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jambo

Old Dogs New Tricks at El Marques
« on: October 04, 2008 »
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  • Just back from another fine fortnight at El Marques/Puerto Santiago with great weather/great friends. Old Dogs New Tricks play each Monday night at El Marques and get the place going with their terrific repertoire. They bring in good custom and bar takings must be much improved on these nights given the fare provided at the moment. I am led to believe they have been asked to take a cut in pay for their Monday show which they are not best pleased about. Given that they bring in the biggest audiences, this in my opinion is potentially wreckless, as to lose their appearances could be costly to the owning community in loss of income. If you have the opportunity to visit El Marques on a Monday night when they are playing, be sure you will have a wonderful night. You can also see them at Route 66 other nights. This is not free advertising for them although Bob comes from Arbroath in Scotland and I am happy to plug a Scotsman. Gill does a wonderful version of Amy McDonald's songs &c. which I prompted her to try. Check them out, they are the business!

    Apple

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    « Reply #1 on: October 05, 2008 »
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  • I totally agree with you! We have had some really memorable nights at 'Route 66' when 'Old Dogs' have been playing. The place is always packed out, young and old, and it is such a great atmosphere. The street outside is buzzing when they're on! El Marques need to be careful as if they lose 'Old Dogs' they will definitely regret it. Jill has the personality to really pull in the crowds and they both make a very important part of our holiday. Loads of people I know agree with this. Scottish Bob or not, I think 'Old Dogs' deserve all the plugs they can get, not that they need them!

    olddogsnewtricks

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    « Reply #2 on: October 10, 2008 »
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  • olddogsnewtricks would like to use this forum to thank all the friends that they have made at El Marques over the last 4 years for the support that they have been given over their decision to leave El Marques on a Monday night. It was not a decision which we took lightly bearing in mind the current economic climate and lack of entertainment venues. However to be told yet again that they don?t make money or make more money on other nights was just once too often. As your other contributors have stated we regularly pack the place with anything between 80 and 150 people. Many come from outside the complex and therefore contribute additional takings to the bar (when they can get served). To be told that takings on other nights when there are between 10 and 30 people are greater is just an insult to our intelligence.
     
    Once again thanks for all your support over the years and in the last 10 days.
    Bob & Jill
    « Last Edit: October 10, 2008 by Dolly Diver »

    june mcloud

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    « Reply #3 on: October 10, 2008 »
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  • Bob and Jill are far too good for the places like El marques. We seen them on the los gigantes square a few weeks ago, they were really really good, and deserve better  than a  time share resort full of  old people.

    jambo

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    « Reply #4 on: October 10, 2008 »
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  • "deserve better  than a  time share resort full of  old people"

    Thanks June for managing to insult a lot of people. I don't know what your definition of "old" is but I am fairly confident a lot of people (including myself) who enjoy ODNT at El Marques are actually younger than Bob and Jill. I don't think your post is at all helpful or relevant to the thread.

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    « Reply #5 on: October 10, 2008 »
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  • Bob and Jill are far too good for the places like El marques. We seen them on the los gigantes square a few weeks ago, they were really really good, and deserve better  than a  time share resort full of  old people.


    Another "slagging" post from J Mc for others see this thread

    http://www.losgigantes.com/board/index.php?topic=1219.0

    Old Timeshare people

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    « Reply #6 on: October 11, 2008 »
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  • Another pearl of wisdom by June (Head in the clouds) Mcloud!!!!!!
     What do you bring to the table when you speak?????????
    1. Accused the ex owner of the s.centre of murdering his parrot which was a lie.
    2.Called for all stray animals to be dropped off at tipsy terraces car park because they raised money for a charity that's not in L.G. ( seems like a good idea from a self proclaimed animal lover)
    3. Insults myself and all other timeshare owners at El marques.
    Mrs Mcloud don't you realise all the timeshare resorts in the area bring in much needed revenue at a time when its quiet ask the taxi drivers and bar owners and re staraunts if there happy taking OLD peoples money!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     When you watched ODNT in the square did you pay to see them or was it for free.
    You obviously think were lower class because were timeshare owners well let me tell you last Christmas we didn't go home on the cheap flights at Christmas, we took all our family to Australia ( 14 members) and had Xmas lunch on bondi beach . We are timeshare owners because we like to go to different parts of the world and El Marques is one of them.
    I thought you might be having stuffed parrot this Xmas followed by border patrol to stop any strays from crossing the border i can safely say you are hitting the sangria a bit early or you are just very loco.

    grockle

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    « Reply #7 on: October 11, 2008 »
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  • We appear to have strayed off subject again and descended into personal bickering, albeit started by a throwaway comment about some of the visitors to the area. What a shame.

