protective of it, and are also clearly confident in what you do, so in my mind when the minority attack it's concept , YOU MUST REPLY, and from my reply this thread has had different comments which is the whole idea of a message board. As you say is this exposure all a coincidence well you'll have to see when tipsys opened or any other restaraunt and if that date coincides with  Roy L's post well we can safely say that yes it was a coincidence. I hope this answers your question.
                                                                                                                            
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