    I saw ODNT years ago at Las Rosas and was suitably impressed so good luck to them for keeping going and it does make sense for them to appear where it is worthwhile to them and where they are appreciated.

    Let's try and be happy for a change ? There are a lot worse places to be in the world !

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    « Reply #8 on: October 11, 2008 »
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  • you are so right grockle! 

    blue

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  • You obviously think were lower class because were timeshare owners well let me tell you last Christmas we didn't go home on the cheap flights at Christmas, we took all our family to Australia ( 14 members) and had Xmas lunch on bondi beach .


    Well that makes me feel a whole lot better Old Timeshare People.

    a1mel

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    « Reply #10 on: October 11, 2008 »
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  • Another good venue bites the dust.We have been going to El Marques since Old Dogs New Tricks made there first appearance there.Most Monday nights over a six month stay we eat out locally and then go on to Marques to watch Bob and Jill do there stuff to a mixed crowd young and old.Most of the time the place is absolutely heaving to the point sometimes no seats are available.What a shame the management cannot see the wood for the trees.If they were to employ a couple of enthusiastic waiters to keep the customers topped up with drinks they might make a lot more money so they could afford top class entertainment.I myself have queued at the bar for up to 20 minutes to get a drink.
    What a super show ODNT put on in the square the other week.I thought I was at Wembley !!!!!
    All the best and good luck for the future.

    Mel and Bet (18 Till we die)

    olddogsnewtricks

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    « Reply #11 on: October 13, 2008 »
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  •  olddogs newtricks - Bob & Jill (we can exclude our drummer Graham from this as he didn't perform at El Marques) would like to acknowledge the comments made by several of your contributors. We played at El Marques for 4 years to very varied age groups and hopefully tailored our music to suit both young and old. Some of the so called "old fogies" could certainly show some of their younger counterparts how to enjoy themselves. The point of this thread is that El Marques in their wisdom decided to cut our fee (and all the other acts)by ?30 per week which we found unacceptable bearing in mind the comments from other contributors "Mondays were by far the busiest night and it was often difficult to find a seat or get served. It took 2 years of asking to get a 3rd member of staff on a Monday. Mondays they charged ?2 per person extra for the set meal which hasn't changed in all the time we were there so most people went out to eat and then came back for the show. In saying that we did have 89 people dining one night and many others where people were told it would take up to 1 1/2 hours to get served. Guess what they did. Yet they say they did not make money. As performers you see what is going on and many nights we said that if only the waiting staff actually served the tables they could easily double the takings. Most nights it was so busy that the staff asked us to finish 15 minutes early to allow them to clear up. Anyone leaving their table after 11.40 pm to dance would find their unfinished drinks gone and the cushions from their chairs gone on their return - hardly customer friendly. El marques is a potential goldmine but needs to be managed. There is no management. Other acts booked through agencies (additional fee) refused to take the cut and were still booked. Why? The committee of El Marques, the owners and the time share clients deserve better. I hope that they get the answers that they are looking for.

    freddy

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    « Reply #12 on: October 13, 2008 »
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  • Bob and Jill i think your old enough to take it on the chin and for god sake move on. What  do you both want, El marquess to come on here and tell you that your the best and lets double your money ???
    I'm sure you will find somewhere else for a Monday night even with more money, so dry your tears and lets move on

    olddogsnewtricks

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    « Reply #13 on: October 13, 2008 »
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  • Thanks for that Freddy - very constructive. We have indeed moved upwards and onwards but feel that we owe to the many friends we have made at El Marques over the years to let them know the facts!!
    « Last Edit: October 13, 2008 by Dolly Diver »

    freddy

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    « Reply #14 on: October 13, 2008 »
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  • Come on, they are on holiday ;D
    I don't think they really want to know all the facts, just let them know where you are playing on a Monday night, its as simple as that :o :o. Not bringing down and bad mouthing a nice resort, because your toy has fell out your pram :P

    olddogsnewtricks

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    « Reply #15 on: October 13, 2008 »
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  •  ::)Obviously English is not your strong point.  ;D ;D How do you know what they want to know? There has been many questions asked in the house and we are just giving some of the answers. You are right it is an absolutely fine resort with lots of nice owners and guests. Have fun, life is too short.

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    « Reply #16 on: October 13, 2008 »
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  • Observation....

    As an owners resort, presumably the entertainment that is provided and the costs for it are overseen by the Members Committee?




    jambo

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    « Reply #17 on: October 13, 2008 »
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  • To my knowledge the Bar Manager (Jose Gil) has responsibility for entertainment (I may be wrong) and is a really nice and efficient guy. I can't comment on the budget though. The AGM will be held on Sun. 30th Nov. at the Village Hotel, Coventry at 10.30. I hope some of the committee might read this and take on board the views of owners and visitors alike. By the way I'm not trying to hide behind a handle (Jambo) as I never expected to have to be involved in such controversy. I only hope a satisfactory outcome can be achieved for the benefit all.

    Regards
    Iain Geddes

    Sue T.

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    « Reply #18 on: October 13, 2008 »
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  • Having recently returned from yet another fantastic holiday in Puerto Santiago my husband and I were also very disappointed to hear of Old Dogs New Tricks departure from El Marques.   :( :(

    As owners at El Marques for the last 15 years its been a pleasure to have Bob and Jill entertain us in their regular Monday night slot.  None of the other acts at El Marques are anywhere near the high standard of ODNT.  Rest assured when we visit again in January we won't be paying for a meal at El Marques on a Monday night to watch a mediocre cabaret act.

    All the best Bob and Jill - fear not we will track you down in January.

    Sue & Gordon
    (Forever Young)

    Shania

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    « Reply #19 on: October 14, 2008 »
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  • Hi all
    Not sure what the controversy is all about, there are dozens of good karaoke style acts on the island. Gill is ODNT saving grace, but if you want real music you have got to find ?It?s Immaterial? a five piece rock band, real music, no backing tracks. Gill is a fantastic entertainer, no question, I really love her voice and professionalism, but for me real music is where it?s at.

    love S

    Apple

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    « Reply #20 on: October 14, 2008 »
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  • Best of luck, Jill and Bob. Clearly you are EXTREMELY popular!!! I know you have a huge  and loyal following. The best act I know.

    Thank you for letting us know what happened at El Marques, good to get the real story and hear all the facts. Totally misinterpreted by 'Freddy'!

    Looking forward to seeing you both at New Year. (Frances and Alan) X

    olddogsnewtricks

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    « Reply #21 on: October 14, 2008 »
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  • Hi Shania, whoever you are, thanks for your observations re ODNT. ODNT were a real live 5 piece band in th UK but of course were only part time as there were not enough venues who could support a 5 piece band. We all had good well paid jobs and played in the band for fun. You seem to have an obsession about "Its Immaterial"?and "Live" music. Let me point out one or two important factors.
    1. Rock bands have been using backing tracks since the 60?s. It is the only way they can reproduce their studio sounds.
    2. How many venues are there in Tenerife that can support a 5 piece band. We already have a drummer who plays with us 2 nights a week and have a bass player should we be able to find venues.
    3. Using a backing track doesn?t make you a "Karaoke" act. However having a book with your lyrics on stage does.
    4. How many gigs a month do "It?s Immaterial" get?
    5. Can they make a living out of what they earn?
    6. How many people go to see them?
    We would LOVE to be a 5 piece band but we need to eat. Good luck to "It?s Immaterial" because they are all mates. Stop stuffing this real live band crap down everybodies throats. Let the boys and THEIR MUSIC do the talking. We are here to make a living and supply what the market can support.

    amunette

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    « Reply #22 on: October 14, 2008 »
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  • Well, I love live music, and am a veteran of many a concert and festival!!! But as ODNT said, a backing track is sometimes necessary. For me the important thing is the sound. I would rather listen to an excellent set with a backing track than an excruciatingly bad one where all are "live"!! (PLEASE NOTE I am talking generally, not slating "Its's Immaterial" who by all accounts are sh*t hot!!)
    « Last Edit: October 14, 2008 by amunette »

    Shania

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    « Reply #23 on: October 14, 2008 »
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  • Hi all
    I didn?t expect quite this reaction but I must take ODNT up on two points, I like you can remember the demise of ?live? music in the UK and the musicians? union campaign to keep music live. Second how many philharmonic orchestras do you see without the dots (music), non is the simple answer. better to get it right from the book than wrong from memory, especially if you don?t have a backing track to hide behind. It?s true if you have played for years, or play night after night the same sets you mostly don?t need such things, but each to their own. ODNT are a really good cabaret act who entertain their audience well and have a good following.  I enjoy your music, but please stop bashing ?It?s Immaterial? they are the only real band I have seen in 10 years of coming here. As I have said what does it for me is a live band playing original material as well as doing covers, Sadly though ODNT I am sure you are right that there are very few venues that can handle them, and I am sure, you can?t make a living from it.

    spook

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    « Reply #24 on: October 14, 2008 »
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  • Let's get this all in perspective guys. We are all trying to entertain - no matter who we play with and how we play. A lot of effort and practice goes into the acts the punters see in the area. This effort is rewarded through audiences who come to visit us time and time again. The debate over live music versus backing tracks is getting stale now so lets move on. The whole music scene is changing in the area and solo artists and bands alike are having to up the ante if they are going to get work. I feel sure that they are all doing just that - so give them support not criticism please. After all the original gripe was started over a bottle of Dorada I've no doubt as so many hurtfull comments do here. To all the artists out there I would say - keep it tight guys and enjoy what you do, the majority are on our side.

    hidefatfurandskin

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    « Reply #25 on: October 17, 2008 »
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  • Just found out about the El Marques business - seems a shame that a good rock duo will not be playing there. I know from experience that when they appear at El Marques the audience doubles even to the extent of non residents preventing the "old fogies" in timeshare from getting a seat.

    As an aside in what appears to be a long running argument, it seems that the "natural born " Los Gigantes residents who came from Britain in search of sunshine and money making enterprises seem to begrudge holidaymakers including boring old timeshare owners from enjoying all that Los Gigantes has to offer. Without these people to pay out their small pittances and pensions to the restaurants and shops etc, people who have adopted residency and businesses in LG would have little or no income for a large part of the year. I only wish I could afford to be an ex-pat or winter Canary.

    A good band like Old Dogs and New Tricks willingly and thoroughly entertain every time you see them (unless Bob has a "Man Cold" - sorry Bob!) and are reliant on people coming to see them. I only hope that El M come to their senses and all returns to how it has been.

    On another aside I cannot believe how many people are so pretentious that they "know" better about music because some is live, uses dots (no Jazz musicians do!), karaoke is good etc. Surely the most important thing is that if entertainment entertains  it is in relative terms "good" and if it doesn't then it gets the opposite reaction.

    Here's to Bob and Jill and anyone else who is good and successful even Baz Knight who entertains in his own inimitable way.

    BL

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    « Reply #26 on: October 17, 2008 »
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  • Sadly there are a few LGs - residents, swallows and even regular visitors, who think they own the village. They can be rude to visitors.... the 'we live here' brigade....can be quite offensive to visitors. You can see them in action in local shops/restaurants. We depend on the swallows and visitors....especially in bars and restaurants since the swallows and visitors spend the money...a lot of the residents eat in and watch the 'soaps'. They also come on this forum and do little to encourage people to come to the area.

    LaCochinillo

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    « Reply #27 on: October 18, 2008 »
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  • Like a lot of things, entertainment boils down to finance, and some venues treat musical acts like food, and believe they can cut costs and boost profits by using cheaper ingredients.

    It may look as good initially, but in the end, its getting the punters back night after night which is what counts, and the finances will show that after a while.

    Music more than anything else is a personal thing, and for myself, I?d sooner listen to a good group like ODNT (with or without backing tracks) rather than some of the other acts in the area.

    Pagie

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    « Reply #28 on: October 19, 2008 »
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  • After reading through all these comments, I have to comment that after returning from LG today that ODNT where fantastic.  We spent many an enjoyable night at Route 66 and it was packed to the rafters every night they where performing, with people dancing in the streets as they could not get seats within the bar area.  This is definately a loss for El Marques and will be another bars gain...

    Keep rocking ODNT, you do what every bar needs to survive, put bums on seats wherever you perform and fully entertain the audience once they are seated. It is not your job to then serve the drinks, it totally amazes me how bars do not realise that good efficient service would enhance their takings enourmously.

    See you in December...

    Happy

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    « Reply #29 on: October 19, 2008 »
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  • I have stayed at El marques and seen ODNT numerous times and each have their problems.  El marques seems to have become the old age pensioners retirement home, where all they have to do is check, check, check if people have the right towel, making too much noise etc etc. I am an old age pensioner but took my grandchildren to stay and it was so hard and stressful trying to keep them quiet in the pool and escape from the tut tut tutting from the older people around the pool.  

    Bob and Jill are good (great even) but I've been there some nights when Bob has been on one and even told Jill to F off on the stage, just because she happened to move the speaker in the wrong direction.  Not what I call professional at all!!!  Jill's professionalism was outstounding because I am sure if my husband or even working partner had spoken to me like that off or on stage I don't think I could have just smiled and got on with it.

    After reading everyone's comments  I basically think that both parties have got too big for their boots.  B & J if you think you are above the rest then proove it and go and do it, go and get the big venue's.  Yes us little people will miss you, but at least we will be able to say we were there when you began, but until that time we'll still be here to listen to you and enjoy you.

    El marques try to be more relaxed, people are on holiday, whether you live there or not.  Open the doors and let outsiders in, make it more welcoming and the money will flow through the doors.  Its a nice place, with good food but the atmosphere is crap!!

    Mrs Happy
    xxxxxxx